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[ThomasBlaine]

We supposedly have a krogan as one of our core team members on a human-centric mission in Andromeda, taking place way down the line from the original trilogy. Sabotaging the cure obviously isn't for everyone, but I personally find that it fits the narrative of ME3 awesomely. Do you think this means that the genophage problem eventually takes care of itself? One of the leaks mentions a "krogan colony ship", which doesn't sound like something the krogan would be up for in the state I left them in last.

[straykat]

I assumed this voyage is underway before the genophage cure/sabotage even happens. While the Milky Way remains with it's own conclusion you came up with.

 

It could be something else. Who knows.

[ThomasBlaine]

I assumed this voyage is underway before the genophage cure/sabotage even happens.

 

Is that implied? That we're on some kind of mass-migration that came underway before the reaper war? The krogan weren't fit to colonize anything before the end of the third game though, and that's only if you cure the genophage.

[SentinelMacDeath]

I'd still like to know the outcome of the cure. I wanna know if I effed up by curing it 

[straykat]

Is that implied? That we're on some kind of mass-migration that came underway before the reaper war? The krogan weren't fit to colonize anything before the end of the third game though, and that's only if you cure the genophage.

 

Not necessarily implied, no. I'm just assuming they took my choices a little seriously.

 

Like I said, I could be wrong.

[Arcian]

Not curing the genophage doesn't mean the krogan will instantly go extinct. Likewise with the quarians and the geth.

 

There's also this "We're not going to talk about the trilogy"-thing BioWare has been pushing for a while now, so the choices might not be discussed at all. Which would be very interesting considering how much weight BioWare has placed on the notion of respecting player's choices in the ending. Respect the ending but not the rest of the game? Super MAC's work, no doubt. The man does not care about the fanbase at all.

[Killroy]

Why do so many people think the Genophage is a plague wiping out the Krogans? The games tell us over and over that the Genophage is designed to maintain a healthy population by reducing Krogan fertility and birthrates.

[SentinelMacDeath]

With the Reaper War going on + Genophage + all the conflicts the Krogan are tied up in + their infighting I figured that the chances are slim to none for them to recover if the Genophage isn't cured. The Genophage has been around for over 1000 years so clearly it didn't wipe them out but times have changed

[ThomasBlaine]

Why do so many people think the Genophage is a plague wiping out the Krogans? The games tell us over and over that the Genophage is designed to maintain a healthy population by reducing Krogan fertility and birthrates.

 

Yes, and it also tells us that in practice the krogan are perpetually disorganized, tend to leave their homeworld and refuse to think about the future of their species because of it. In at least one ending they apparently go outright extinct, and Wrex insists that they're dying in the long term. At no point in the trilogy except on the condition that you cure the genophage does the idea of krogan colonization even come up as a semi-viable concept.

[Cyonan]

We know so little about anything that's officially confirmed for ME:A that nobody can answer how BioWare is going to handle the genophage cure choice from ME3.

 

My guess is that we'll leave for Andromeda before the events of ME3 and that we'll cure the Genophage ourselves during the trip. It's not exactly a very difficult thing to cure, it's more that nobody really wanted to try before the trilogy. A cure for it existed before Mass Effect 3.

[Cheviot]

Why do so many people think the Genophage is a plague wiping out the Krogans? The games tell us over and over that the Genophage is designed to maintain a healthy population by reducing Krogan fertility and birthrates.

I think it's because if Shepard doesn't cure the Genophage and allows the Noveria Rachni to survive, and then chooses a certain ending, the Rachni overrun Tuchunka after the war, presumably in revenge.

 

Also, we've only seen at most 2 Krogan, and they might be the one guy.

[SneakyDuc]

Krogan were naturally overcoming the Genophage, which is why Mordin worked with the STG to maintain the 1000:1 ratio. There where several scientists working to cure the Genophage and some where getting close to the cure. Also when the promise of a cure was involved the Krogan could focus and cooperate to a degree. The prospect of a cure as well as a fresh start in Andromeda could certainly attract many Krogan. While Wrex said that many Krogen left their homeworld and never looked back. Taking these things into account a Krogan effort to leave the Milkyway isn't insane.

