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[AlanC9]

Sliders and toggles might be a sore point here. None the less, it is common for those that adamantly choose to remain ignorant about something to blame someone or something else (like the thumbnail) rather then challenge their preconceived notions. It's a cognitive issue. Which, in this case, luckily only pertains to a video game trailer.

Huh? The whole point of a videogame trailer is to sell the game to people who aren't already invested in buying that game. In my case, I didn't have any preconceived notions since I didn't know anything about Xenoblade. I still don't. Though I am considering playing that video just to see if the rest of the look lives down to the thumbnail.

(I actually had to bring up page 3 to make sure I had that title right.)

[Ahglock]

Agree about the cinematics. They mostly exist for dramatic effect.

Disagree about the dialogue clearly demonstrating a superior choice. It's not unusual for Bioware to have squadmates offer different opinions when players are asked to make choices, and this situation was no different.

I may not be remembering it right but I think both the squad mates who spoke agreed that the best chance of success was focusing on sovereign.

[Puddi III]

Huh? The whole point of a videogame trailer is to sell the game to people who aren't already invested in buying that game. In my case, I didn't have any preconceived notions since I didn't know anything about Xenoblade. I still don't. Though I am considering playing that video just to see if the rest of the look lives down to the thumbnail.

(I actually had to bring up page 3 to make sure I had that title right.)

Come on, don't just judge based on the thumbnail of one trailer.

[CronoDragoon]

How I feel about ass-slapping depends on context

 
 Speaking of context, this line is so much better without it.
 

You got me to read up on that backlash. According to the article, there was a character that was 13 not an actual girl and the censoring was in relation to the outfits she could wear. There weren't even any accusations made of any scenes with camera angles lingering upon the characters clothed body like the scenes of Miranda's booty. Any sexualization about the character seems to take place in the mind of the pervert that sees it that way.

Uh...um...I'll leave it to others to decide whether "any sexualization" of this 13 year old "not really a girl probably a robot so perverted outfits on the underaged are ok" takes place only in the mind of a pervert.

 

https://i.ytimg.com/...xresdefault.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.co...lqCWoAASEhG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/H1nKpcV.jpg?1

[Pasquale1234]

I may not be remembering it right but I think both the squad mates who spoke agreed that the best chance of success was focusing on sovereign.

It depends on which squadmates you have along and how you interpret comments like "This is bigger than humanity."

The game does make it all about the player choosing whether to save the Destiny Ascension - though one might reasonably surmise that if the DA is in trouble, the rest of the Citadel fleet probably isn't faring much better.

In any case, all you really have on offer are the opinions of a couple of squadmates who have no more tactical knowledge about what's really going on out there than Shepard does - which is to say pretty much zero.

[Ahglock]

Speaking of context, this line is so much better without it.


Uh...um...I'll leave it to others to decide whether "any sexualization" of this 13 year old "not really a girl probably a robot so perverted outfits on the underaged are ok" takes place only in the mind of a pervert.

https://i.ytimg.com/...xresdefault.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.co...lqCWoAASEhG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H1nKpcV.jpg?1

Your set up screams don't click this link. But I'll say without looking yes outfits alone can be perverted on a 13 year old if extreme enough.

[Chealec]

"No - that's not what I'm saying."
 
It sounds exactly like what you're saying.

Then you've not been listening ...

 

... which is pretty much what this has devolved to - that and you attempting to be patronising; actually, that makes sense now... I can see how you've drawn the conclusions you have.

 

Tell you what, you win.

[Il Divo]

 
 Speaking of context, this line is so much better without it.
 

Uh...um...I'll leave it to others to decide whether "any sexualization" of this 13 year old "not really a girl probably a robot so perverted outfits on the underaged are ok" takes place only in the mind of a pervert.

 

https://i.ytimg.com/...xresdefault.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.co...lqCWoAASEhG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/H1nKpcV.jpg?1

 

Not that this is by itself definitive or anything, but reading a thread on gamefaq now, apparently people are in fact using the "she's a robot" defense. 

[Lebanese Dude]

 

I'm not sure if this is unfortunate or intentional.

 

A win-win tbh.

[Morty Smith]

The game has a transmog feature so you can change the appearance of any piece of armor on your party.

 

So people can decide what the characters look like and can then fuel their freudian fits about their own design choices.

[Il Divo]

^I really need to replay Twilight Princess. I loved that game. Hell, all the 3D Zelda's have been great, imo. 

