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[ComedicSociopathy]

Don't know about everyone else, but I find the options to either redeem (and possibly let go scot free) or do whatever it takes to stop him (which I assume means killing him) to be mostly unsatisfactory and I hope that there exists an a third option to drag him front of the exalted council, or any international Thedas council, and give him the closest thing Thedas has to be actually trial for his crimes. 

 

It's unlikely to happen since the guy can turn people into stone and is absurdly powerful and dangerous, and every other final villain in Dragon Age has been solely judged by PC (Loghain being an exception), but something about having him directly judged by representatives of all the people he likely plans to destroy just feels more just.

 

Anyone else agree? Or do you just hope that there's more then two options for the Inquisitor or new PC to deal with Solas? Just having two is pretty lame to me. 

[vbibbi]

I fear that any imprisonment/depowerment options would just be an excuse to allow Solas to escape and plan his revenge. Bioware tends to favor binary choices, unless the third option is the "correct" option that we have to jump through hoops to achieve.

[medusa_hair]

Yes, the all-powerful thing seems to put a damper on that plan. Unless he's like Superman and you can find his kryptonite. :-)

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

You might very well be able to "depower" Solas at some point. Separate him from that essence of Flemythal he took in or something.

 

I like this idea as an option. I'd like it if the trial had the possible outcome of finding him either guilty (thus getting death or tranquility) or.... Well, "innocent" isn't the right term, I suppose, but a lighter sentencing than death/tranquility. All depending on if you succeeded in "redeeming" him and he actually decided to stop on his own before he did much/any further damage.

 

He'd still have the whole conclave explosion thing to atone for, of course. I don't think its right he get off for that scott-free, even if Cory technically did it. Solas still enabled. But I think there are also mitigating circumstances on his end, plus possible remorse if you've redeemed him, that should be able to result in a better outcome from a trial than Death.

 

But if the Evanuris break free or some other fit hits the shan as a result of DA4 events (which is Solas' track record, lets face it), then he could pay his debt to society by helping take them on.

 

Regardless, a trial would certainly be an interesting way to recount his crimes and the events of the two games.

[ModernAcademic]

Don't know about everyone else, but I find the options to either redeem (and possibly let go scot free) or do whatever it takes to stop him (which I assume means killing him) to be mostly unsatisfactory and I hope that there exists an a third option to drag him front of the exalted council, or any international Thedas council, and give him the closest thing Thedas has to be actually trial for his crimes. 

 

It's unlikely to happen since the guy can turn people into stone and is absurdly powerful and dangerous, and every other final villain in Dragon Age has been solely judged by PC (Loghain being an exception), but something about having him directly judged by representatives of all the people he likely plans to destroy just feels more just.

 

Anyone else agree? Or do you just hope that there's more then two options for the Inquisitor or new PC to deal with Solas? Just having two is pretty lame to me. 

 

 

I fear that any imprisonment/depowerment options would just be an excuse to allow Solas to escape and plan his revenge. Bioware tends to favor binary choices, unless the third option is the "correct" option that we have to jump through hoops to achieve.

 

Totally agree. Maybe putting him on trial could be done in an interesting manner. What if Mythal's conscience begins to bother him after his plan to tear down the Veil starts to go horribly wrong?

 

Unforeseen consequences cause unnecessary pain, suffering, death and destruction to the Elven people, even more so if they were left alone in the first place. Such consequences could be caused by the Evanuris being set free by the Veil coming down and using the Blight as a weapon of mass destruction in an attempt to hold back the power they yielded in the age of Arlathan. 

 

The Elves would then point at Solas when searching for a culprit. He created the Veil and destroyed their empire and their immortality. Then he destroyed what was left of the People's legacy by freeing their ancestors' slavers. They would judge his actions and find him guilty. Torn apart by grief and remorse, Solas would feel the weight of his punishment in the only form he never wanted: the utter destruction of the Elven people and his complete inability to stop the Evanuris even after months of anticipated planning.

 

After all, his plans do tend to go wrong in ways he never expects them to...

[Reznore57]

I'm not seeing this happening , you'd need Thedas as a community to acknowledge the existance of the Evanuris.

The "community" is mostly humans influenced by the Chantry , so on top of the eeriness of judging a thousand of years old God , people would have to deal with the history of the world , no veil super immortal being with super magical power .

 

In Trespasser , Teagan and co learns there was a traitor among the Inquisition but they don't understand the full story , Teagan just says "This Solas....blablabla.", so yeah.

 

Besides storywise it's not exactly good , it's like try to picture judging Flemeth as the Inquisitor , and just how ridiculous it would be.