[Applepie_Svk]

Is that implied? That we're on some kind of mass-migration that came underway before the reaper war? The krogan weren't fit to colonize anything before the end of the third game though, and that's only if you cure the genophage.

 

It´s more of a logical conclusion that at some point we´ve created an arc and left the space, because the outcome of any of choices given to Shepard are so widely different that it breaks the whole point or even existence of having arc leaving the Milky Way. First off, three colors given by Catalyst are rather ensuring in a way future within the Milky Way, while refuse kills this premise. Secondly, it´s matter of fleet points of which at some point it may ends up by mass extinction or heavy damage that cause the no point of leaving, but rather rebuilding civilisation. Thirdly, BioWare do not want to adress the ending of ME3, so they are rather going to bypass it...

[spinachdiaper]

Bioware's prerogative in story telling is more important than player choices now a days, but that really isn't that bad a thing since ME3 essentially nuked the ME universe one way or another.

[straykat]

I think it's because if Shepard doesn't cure the Genophage and allows the Noveria Rachni to survive, and then chooses a certain ending, the Rachni overrun Tuchunka after the war, presumably in revenge.

 

Also, we've only seen at most 2 Krogan, and they might be the one guy.

 

And without the rachni, the slide of Tuchanka kind of just looks like it was before. With some lone krogan miserably huddled somewhere in a duststorm.

 

 

Personally, I always liked the vision of the male Shaman of ME2. And of Grunt. He actually believed they needed to keep destroying themselves. lol. And Grunt was supposed to represent a new form of badass who would endure it. That this was the only way the Krogan would really learn.

[Deathjester929]

Not curing the genophage doesn't mean the krogan will instantly go extinct. Likewise with the quarians and the geth.

 

There's also this "We're not going to talk about the trilogy"-thing BioWare has been pushing for a while now, so the choices might not be discussed at all. Which would be very interesting considering how much weight BioWare has placed on the notion of respecting player's choices in the ending. Respect the ending but not the rest of the game? Super MAC's work, no doubt. The man does not care about the fanbase at all.

 

Can you really blame them here? What other choice did they have?

 

No it is never going to make much sense, but prequels were something people didn't want (they polled people) and it is impossible to continue from that third act in ME3, without putting space and time between it and the new game.

 

Do I wish Mac Walters had the integrity and the honesty to say, "yeah I screwed up, I should have done better, I am going to try to make this the best ME game ever"? Sure I do. I do not even know if ascension/synthesis was something Casey Hudson REQUIRED from the ending. It might be. We have ascension hints throughout the trilogy and even the capital ship is named DESTINY ASCENSION. Maybe Hudson wanted to make sure (in his mind) that this series was unable to continue and he was being petty and this was his baby and with that ending? Yeah where do you go from that. SERIES DONE. When Supermac opens his mouth and claims ME 3's ending was loved by many and that the people who didn't like it are a minority? Welp, yeah he is just delusional or being dishonest.

 

I think at this point it is obvious we are never getting ME 3 endings changes. Whatever. We already modded them. If Mac screws up this game to? Yeah he should be gone. If this game pushes synthesis with robotics all over again like the third game did HARDCORE, we know Casey Hudson was not to blame for ME 3.

 

The decision to distance this game from the original though? Smartest move he has made so far. Will it ever be perfect, or make perfect sense, or give weight to the firs trilogy? Nope. 

 

There was really nothing else they could do though.

[straykat]

We have ascension hints throughout the trilogy and even the capital ship is named DESTINY ASCENSION.

 

Good thing it went down in flames for me. I set a precedent.
 

OTOH, I did care about human ascension (Grissom).

[Deathjester929]

Good thing it went down in flames for me. I set a precedent.
 

OTOH, I did care about human ascension (Grissom).

 

Yeah basically my entire problem with the third act. robot synthesis ascension (and what we saw from their hybrids) was flawed. We already had Lazarus. Shep was already raised from the freakin dead.

