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Please, share what they can do to make our choices as Shepard consequential in Andromeda that they can't in the Milky Way. I genuinely want to hear them.


They can leave them the hell alone. The trilogy is a self-contained story and Andromeda is clearly respecting that.
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They can leave them the hell alone. The trilogy is a self-contained story and Andromeda is clearly respecting that.

Leaving them alone is the epitome of being inconsequential because they would have absolutely zero consequences in the new setting. You said "Changing the setting allows for consequential things to occur" earlier, but now you are saying the exact opposite. Which is it?


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If andromeda is not set in the future,it could be before events, but javik the prophean he used time travel didnt he?

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Changing the setting allows for consequential things to occur. Blurring every choice and action from the trilogy into one worldstate is better than that? Making every decision you made throughout the trilogy inconsequential is better than a new setting?

A new setting makes every decision you made throughout the trilogy inconsequential anway, so the question really comes down to whether you want to play the next Mass Effect or an entirely new IP.

They can leave them the hell alone. The trilogy is a self-contained story and Andromeda is clearly respecting that.

The only thing Andromeda respects is the ego of the guy who wrote ME3's endings.
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As i see it, it isnt really an ending but more a step in the path to find the end as andromeda comes closer it proves that its not the end,the creators wont allow it.
The creators control the reapers right,
The creators will be in control of the new enemy it may be the creators in a different form.

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If andromeda is not set in the future,it could be before events, but javik the prophean he used time travel didnt he?

No, Javik didn't use time travel. He was put in stasis for 50,000 years until Shepard wakes him up. 

 

As i see it, it isnt really an ending but more a step in the path to find the end as andromeda comes closer it proves that its not the end,the creators wont allow it.
The creators control the reapers right,
The creators will be in control of the new enemy it may be the creators in a different form.

The creators of the Catalyst don't control him or the Reapers. They were the Catalyst's first victims.



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Leaving them alone is the epitome of being inconsequential because they would have absolutely zero consequences in the new setting.


A new setting makes every decision you made throughout the trilogy inconsequential anway, so the question really comes down to whether you want to play the next Mass Effect or an entirely new IP.


That's nonsensical. Your argument means the decisions of the trilogy are already inconsequential since a sequel hasn't come along to expand on them.
The trilogy is a self-contained story that needs no validation from future games. Why can't the story just be the story?

You said "Changing the setting allows for consequential things to occur" earlier, but now you are saying the exact opposite. Which is it?


I haven't changed anything I said. The new setting allows for more freedom and consequence by leaving behind the baggage of the trilogy and it's tainted setting.

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Really i thought he was on the brink of his culture race being exsterminated so he got in a time capsual

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Really i thought he was on the brink of his culture race being exsterminated so he got in a time capsual

A time capsule isn't time travel, since it doesn't skip any time to get to the past or the future. It just endures the time between when it is sealed and when it is opened, not traveling through time anymore than you are right now. 



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W,Haha,the catalist was a prothean weapon that they never made in time because the reapers were wiping them out,so javik and the plans drawings went in to the time capsual,
If i went in to a capsual right now and was woken up later thats classed as time travel isnt it.

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W,Haha,the catalist was a prothean weapon that they never made in time because the reapers were wiping them out,so javik and the plans drawings went in to the time capsual,
If i went in to a capsual right now and was woken up later thats classed as time travel isnt it.

You're thinking of the Crucible, not the Catalyst. The Crucible was the superweapon the Protheans tried to complete by looking at schematics from the previous cycle(an unknown number of cycles have tried to use the Crucible) to defeat the Reapers. They failed because they needed the Catalyst, which is the Intelligence that the Leviathans created and who created the Reapers and lives in the Citadel(thus why the Protheans thought the Citadel was the Catalyst). 

 

No, it's not. A time capsule is not a time travel device. If you put stuff in a time capsule for 20 years, they have still aged 20 years. They may have been preserved so they are how they were 20 years ago, but they still existed for those 20 years thus did not time travel. Marty in Back To The Future did not drive around for 30 years to get back to the future, but skipped those 30 years thus time traveled. 