[Morty Smith]

^I really need to replay Twilight Princess. I loved that game. Hell, all the 3D Zelda's have been great, imo. 

 

HD version coming to Wii-U in march and I'm excited to see what they are doing with the pad.

[Ahglock]

There have been very few Zelda games that weren't great IMO.

[N7M]

 
 

Uh...um...I'll leave it to others to decide whether "any sexualization" of this 13 year old "not really a girl probably a robot so perverted outfits on the underaged are ok" takes place only in the mind of a pervert.

 

https://i.ytimg.com/...xresdefault.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.co...lqCWoAASEhG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/H1nKpcV.jpg?1

 

The wording of the post that was being addressed in my post explicitly stated there was a sexualized 13 yo girl not a 13 yo girl character in a game that was what was being referred to. 

 

To address your secondary point: : Does it only become sexualization after it starts to turn you on? If a child in bathing suit is all it takes for you to see sexualization...well...that's an issue you may want to seek help for.

[wolfhowwl]

 
 Speaking of context, this line is so much better without it.
 

Uh...um...I'll leave it to others to decide whether "any sexualization" of this 13 year old "not really a girl probably a robot so perverted outfits on the underaged are ok" takes place only in the mind of a pervert.

 

https://i.ytimg.com/...xresdefault.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.co...lqCWoAASEhG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/H1nKpcV.jpg?1

 

There were some great GAF threads on this.

[N7M]

Huh? The whole point of a videogame trailer is to sell the game to people who aren't already invested in buying that game. In my case, I didn't have any preconceived notions since I didn't know anything about Xenoblade. I still don't. Though I am considering playing that video just to see if the rest of the look lives down to the thumbnail.

(I actually had to bring up page 3 to make sure I had that title right.)

 

The thumbnail is not in the least explicit and it's surprising that it -by itself- would discourage anyone. I haven't played Xenoblades either but some of the older kids (13-19) in my immediate family have and they've recommended playing it. That was the first trailer I'd seen of it. The worst thing in that video is some of the voice acting, atrocious. While some may regard the outfit censorship negatively for various reasons -good and bad- regionalization in itself is a good thing since it helps prevent the homogenization of culture. 

[AlanC9]

The wording of the post that was being addressed in my post explicitly stated there was a sexualized 13 yo girl not a 13 yo girl character in a game that was what was being referred to.

Was anyone confused about whether we were talking about a character? I thought that was, you know, blatantly obvious from the context.

To address your secondary point: : Does it only become sexualization after it starts to turn you on? If a child in bathing suit is all it takes for you to see sexualization...well...that's an issue you may want to seek help for.

Pretty sure his answer to that question is no; my own reaction would probably be more in the neighborhood of disgust, or maybe just contempt. Protip: this sort of strawman can work as rhetoric, sort of, but you can't actually ask the person if he adheres to the strawman position. You have to assume that he means the strawman and run with it. You're still going to get called on it, but if you're using the tactic you likely don't care about that.

[AlanC9]

The thumbnail is not in the least explicit

Dude.... nobody said the problem was that it was explicit. The problem is that the outfits in both thumbnails look stupid.

[Puddi III]

To be clear, I still plan on getting Xenoblade X.

Original Xenoblade is supposed to be an amazing game and it follows on the Xeno quasi-franchise (Xenogears, Xenosaga) also of proven quality.

And if you look at the whole trailers the outfits really are no worse in aggregate than BioWare's efforts, whether that's a notable achievement or not.

Though this is the first I'm hearing about the loli ****.

[wolfhowwl]

The wording of the post that was being addressed in my post explicitly stated there was a sexualized 13 yo girl not a 13 yo girl character in a game that was what was being referred to. 

 

To address your secondary point: : Does it only become sexualization after it starts to turn you on? If a child in bathing suit is all it takes for you to see sexualization...well...that's an issue you may want to seek help for.

 

Please.

 

Look at the first picture ChronoDragoon posted (NSFW). How can you defend that ****?

 

We all know what is going on here. It's hardly the first time there was unsavory pandering to certain niche otaku demographics in a Japanese game and it certainly won't be the last.

[Keitaro57]

About Xenoblade X chronicle :

This game use the "You see what you equip" system. So, the Commander-in-chief get some skinny outfit for the video. But you can block the system and choose the base looking even with different armors (I use her normal-looking armor)

 

About the censorship : About the underaged character, okay. In fact, her new basic suit looks like a lot more "technical expert" than the old one. But they even removed the bust size slider... I have seriously enough of the puritain guys. Even on the japanese video we see that the biggest size wasn't a DOA heap of fat, so why cut a CC gimmick to please some antisexualisation hardcore guys!?

