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Making the best rpg ever: what ME should learn from other games


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#101
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It would have made far more sense if abandoning Redcliffe actually resulted in everyone dying, thereby denying the Warden any allies there, which should have been the risk of not helping to defend it. It just so happens that the game doesn't really go far enough with the option to abandon the village.

The forces in the castle are only attacking the village. There's no reason for everyone to die.

Everyone could die if you leave to go to the Circle. That would work.

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The Warden didn't have reason to believe he could even get Eamon's support, assuming even that Eamon was alive (remember, there were treaties for the other factions, but not Eamon). Saving the town wasn't directly relevant to stopping the Blight, and put the Warden in significant danger.

Killing the Warden to save Redcliffe means the Archdemon wins, so saving Redcliffe was moot.

Moreover, if Eamon's a competent ruler, he should see the value in stopping the Archdemon even if Redcliffe has already been destroyed. And if he's not a competent ruler, why do we want his help?

The choice whether to save the Council is the same.

 

Add on top that saving Eamon involves the rough equivalent of finding the Dragon Age Holy Grail. So we're risking ourselves to save a town whose army we need, but whose ruler remains in a deep coma, preventing us from getting those resources in the first place.  



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I would suggest that taking out the enemy fleet while it is isolated from the biggest capital ship every encountered and you have surprise, speed advantage and allies still on the field is always going to be tactically more sound than ignoring the enemy fleet and hoping it doesn't jump you after it's finished off your friends and you've moved into a confined space and turned your engines off. 

That should be left up to Hackett and not Shepard since he/she has no idea what's happening between the Citadel forces and geth.



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Or maybe a set Turian/Krogan/Volus/any other race set protagonist? Maybe that would be regarded as a too big risk to take though.

 

If Bioware ever goes with multiple playable species, maybe they should keep the options limited and have those options be aliens that have very similar builds to humans. Asari and Drell, basically.


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If Bioware ever goes with multiple playable species, maybe they should keep the options limited and have those options be aliens that have very similar builds to humans. Asari and Drell, basically.

I think they could make Turian and Quarian work also, they have some slight differences but are still fairly humanoid, batarians would also work


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That should be left up to Hackett and not Shepard since he/she has no idea what's happening between the Citadel forces and geth.

 

Oh I can agree with that, I was just arguing why either of them should choose to save the Council. 



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Oh I can agree with that, I was just arguing why either of them should choose to save the Council. 

The commander of the destiny had the opportunity to save the council as well.



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Add on top that saving Eamon involves the rough equivalent of finding the Dragon Age Holy Grail. So we're risking ourselves to save a town whose army we need, but whose ruler remains in a deep coma, preventing us from getting those resources in the first place.

I typically got the Urn first. Without the Urn, there's no reason to go to Redcliffe at all.
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That should be left up to Hackett and not Shepard since he/she has no idea what's happening between the Citadel forces and geth.

Since the consequences for failure are so catastrophic, it doesn't make sense to take any unnecessary risks at all.

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If Bioware ever goes with multiple playable species, maybe they should keep the options limited and have those options be aliens that have very similar builds to humans. Asari and Drell, basically.

 

Oh I was just thinking about one species. Let's say they would make a game where you can only play as a Turian. I wonder if that would be very popular.

Problem is that they probably would just humanise them in behaviour anyway, so that it is easier for the player to connect with the his/her character.



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Jeez... just looking at that video link makes me embarrassed to be a gamer. No way I'm hitting play on that.

How about you play the game or watch it before you make a silly statement?


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Jeez... just looking at that video link makes me embarrassed to be a gamer. No way I'm hitting play on that.

Haven't had the time to play the Wii U xenoblade chronicles yet but if its anything like the Wii/3ds game there's way more to it than what meets the eye from the trailer thumbnail.



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Oh I was just thinking about one species. Let's say they would make a game where you can only play as a Turian. I wonder if that would be very popular.

Problem is that they probably would just humanise them in behaviour anyway, so that it is easier for the player to connect with the his/her character.

 

If the alien options were kept very limited, say to a single option or two, it would be a lot easier for the devs to create content that made the experience of playing as an alien character distinct from a human player character. The less options, the more room for unique dialogue or quests. 


