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[Gago]

NO, NO, NO... A THOUSAND TIMES NO! 

 

I hate time travel and dimensional traveling bs with passion, also ME isn't that kind of universe. 

[Lady Artifice]

We should orobably distinguish between honest retcons and dishonest retcons. The latter is a lot worse than the former.

 

Good point, but it might be difficult to do. I know there are people who would consider any retcon to be dishonest and insulting to the player. I think there's a range, but a range means that there's also a gray area. 

[Pasquale1234]

Is the machine effect we see really present or is it a visualization present in the cutscene to illustrate the impact of the decision for the benefit of the player? If it is, who says it's permanent? If it's permanent, how likely is it to crossover to the next generation?

It altered their very DNA - so, yeah, it's going to be passed to offspring.

Every plant, every animal, every toaster, presumably every virus and blade of grass is now an organic-synthetic hybrid.

Great news for the makers of omni-gel, as it has now become a very popular dietary supplement.

[DarthSliver]

Well the one reason Time Travel doesn't make sense is because it leaves more questions than answers. Why Time Travel just far enough back to stop the Reapers from winning in Battle for Earth? Why not travel to the ME1 era so we can stop Soveriegn from getting the Geth to worship it? Prepare the galaxy with full proof of what is to happen if they don't listen, showing the council their own demise if they stick their head in the ground and say "This so called Reapers". 

 

We obviously can't stop the cycles from happening because that would wipe our existiences from the face of the galaxy and we wouldn't want to do that. But Time Travel begs the explanations of, Why didn't we go further back and prevent the galaxy from falling into chaos? The writers who do Time Travel need to explain why that point in time was picked over one that could've stopped it all. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Unless the Doctor shows up in the ME franchise I don't want time travel in it. 

[DarthSliver]

Unless the Doctor shows in the ME franchise I don't want time travel in it. 

 

Well if The Doctor was in the same dimesion as ME than the galaxy wouldn't need Shepard lol. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Well if The Doctor was in the same dimesion as ME than the galaxy wouldn't need Shepard lol. 

 

Yeah, the Doctor would told that Starbrat to slag off and then come off some crazy awesome solution to destroy the Reapers and save the Geth and EDI at the same time. 

[Fortlowe]

I've could probably think of more egregious hand waves if I try, but synthesis came with an overwhelming implication of permanence. Husks were the equivalent of space robot rage-zombies, and they came self aware again thanks to synthesis. The promise of that world state is a final, radical solution. If the differences between that world state and the others were to turn out to be superficial, that promise would be broken.

One could argue that the more profound alteration was to machine life than organic. For organic life the machine encoding could sum up to be a symbiotic parasite, akin to intestinal bacteria, that allows for and encourages coexistence and empathy with machines. The machines appear to have been altered far more in that they have taken on organic processes and perspectives. The major implication seeming, from what I gathered at least, is that machines may have been burdened with mortality along with organic life.

[GDICanuck]

Well, it worked for Star Trek...

Mass Effect. Now with MOAR LENS FLARE!

[yolobastien6412]

Well if they go close to the speed of light, doesn't time dilation happen? Maybe something along those lines might be interesting, although not time travel per se

[Belial]

Well if they go close to the speed of light, doesn't time dilation happen? Maybe something along those lines might be interesting, although not time travel per se

True, but we're already traveling at faster-than-light speeds and mass effect technology somehow prevents time dilation so that's out of the question.

[AlanC9]

Time dilation works fine for time travel. If what you want to do is travel forward, that is.

[Master Warder Z_]

Unless the Doctor shows in the ME franchise I don't want time travel in it. 

 

That show is horrible.

[AlanC9]

Well, except for being a gigantic critical and commercial success, yeah.

[Iakus]

Unless the Doctor shows in the ME franchise I don't want time travel in it. 

I would have said Doc Brown 

[Twilight_Princess]

After synthesis became something that could canonically happen in this universe, time travel wouldn't phase me in the least. If its implementation means we get to return to the milky way galaxy in a future game, I say why the heck not. It's not like things could be sillier than they are. They could even do it without affecting the Andromeda games, just as long as the point in time that changes happens after the ark leaves. All that would be required is a change to the crucible, it's basically a giant Lego set.