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Oh,i thought the citadel was made by the protheans,but then repaired by the keepers after it was attacked,
Anyway it doesnt matter who makes the superweapon and who defeats the reapers the creators will take on new forms there like mother nature it cant be defeated.

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That's nonsensical. Your argument means the decisions of the trilogy are already inconsequential since a sequel hasn't come along to expand on them.

Don't twist my words. The decisions of the trilogy becomes inconsequential because of the new setting. It's no different than setting a new Star Wars movie in a completely different galaxy, removing the Jedi, the Sith, all the cool technology like lightsabers, and all races save for a handful recognizable ones for marketing purposes. What the first 6 movies built up doesn't matter, because the new story is so far removed from the original setting that it's basically not Star Wars anymore.

 

The trilogy is a self-contained story that needs no validation from future games. Why can't the story just be the story?

A self-contained story still has to adhere to the setting of the universe. That's why The Force Awakens features elements from the old Star Wars movies. It doesn't just jump into a completely new story while treating the old one like it never existed the way ME:A is doing.



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What if Jedi and Sith showed up in the new setting? Is it still not-Star Wars?

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Oh,i thought the citadel was made by the protheans,but then repaired by the keepers after it was attacked,
Anyway it doesnt matter who makes the superweapon and who defeats the reapers the creators will take on new forms there like mother nature it cant be defeated.

The galaxy thought so, but in Mass Effect 1 we learn that the Reapers are the ones who made the Citadel and the Mass Relays as part of their plan. 



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What if Jedi and Sith showed up in the new setting? Is it still not-Star Wars?

No, you need continuity, otherwise it'll read like bad fanfiction.


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hmmm why not have a separate game series that is about Time Travel set within both worlds of  Mass Effect & Dragon Age?



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The galaxy thought so, but in Mass Effect 1 we learn that the Reapers are the ones who made the Citadel and the Mass Relays as part of their plan.

But who controls the reapers,the creators and who controls the creators no one!its all there doing have we ever seen a creator? No....
(Assuming direct controle)Here we go again.....they can control create anything or anyone anytime frame.

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But who controls the reapers,the creators and who controls the creators no one!its all there doing have we ever seen a creator? No....

The Catalyst controls the Reapers. He tells us this when we encounter him at the end of Mass Effect 3. 

The Leviathans created the Catalyst, and were betrayed by him and turned into Harbinger. Nobody controls the Catalyst now except himself. 

We meet a surviving Leviathan who is in hiding that tells us the origins of the Intelligence(what they refer to the Catalyst as) and the Reapers. 



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He you mean the holagram of the little boy? That is just an object that the creators have chosen to use to communicate.
The creators can shape shift, time warp,create anything they want the possabilitys are endless,

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He you mean the holagram of the little boy? That is just an object that the creators have chosen to use to communicate.
The creators can shape shift, time warp,create anything they want the possabilitys are endless,

Yes, I mean the hologram child. While true it was the form chosen to use for communicating with Shepard, it was the Catalyst that chose it.

No, they can't. The Leviathans were powerful, but even they couldn't do all of what you are suggesting. The Reapers are even more powerful than the Leviathans, and they also aren't capable of all those feats. Both the games themselves and Bioware say one thing, and that is what I told you. 

 

There are no 'creators' like you are referring to in Mass Effect.



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Yes the creators exsplain this to shepard,the whole big bang thing is the creators the catalist is the creators dont forget the other alians havent seen a creator just like shephard,lol

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I used to think that BW knows it better than to mess with all those 'time-paradox' things... But then I had played DAI. It's not that ugly on the 'Champions..' side, but bad nonetheless. 

 

I really hope that we're not having that crap in ME. I'ts next to impossible to make a serious and solid  sci-fi-something that involves time-travel. Interstellar had tried that, and it even had some sense unlike 'Back to the Future' (great movies, but, hey, a comedy is a comedy). At best we can get something like Bioshock:Infinite with it's plot-loops, but I don't think it's a proper thing to have in MEU. 



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Just give me a good looking lazer beam with a good looking alian,im in! oh with other good looking alians to shoot at.

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ummm ... temporal cold war ... *shudders*.