 

Shep would have said "hey dumb Starkid, you are wrong, I already made peace, your ascension does not = peace unless you are saying we will be a hive mind, in which case I kill myself and everyone anyways and all individuals die. We may ascend one day but we will do it on our own terms, not with you aholes and I have no reason to believe this synthesis will be any different than the collectors, since you have provided no proof it will be."

 

They still would have had an ascension type ending, they could have had Shep waking up near Miranda and his/her LI like the start of ME 2 (Lazarus) after you thought he/she was dead.

 

We will never know why that ending was so bad and idiotic. Like I said it could be as simple as Hudson saying I do not want this series to continue without me, it is my baby, blow it up. Or it could be Walters is a horrible writer, they had 2 years instead of the usual 3 and Hudson was like F it, that is good enough we have no time.

 

All we know is that those two were in that room writing an ending that made other great writing in the game by Dombrow and Weekes pointless and this should be an example for all game studios until the end of time. 

 

PEER REVIEW IS A GOOD THING. Locking everyone out of a 120 hour games final chapter (estimate) which included many great writers is lunacy. 

[wright1978]

Why do so many people think the Genophage is a plague wiping out the Krogans? The games tell us over and over that the Genophage is designed to maintain a healthy population by reducing Krogan fertility and birthrates.

 

Unfortunately ME3 tries to go with a simplistic sterility plague message, rather than the more nuanced approach of ME2.

[theflyingzamboni]

Not curing the genophage doesn't mean the krogan will instantly go extinct. Likewise with the quarians and the geth.

 

There's also this "We're not going to talk about the trilogy"-thing BioWare has been pushing for a while now, so the choices might not be discussed at all. Which would be very interesting considering how much weight BioWare has placed on the notion of respecting player's choices in the ending. Respect the ending but not the rest of the game? Super MAC's work, no doubt. The man does not care about the fanbase at all.

I'm sure respect for all the choices is implied. They've said before that they consider everything that happens in ME3 part of the ending. It's like a sequence of denouements for various plot arcs built up over the series. In a situation where the decisions in the last game can branch widely, the only way to respect a player's decision is to leave it alone and let them headcanon the rest. Disrespect would only be invalidating, which is not the same as a lack of validation. If it doesn't talk about events beyond vague terms then it can't contradict post-game headcanon, and no one (should) get angry.

[Fade9wayz]

Having one Krogan along does not mean they are striving in Andromeda. Something tells me they will actually be struggling like the rest of us.

 

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the first thing they did when the Reaper war started was to hide away their fertile individuals, not let them fight. Actually fertile females were already in hiding, forming their own Krant somewhere unspecified on Tuchanka even before the trilogy started. The Krogans would want as many of them on the Ark if, as we suspect, it is launched before the Genophage mission. Add a few fertile males and a sperm bank to ensure diversity and the species has a chance to survive in Andromeda. They do live long enough to have quite the impressive brood, when fertile. Just the idea of the child care support necessary makes me shudder...

[Catastrophy]

Tank breeding is always a good option when undertaking a "long-range" mission with undetermined duration and limited "living" gene pool.

[Guanxii]

Krogan live for 1-2k years so genophage sabotage would take over a thousand years to have any noticeable impact on demographics. If the Krogan can't get hold of a cure in that time then they deserve to return to the dust from which their ancestors came.

Even if the Krogan became extinct one day some mad scientist somewhere would eventually find a way to mass produce them for warmongering purposes.

In any event the Krogan will rise again and if you wrong them you are in trouble my friend because if there's one thing Krogan do well it's hold grudges.

[GoldenGail3]

Krogan live for 1-2k years so genophage sabotage would take over a thousand years to have any noticeable impact on demographics. If the Krogan can't get hold of a cure in that time then they deserve to return to the dust from which their ancestors came.
Even if the Krogan became extinct one day some mad scientist somewhere would eventually find a way to mass produce them for warmongering purposes.
In any event the Krogan will rise again and if you wrong them you are in trouble my friend because if there's one thing Krogan do well it's hold grudges.

The Qunari of the ME world...

[Guanxii]

The Qunari of the ME world...

In my view Krogan adaptation to genophage is inevitable. Sabotaging the genophage cure guarantees reprisal and de rails any
hope of peaceful coexistence after the war.