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[Semyaza82]

Not a fan of time travel generally. Didn't mind it in DAI because it was sort of a glimpse of a dark future (tbh it could have a vision from the Fade and had much the same effect), but using it to undo things? That I wouldn't have liked - too much of a cope out. Would be the same if they did it in ME.

Unless the story you are telling is actually based heavily around the idea of time travel then shoe horning it in to change major plot points just seems a lazy way of retconning. Might as well just go the Dallas route, have Shep suddenly wake up and have it all have been a dream

[UrdnotJuevos2.0]

I hope there is no time travel, but I'm pretty sure there will be eventually where u can go back and revisit the events of the first 3 MEs

It might not be in this game, it could be in another ME in the future. It might not take part in the main game's story, but I can definitely see it as a DLC to get the money from nostalgic fans

They will sell meeting "classic" ME characters. Meet Garrus, Wrex, Liara. And the main event meet and fight along side the legendary Commander Sheppard. I can already hear the epic soundtrack on the background of the trailer

[Chealec]

Considering we're zipping around FTL anyway, by the time you've done a round-trip from Earth to the Citadel and back everyone you knew back home should be dead by the time you returned... or not been born yet, can't remember which way around it goes O_o

 

Wibbley, wobbley, timey wimey stuff.

[DarthSliver]

Well something changed about ME from the time they created it to the time ME3 released. If you watched dev videos about ME, the whole point of the series was to create a universe like Star Wars that Bioware could control, their inspiration was KOTOR1. But something tragic happen and they decided to sink the ship and that is why we get butched up endings that we do. Time Travel could be the only answer to ME going back to the Milky Way, hey if cards are played right maybe Time Travel happen already and thats how our Shepard was able to be alive in the high Power states for picking destroyed. 

 

If they do Time Travel they could literally do it in such a way that is why the endings in the end of ME3 didn't make sense. Like I said ME was going to be Biowares Universe to control but the question is, what made them sink the ship in the end?

[Killroy]

Don't twist my words. The decisions of the trilogy becomes inconsequential because of the new setting.

Again, that's nonsensical. It's like saying the meal you had last night never happened because you ate breakfast this morning.

It's no different than setting a new Star Wars movie in a completely different galaxy, removing the Jedi, the Sith, all the cool technology like lightsabers, and all races save for a handful recognizable ones for marketing purposes. What the first 6 movies built up doesn't matter, because the new story is so far removed from the original setting that it's basically not Star Wars anymore.

Except you're being childishly hyperbolic. The only thing that's changing is the setting.
 

A self-contained story still has to adhere to the setting of the universe. That's why The Force Awakens features elements from the old Star Wars movies. It doesn't just jump into a completely new story while treating the old one like it never existed the way ME:A is doing.

You're just spewing nonsense. Future games don't change the trilogy. If you have problems with the trilogy that's entirely irrelevant.

[The Hierophant]

If it's handled like Star Trek (2009)? Sure.

 

Though i'll be annoyed if Liara (Spock) is the time traveller.

[rocklikeafool]

Time travel is a pretty common sci-fi theme that has never been touched in ME. Do you think discovering some kind of time travel technology in Andromeda and using it to change the events of ME3 (including the endings) so we can go back to Milky Way is a good idea? Or would you rather leave the trilogy as it is and avoid adding time travel to the games?

1) Do leave the trilogy as-is. We don't need reminds of ME1-3 that totally invalidate those games.

 

2) If this was more like an episodic thing (such as a mission/story dungeon), then I'm totally fine with time travel.

[AlanC9]

No, you need continuity, otherwise it'll read like bad fanfiction.

But the Jedi and Sith would establish that continuity.

Look, I get it. You don't like the move. But trying to prove that ME:A won't be Mass Effect isn't ever going to work. History, races, cultures, tech, gameplay... that's all coming back.

[Gramorla]

... yeah. let's just travel 3-4 millians years in the future.. where the milkyway and the andromeda galaxy will crash together unavoidable. we dont need an arc ship to travel to andromeda &~p

[N7M]

Some really did lose a leg to ME3's ending.  In some years to come, may Ishmael be kind. 

 

[Lady Artifice]

No need. As I've explained before, the different world states can be written in a way where most of the galaxy is the same in each state, with the differences just being different icings on it. This goes to the other big decisions as well, not just the endings. Bioware has done it before, so no reason they can't do it again. The only big issue is Refuse, but Bioware can treat that the same way they treated the Shepard dying ending in ME2. 

 

But in at least one of those world states, the galaxy is filled with augmented machine people who look completely different from normal people, which means designing a whole different character look for every single character, even setting aside the different cultural and social norms that would cause. That's a lot more than just icing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But in at least one of those world states, the galaxy is filled with augmented machine people who look completely different from normal people, which means designing a whole different character look for every single character, even setting aside the different cultural and social norms that would cause. That's a lot more than just icing.

Or the glowing green circuits fade in time, thereby leaving everyone looking exactly the same as they would in the other worldstates. 

With what we are shown, the Milky Way races are pretty similar culturally after the Reaper War regardless of what ending was chosen. There are some small differences, but like I said that is icing that can be addressed in a dialogue since Bioware has addressed differences on par with that before.

[Killroy]

Or the glowing green circuits fade in time, thereby leaving everyone looking exactly the same as they would in the other worldstates. 
With what we are shown, the Milky Way races are pretty similar culturally after the Reaper War regardless of what ending was chosen. There are some small differences, but like I said that is icing that can be addressed in a dialogue since Bioware has addressed differences on par with that before.