 

The best for Solas is to keep on operating on some kind of "high fantasy " plot , I can picture him being judged by Mythal though.

[Ashagar]

And how would anyone put Solas on Trial unless it was in absenta given how powerful he is. 

 

The only people who would have the know how to deal with dreamers which is what I gather Solas is would be the Tevinter and I am not sure they could restrain someone who is apparently as powerful as Solas.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

If this were to happen, Abelas and the other former Guardians of Mythal would be a great option to both contain and judge Solas. Of course that would mean a new PC jumping through hoops to ally with them.

 

That would also work with going to Tevinter. ALL Elvenhan had magic, so all of Mythal's former guardians have magic and, if the orb was a focus for ancient elves and, it's true that the anchor was familiar magic to them, they know what Solas is capable of and, how to counter all of it.

 

So assume Inquisitor is gone, retired, whatever, you have a new PC allied with Abelas and crew who all know the truth of the veil and of the fall of the elven empire. so one with restoration for the elves in a way that allows other races to remain as well.

[Nefla]

I want to get his elven followers to turn on him and condemn him.

[Dai Grepher]

The trial would just result in the death penalty anyway, so I don't see the point. It would just be a way of forcing a "kill Solas" outcome, but with justification.

 

And if you ruled anything less, people would just want to kill you as well.

[Ghost Gal]

Don't know about everyone else, but I find the options to either redeem (and possibly let go scot free) or do whatever it takes to stop him (which I assume means killing him) to be mostly unsatisfactory and I hope that there exists an a third option to drag him front of the exalted council, or any international Thedas council, and give him the closest thing Thedas has to be actually trial for his crimes.

 

Then you're just killing him a different way.

 

Do you really think an Andrastian human council will show any mercy to a "heathen" elven god who tried to destroy an Andrastian human world to restore a "pagan" ancient elven one? He'll be universally condemned and executed before you can even pull in a character witness in his defense.

 

I mean, really. They declared war on the entire Dales due to what they jumped to assume was an elven attack on a single Andrastian human village (which turns out not to have been true), used it as an excuse to take back the Dales and force elves into impoverished alienages so they could have an abundance of "slave-in-all-but-name" elven labor, and continue to use it as an excuse to exploit and subjugate impoverished elven citizens to this day over seven hundred years later. 

 

Solas has no hope in a human trial. You might as well kill him yourself, because under an Exalted Council he'll be found guilty and executed before week's end.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Then you're just killing him a different way.

 

Do you really think an Andrastian human council will show any mercy to a "heathen" elven god who tried to destroy an Andrastian human world to restore a "pagan" ancient elven one? He'll be universally condemned and executed before you can even pull in a character witness in his defense.

 

I mean, really. They declared war on the entire Dales due to what they jumped to assume was an elven attack on a single Andrastian human village (which turns out not to have been true), used it as an excuse to take back the Dales and force elves into impoverished alienages so they could have an abundance of "slave-in-all-but-name" elven labor, and continue to use it as an excuse to exploit and subjugate impoverished elven citizens to this day over seven hundred years later. 

 

Solas has no hope in a human trial. You might as well kill him yourself, because under an Exalted Council he'll be found guilty and executed before week's end.

 

I did say that could it be an international council, which I'd much prefer, including; dwarves, qunari and elves. Also, while an exalted council probably won't look kindly to Solas, I think the same would be said about the dwarves, qunari and most elves since his plan is kind of horrible and directly effects all of them. 

 

Also, the Chantry didn't declare an Exalted March on the Dales until the elves after had captured Montsimmard and were about to capture Val Royeaux, the seat of Chantry power. Of course, that doesn't justify the utter destruction of the Dales or the alienages, but it's not as if the Chantry didn't have cause to declare war on them. 

[berelinde]

A trial determines guilt or innocence and sets the penalty if it winds up being the former. Solas has already pleaded guilty, so what would the point be in holding a trial? It isn't as if he's going to change his plea. If the sole point of the trial is to determine a penalty, you can do that without a trial.

[ComedicSociopathy]

A trial determines guilt or innocence and sets the penalty if it winds up being the former. Solas has already pleaded guilty, so what would the point be in holding a trial? It isn't as if he's going to change his plea. If the sole point of the trial is to determine a penalty, you can do that without a trial.

 

True, but I'd imagine that the powers that be in Thedas would want a say in what penalty he gets. And besides, there's sort of a conflict of interest with the Inquisitor being the one to pass sentence since they could be his best friend or lover. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I disagree , as you said it would be unrealistic to drag person with power like Solas before court, even killing him probably will require deus ex machina like with was with reapers.