Maybe all it needs is a special piece to get it to work the way it was originally intended. No RBG endings , the new component would overide all the random bells and whistles that were added by the other races. It could be the ancient race that built the crucible that sends someone back in time (guilt ridden that they bailed on the galaxy and left behind crappy blueprints). Maybe a pathfinder finds time traveling technology in Andromeda. Lol David Tennant could show up with a USB to give to Shepard, whatever, you get the idea   .

[Arcian]

Considering we're zipping around FTL anyway, by the time you've done a round-trip from Earth to the Citadel and back everyone you knew back home should be dead by the time you returned... or not been born yet, can't remember which way around it goes O_o
 
Wibbley, wobbley, timey wimey stuff.

Read the codex, will you?

FTL drives are devices which allow ships to travel at FTL speeds through space. FTL drive cores work by exposing element zero to electric currents, creating mass effect fields. It reduces the mass of an object, such as a starship, to a point where velocities faster than the speed of light are possible. With a mass effect drive, roughly a dozen light-years can be traversed in the course of a day's cruise without bending space-time and causing time dilation.

[Chealec]

 

Read the codex, will you?

 

 

I have done - it says "Space Magic" - but the game wouldn't work without it. Hence the use of the word "should".

[Arcian]

I have done - it says "Space Magic" - but the game wouldn't work without it. Hence the use of the word "should".

Are you suggesting FTL is possible in real life?

[SwobyJ]

Its not that I'm against time travel, but more that I don't enjoy its implementation more often than not, and when done wrong, it either done irreparable damage to a franchise or it becomes this big black mark everyone wishes to ignore (potentially worse than 'ME3 ending' reaction).

But I'm not utterly against it, and I'd see what Bioware has to say/show on it before judging hard.

And 'time travel' can mean more things than a cartoonish time machine.

For the record, I enjoyed most of how DAI did it. Two big reasons to me, personally:
1)It give me the vibe that they're not done with it, but just bringing it in as more of a concept for later use. It may end up being one of the theoretical explanations for the Maker, for example (among other things).
2)It leaves some things open to interpretation. Even with his slyness, Solas can be a reliable codex for Fade lore, and if he suggests that what happened was actually more like a realm of the Fade, I take him seriously on that. If true, we didn't actually 'time travel' in a conventionally considered sense, but instead did something I'd consider more in-world impressive: built a 'world', if only with restricted rules.

There's ways to make 'time travel' fascinating, and I'd prefer that Bioware tries to do that, as opposed to just putting it in purely in order to market "OHH ITS WACKY TIMEY WIMEY!" on the front page of Origin and commercials.

[Tetrabytes101]

Beyond the stars is were its at,

[DarthSliver]

Bioware should finally address the ME3 endings and we wouldn't need Time Travel lol

[Chealec]

Are you suggesting FTL is possible in real life?

 

... good point - OK, I didn't really think that one through ...

[Laughing_Man]

Are you suggesting FTL is possible in real life?

 

Probably not, but then the ME version of FTL is more like the alcubierre drive than real FTL speed, something that may be possible in theory.

[Arcian]

Probably not, but then the ME version of FTL is more like the alcubierre drive than real FTL speed, something that may be possible in theory.

Scratch "maybe", we know it's possible in theory, that's why Alcubierre's paper received so much attention when it was released - the math held up to scrutiny. The problems pertain to the practical aspects of it, the insurmountable energy requirements (which have since gone from the mass energy of the universe times 10 billion to something like the mass energy of the Voyager 1 probe) and the absence of the required exotic matter in nature, without which space warping remains a theoretical concept.

 

And while you're right that ME FTL is sort of like Alcubierre FTL, Alcubierre FTL has the ship remaining stationary while the space around it is moving faster than light. The ship doesn't use fuel (beyond the energy and negative energy required for the FTL drive) and doesn't use its mode of propulsion (chemical rockets, fusion engine, ion drives, etc) to achieve FTL speed.

 

The difference between them is that Mass Effect FTL still uses regular spacecraft fuel and propulsion modes to achieve those speeds, and doesn't warp space. What the Mass Effect FTL drive does it creates a field around the ship inside which matter has considerably lower mass, but not lower energy. Thanks to Einstein's famous equation, a reduction in mass without a proportional reduction in energy means the speed of light has to go up, or the math breaks down.

 

This has the effect of raising the speed of light by many factors inside the field, allowing the spacecraft to achieve local subluminal speeds that would be considered superluminal speeds outside the field. And because it the local speed is only a fraction of the local speed of light, there's no time dilation and infinite energy isn't needed to go faster than 299,792,458 metres per second.