[Lonely Heart Poet]

So... ahem...

Making Andromeda the best rpg of all times?

When it's BioWare I have high expectations of the quality of writing. Squadmates and their personal stories really made the ME world to me. And if they again make very good voice actror choices, what can go so much wrong?

Thinking of an rpg. Your companions should focus on your agenda. In Mass Effect 2 it was just silly that all your squadmates started to remember their relatives in the same time. It was a military mission for the sake of the sake. (Loved that game though.)

They should make missions that benefits both Shepard (woops) protagonist and a colleague.


 

[Keitaro57]

So... ahem...

Making Andromeda the best rpg of all times?

When it's BioWare I have high expectations of the quality of writing. Squadmates and their personal stories really made the ME world to me. And if they again make very good voice actror choices, what can go so much wrong?

Thinking of an rpg. Your companions should focus on your agenda. In Mass Effect 2 it was just silly that all your squadmates started to remember their relatives in the same time. It was a military mission for the sake of the sake. (Loved that game though.)

They should make missions that benefits both Shepard (woops) protagonist and a colleague.


 

Bioware get a good handling now about all the "squadmembers" thing. But here comes why I talk about Xenoblade and hope they took a look :

 

Weapons and armors are customisable (and they are a lot of them).

Ressources and money comes with time, helped by the probes you place.

A real "we are alone and must keep an eye of our scarce ressources now" feeling. (for now, the trailers looks more like a "kill everyone in sight" feeling...)

A same map build to be travelled by foot or with a vehicle, like in ME1.

16 classes. If Bioware want to stay with his 6 by default, I hope that we can have several different builds to bring diversity.

R&D and even weapons / armors creation thanks to the loot.

Relationship diagram.

 

I'm only in the third chapter of Xenoblade and don't even have a mecha yet. But damn, this game is FULL of stuff...

[Lady Artifice]

Romance

 

The second thing that makes The Witcher more mature is romance and sexuality. Graphical of course, which might be too graphical for lots of (commercial) reasons. But also the way the game handles sexuality is more grownup than in BioWare games. Compared to The Witcher romances in Mass Effect and Dragon Age feels like a dating simulator that – if you press the right buttons – gives you a sexy scene as a prize in the end. While in The Witcher sex isn't the thing you work up to, but woven trough the relationships from early on, making them about more than getting someone out of their clothes and a stuffed unicorn.

 

Regarding this, I want to quote myself about the same subject from another thread.

 

 

  

 

When it comes to Bioware versus The Witcher romances, I understand why those comparisons are so frequent, and I happen to admire the Geralt/Yennefer storyline more than I admire several of the romance subplots that Bioware has written. I think it gets a little soap operesque at times ("Let's go on a dangerous magical quest for a vague reason, and then I'll reveal during the course of that story that it's because I want to risk our lives to--or even our very existence--to make certain that our feelings for each other are really real"), but both of the characters are engaging enough that it's still charming.

 

They are also based and built off of a literary source, which gives them a distinct leg up in how much they can build into a shorter period of story time. Geralt is nowhere near a blank slate, and they're dealing with two established characters with preset personalities and a prior history outside of the game's plot. 

 

 

Witcher romances are woven through the story from early on, but thanks to the pre defined nature of Geralt and Yennifer/Triss and the source material they're based on, they have significantly more freedom to do that. In order to emulate that, Bioware would be required to alter their formula considerably, possibly find source material to work with so that the origins of the story don't come out of nowhere, and definitely leave behind the niche market that they're associated with. 

[N7M]

Was anyone confused about whether we were talking about a character? I thought that was, you know, blatantly obvious from the context.

Pretty sure his answer to that question is no; my own reaction would probably be more in the neighborhood of disgust, or maybe just contempt. Protip: this sort of strawman can work as rhetoric, sort of, but you can't actually ask the person if he adheres to the strawman position. You have to assume that he means the strawman and run with it. You're still going to get called on it, but if you're using the tactic you likely don't care about that.

 

Artwork can be based on a real person. There are also online elements to the game. There was no detail only a base accusation. While you may make assumptions as you choose to that suits your reactive proclivities -and do- it seems better to some to get clarification on such topics. Protip: There was no strawman.

 

Have you managed to watch that trailer?