Every living thing in the galaxy being made technorganic, down to the plants and animals, would result in everything being the same as the other choices as soon as the green glow fades away? That would defeat the entire purpose of choosing Synthesis. You talk about how much changing the setting will ruin the choices you made in the trilogy but you really don't seem to care about the choices in the trilogy at all.

[Gramorla]

I am tired of this diskussion how ME:A must avoid the ME3 Ending... Bioware is still in possession of the "kanon" and how something can't or will influenze in the new game .

There is no way to make every ME Fan happy. Some are still very ... traumatized of the ending... other not (yes such ppl exist). Even if the ME:A game will not mentioned the endings.. it will still happen in the same game univers... it will not go away if it is ignored.

 

For me the thought that ME:A will complet ignor the milky was galaxy and nothing what happen there in ME 1-3 is ever mentioned will probably ruined the game exirence in many ways for me.

 

There are many ways to merge the ending chaos in one thing (ok all exept the refusal ending.. somethimes i thing this 4 ending was just created to troll some ppl).

I have read many improbable SiFi Storylines in  ... for example the Perry Rhodan books or.. the Cultur Novels  from Banks and the last Incal Comics... There is no place for impossibilities in a god SiFi settings.

[Lady Artifice]

Or the glowing green circuits fade in time, thereby leaving everyone looking exactly the same as they would in the other worldstates. 
With what we are shown, the Milky Way races are pretty similar culturally after the Reaper War regardless of what ending was chosen. There are some small differences, but like I said that is icing that can be addressed in a dialogue since Bioware has addressed differences on par with that before.

Okay, which differences between DA world states do you consider to be on par with synthesis vs control vs destroy?

[Kabooooom]

I would only condone time traveling if it was used to either undo Super MAC's cancerous endings or reboot the franchise.

I'm kind of wondering if they wont try to undo the endings somehow anyways, even without time travel.

I could envision many ways this could be done, with all of them involving deus ex machinas and other literary no-no's, but honestly....would anybody care at this point, if it meant returning to the MW in future games AND having Andromeda as an alternate setting? I honestly wouldn't care.

Hell, they could even go the route of "oh noes we woke up the Remnant and they travelled to the MW and undid sythesis/destroyed Shepalyst or whatever we better head back there and help our buddies out".

It would be pretty easy to handwave away the endings, although people would probably ****** about how they did it.

[Toshiro M]

Time traveling is very interesting thing, I would like to see a good game about that, especially made by BioWare. Mass Effect was never about time traveling it was game about facing the consequences and about making tough decisions. Of course In the end we did not receive a full report about what we did to the galaxy. My point is: the time traveling would work with the new IP but not with the Mass Effect.

[DarkLordAngel916]

i all was thought Mass Effect: Andromeda mite be a time travel story..it would make sense why everyone has the older weapons.

[Fortlowe]

But in at least one of those world states, the galaxy is filled with augmented machine people who look completely different from normal people, which means designing a whole different character look for every single character, even setting aside the different cultural and social norms that would cause. That's a lot more than just icing.

Is the machine effect we see really present or is it a visualization present in the cutscene to illustrate the impact of the decision for the benefit of the player? If it is, who says it's permanent? If it's permanent, how likely is it to crossover to the next generation?

[Arcian]

I'm kind of wondering if they wont try to undo the endings somehow anyways, even without time travel.

Without time travel or a straight up retcon storm the likes of which I have often proposed, the IT is really the only option. I'm not particularly fond of the IT, but I'm considerably more fond of it than the actual endings.

[Deebo305]

Time travel is a pretty common sci-fi theme that has never been touched in ME.

Nor should it ever be touched on in Mass Effect, never have I been a fan of time travel in any form of media. May as well call it a reset button

Take DA:I for example, if In Hush Whispers mission was the result of siding with the Templars rather than Mages then it would have made for an incredible moment in the franchise but instead your given a play it safe "what if" scenario because of Alexius time magic thats never touched on again even if you outright ignore Redcliffe. Hes just tossed in garbage bin and replaced with Calpernia

So no time travel. Don't tease darkest timeline, commit to it and make it stick

[AlanC9]

Without time travel or a straight up retcon storm the likes of which I have often proposed, the IT is really the only option. I'm not particularly fond of the IT, but I'm considerably more fond of it than the actual endings.

Don't forget straight-up canonization.The ME story proceeds from the story of one particular Shepard, who may or may not resemble one you actually played. You might like that even less than the other three options, but we'll all have different preference orders.

[Dabrikishaw]

I don't want time travel to exist in Mass Effect because

 

If they were going to retcon NE3 with tine-travel, why go to Andromeda at all?

[Lady Artifice]

Is the machine effect we see really present or is it a visualization present in the cutscene to illustrate the impact of the decision for the benefit of the player? If it is, who says it's permanent? If it's permanent, how likely is it to crossover to the next generation?

 

I've could probably think of more egregious hand waves if I try, but synthesis came with an overwhelming implication of permanence. Husks were the equivalent of space robot rage-zombies, and they came self aware again thanks to synthesis. The promise of that world state is a final, radical solution. If the differences between that world state and the others were to turn out to be superficial, that promise would be broken. 

[AlanC9]

We should orobably distinguish between honest retcons and dishonest retcons. The latter is a lot worse than the former.