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#114
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Haven't had the time to play the Wii U xenoblade chronicles yet but if its anything like the Wii/3ds game there's way more to it than what meets the eye from the trailer thumbnail.

It's not as good as Xenoblade, but X is still an extreamly fun open world game, far more fun then that borderland meets minecraft game from Bethesda.



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The Warden didn't have reason to believe he could even get Eamon's support, assuming even that Eamon was alive (remember, there were treaties for the other factions, but not Eamon). Saving the town wasn't directly relevant to stopping the Blight, and put the Warden in significant danger.


IIRC (it's been awhile), it was Alistair who mentioned Eamon and by then the Warden knew of their special relationship. The Warden might believe that Alistair would have some influence with Eamon.
 

Moreover, if Eamon's a competent ruler, he should see the value in stopping the Archdemon even if Redcliffe has already been destroyed. And if he's not a competent ruler, why do we want his help?


The Warden needed Eamon's support, not only militarily, but also politically. Loghain, Howe, etc., were making things pretty difficult for the Warden.

Also note that local militias figured into the armies that marched to Denerim. Helping the Redcliffe militia gave you more troops in the end.

Finally, it seems to me like Bann Teagan should be able to help the Warden even if Eamon doesn't wake up. Helping the Redcliffe militia defend the town should help cement his support.
 

I would suggest that taking out the enemy fleet while it is isolated from the biggest capital ship every encountered and you have surprise, speed advantage and allies still on the field is always going to be tactically more sound than ignoring the enemy fleet and hoping it doesn't jump you after it's finished off your friends and you've moved into a confined space and turned your engines off.


Indeed. Ignoring the other enemies firing on you while you're trying to make your way to the primary target is a recipe for disaster. They needed to thin out the geth fleet anyway, and may as well preserve the flagship in the process.

I feel like Hackett can make a comment about the Destiny Ascension having helped defeat Sovereign at the end of the Arrival DLC - but don't remember exactly.

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Add on top that saving Eamon involves the rough equivalent of finding the Dragon Age Holy Grail. So we're risking ourselves to save a town whose army we need, but whose ruler remains in a deep coma, preventing us from getting those resources in the first place.


Well, the Warden doesn't yet know that he really will need the Urn. It wouldn't be crazy to think that the Arl's sickness and the other magical wackiness are caused by the same thing.
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How about you play the game or watch it before you make a silly statement?


I'm judging the trailer. I'm allowed to do that based on what the trailer looks like, am I not? It's supposed to sell me the game, and it's failing.
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I feel like Hackett can make a comment about the Destiny Ascension having helped defeat Sovereign at the end of the Arrival DLC - but don't remember exactly.

He does even if the ship was destroyed.

 

From what I've seen on video, when the ship is saved, the destiny isn't shown helping the Alliance deal with Sovereign.



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How about you play the game or watch it before you make a silly statement?

 

Cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance are powerful anchors.

 

The game looks fun. Thanks for posting the link, Mr.House.



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Do you actually have any idea what cognitive dissonance is? Or is that a buzz word you're just throwing out because you disagree with Alan? 



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I'm judging the trailer. I'm allowed to do that based on what the trailer looks like, am I not? It's supposed to sell me the game, and it's failing.

And that's just fine.

 

No game should try to please everyone, its a system seller game to fans of jRPG's, but to those not into that kind of culture and media it wont be worth paying attention to whatsoever, when all is said and done the game will probably have moved about ~1 million copies in total.



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Do you actually have any idea what cognitive dissonance is? Or is that a buzz word you're just throwing out because you disagree with Alan? 

 

As usual you miss the point, Sir Knight. The windmill you're looking for is in another castle.



#123
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^Could've just said no. It would have been easier for you. 



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^Could've just said no. It would have been easier for you. 

 

And you could have taken the time to think before posting. Thanks for coming out. 



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And you could have taken the time to think before posting. Thanks for coming out. 

 

Trust me, mate. When you're involved, not much effort is needed to start poking holes.

 

Now go look up the definition of cognitive dissonance before embarrassing yourself further.