[rapscallioness]

I think Mythal may pop up some kind of way. Some kind of shard/fragment/flotsam re coagulating way...to either help us out, or do her thing and we just get collateral help. Or she could point us in the direction of his personal weakness.

 

Either way, I don;t really get the whole Redeem you thing. The Inquisitor says something along the lines of how s/he will prove or show that the world is worthy, or good enough or something?

 

Hold on I gotta google:

 

Okay, Quizzy tells Solas that he does not need to destroy this world. I'll prove it to you. In the high approval friend dialogue.

 

I don't understand this. First off, we don;t have to prove anything to this guy. He's not God. Thedas does not have to prove itself worthy to him. It gives it this weird morality spin as if Thedas is some miserable sinner begging for mercy and forgiveness. It's weird. This guy is telling you he's going to hurt you and/or those you care for, and this option comes across like you think he has the right.

 

And really it makes no sense. What exactly are we proving? I mean, in terms that are important to Solas. We're going to prove that, uh, we can have spirits walking among us? That we're not tranquil? We aren't so, yeah. Solas wants the ancient elvhen back, and how they were before. How does that connect with anything that we could possibly do even if we wanted to prove something.

 

That option, and the way it's phrased, makes me feel like we're the ones on trial here. Thedas is on trial.  And that's bs. What, for the Evanuris? The ancient elvhen? The Forgotten/Forbidden ones? 'Eff em. They were complete azzs. They were not enlightened. If anything I'd say they were spiritually remedial. They pretty much molested Thedas with no care for it whatsoever. They acted like Thedas was their b!tche. And yet the current people of Thedas are supposed to be ones that have to prove they deserve to exist?

 

No. I don;t think so. This is madness.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I disagree , as you said it would be unrealistic to drag person with power like Solas before court, even killing him probably will require deus ex machina like with was with reapers.

 

Oh, definitely, but the idea is something I wish I could see play out. Courtroom dramas are sort of a favorite genre of mine. 

[Dai Grepher]

Even if Solas has been subdued or even tranquilized, I don't see any of Thedas' leaders gathering before a dangerous mage like him...

 

...unless of course it's the Hero of Ferelden.

 

It's the same reason we don't see Celene/Gaspard or Alistair/Anora in Trespasser. Last time people gathered for a meeting with the Divine, they got blown up, and it was in part because of Solas. So they aren't going to risk going anywhere near him unless they absolutely have to.

 

And if you're just looking to convict Solas of his many crimes, then simply reading them off as the reasons you're executing him will suffice.

[Dai Grepher]

Oh, definitely, but the idea is something I wish I could see play out. Courtroom dramas are sort of a favorite genre of mine. 

 

I think for your wish to come true, Solas' plan will need to utterly fail and the evanuris will need to return, along with Mythal.

 

She would then hold Solas in judgment, and knowing him, he will want to just lay down and die for failing the people again and again. Then the (ex)Inquisitor would step in to be Solas' defense. The evanuris would be the prosecution, and Mythal the judge.

[Tidus]

Solas should die for his crimes since he's to dangerious to remain free or imprison.  That's the fun of RPGs killing the baddies.

 

I have played few RPGs where I wanted to kill somebody the first time I laid eyes on them. Solas is one of those few characters.

[vbibbi]

Oh, definitely, but the idea is something I wish I could see play out. Courtroom dramas are sort of a favorite genre of mine. 

It would be hilarious to call on DAI's companions as character witnesses. Imagine Sera or Vivienne testifying as to Solas' character.

[ComedicSociopathy]

It would be hilarious to call on DAI's companions as character witnesses. Imagine Sera or Vivienne testifying as to Solas' character.

 

Pretty sure Cole would be the only willing to testify on the poor guy's behalf. Varric and Blackwall too, maybe. 

[vbibbi]

It could be interesting if it turns out that just as Solas is about to lower the Veil, the Enuvaris free themselves (since nothing Solas does ever works) and we are forced to keep him alive in order to help fight against them. Maybe we depower him or he spends all of his power lowering the Veil, similar to how he's weak after waking up before DAI, so he's no longer a threat but his knowledge can be the deciding factor in defeating the Enuvaris.

[Dai Grepher]

Finding reasons to spare him would be difficult, seeing as how some worldstates could have him doing nothing at all the whole game. The minimum of what he contributed was stopping his own mark from killing you because he needed you to stop Corypheus, and he showed you Skyhold, when really almost any castle would have worked.

[Wulfram]

Its not like it'd be a fair trial. All its likely to do is stir up anti-elven sentiments.