That would be sort of like unleashing Mecha Godzilla, Rodan, Battra, Mothra and Space Godzilla just to defeat normal Godzilla. You're going to have more problems then you started out with.
Do we have enough protagonists for the Power Rangers yet? Though I suppose just the Hero alone could be Ultraman.
You need five for a proper Power Rangers team. Or to combine their powers into Captain Planet.
Skyhold to Val Roy is days tops. This isn't taking backroads (aside from the roads the Inquisition is forming in the mountains), like the Warden would have had to do while trudging across Ferelden, but basically the highways of Thedas.
Skyhold maybe, because you might be able to go down the west side of the mountains, but what about Haven? You'd have to go around the Frostbacks on the east side and then north toward Jader. Dagna states in Origins that it takes like two or three weeks to get from Orzammar to the Circle Tower on foot. And that's probably a third of the distance between Haven and Val Royeaux.
Solas is smug now... but when I release the Forbidden Ones, the Titans and the Evanuris on him... the little bald rat won't be smiling anymore.
SKINNER
Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
LISA
But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
SKINNER
No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
LISA
But aren't the snakes even worse?
SKINNER
Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
LISA
But then we're stuck with gorillas!
SKINNER
No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
You need five for a proper Power Rangers team.
Six is the usual number, I think.
You start out with five, and then you introduce a Sixth Ranger as the villains start to step up their game.
You start out with five, and then you introduce a Sixth Ranger as the villains start to step up their game.
With a threat like Solas I think starting out with six and adding seven would be wise.
That would be sort of like unleashing Mecha Godzilla, Rodan, Battra, Mothra and Space Godzilla just to defeat normal Godzilla. You're going to have more problems then you started out with.
How dare you even consider comparing Solas to Godzilla... blasphemy of the highest order...
That being said - the Titans I don't see as a "problem" - more of a thing to direct. "The thing that killed you went... THAT WAY."
The Forbidden Ones (and I do mean the Forbidden Ones - spirits can't be killed as far as we know... Gaxkang, Xebenckek and Ishmael are just 'banished') are beatable by super powerful PCs (Wardens, Hawkes and Inquisitors) so... they're low tier.
As for the Evanuris... they'll be weak, they'll have to fight not only Solas... but also the Titans who'll have a huge hate on for them.
I mean... let's be serious.... Solas is threatening to burn the atmosphere... annihilate three of the four known sapient species... and destroy Thedas... unless he's the Elven God of Hyperbole I don't really think I'm overreacting.
EDIT: Jukaga: Absolutely... I am simply responding in kind to what Solas is proposing which is exactly the ludicrous example of sapient meddling that always ends in disaster. Of course, I'm also joking as no PC I ever play would do what I propose... the reason would be because I absolutely believe in what you wrote and that sapient meddling only ends worse than it begins.
Can't say I'm surprised the Inquisitor got "owned" by Solas. The Anchor was already acting up and Solas could control said anchor at will
EDIT: Jukaga: Absolutely... I am simply responding in kind to what Solas is proposing which is exactly the ludicrous example of sapient meddling that always ends in disaster. Of course, I'm also joking as no PC I ever play would do what I propose... the reason would be because I absolutely believe in what you wrote and that sapient meddling only ends worse than it begins.
no worries, I figured you were going that route, I thought that little Simpson's quote was just perfect in this situation.
I actually like it very much that Solas managed to trick the Inquisition, because nothing in life goes 100% smoothly. Everyone has their weaknesses and there is always someone who is better than you, be it intelligence, knowledge, strength etc.
So playing a character that always saves the world gets kind of boring. I want to see the protagonist struggle and stumble and fail and doubt himself/herself, because this is human and real. Overcoming all this, maybe with the help of his/her friends and allies, makes it all the more rewarding.
I think that the rise and success of the Inquisition was pretty much a no-brainer. You have Leliana, who is a brilliant spymaster, you have Josephine, who is a brilliant ambassador, you have Cullen, who is a brilliant commander and military trainer, and you and your companions defeat everyone with ease. Corypheus and his goons never feel like a true threat and before you know it, you have defeated him.
Well, this is probably because Dragon Age lacks the epicness of Mass Effect. The advisors push some chess pieces across the map, you see a handful of spies and soldiers in a seconds long cutscene and then in the Arbor Wilds there are groups of 3 vs 3 scuffling. I didn't get that this was supposed to be the "big fight" until it was said that Corypheus had lost his army in the Arbor Wilds. It felt more like a skirmish.
So being owned by Solas really felt refreshing after all this. It showed that the Inquisition was not this indomitable, incorruptible superpower. I only wish we could've seen that in between.
So being owned by Solas really felt refreshing after all this. It showed that the Inquisition was not this indomitable, incorruptible superpower. I only wish we could've seen that in between.
Other than with Blackwall, you mean?
Other than with Blackwall, you mean?
Yes. I totally forgot about his deceit, sorry.
@Wasserfrau: The problem for me comes in with his first conversation in Haven.
I wasn't fooled (that he was a dangerous mage hellbent on threatening everyone)... it was just another Ander's moment where I was forced to watch an NPC undermine my capacity to roleplay.
There are so many other options that "could" have been dealt with from Solas simply walking out earlier... to imprisoning him and having him escape... to attempting to Tranquilize or execute him and have his servants (which he already had prior to Inquisition) rescue him.
Instead... I let the enemy live with me for a year under the guise of helping with the Breach. Plausible... but I should have at least been able to show more skepticism in his intentions.
@Wasserfrau: The problem for me comes in with his first conversation in Haven.
I wasn't fooled (that he was a dangerous mage hellbent on threatening everyone)... it was just another Ander's moment where I was forced to watch an NPC undermine my capacity to roleplay.
There are so many other options that "could" have been dealt with from Solas simply walking out earlier... to imprisoning him and having him escape... to attempting to Tranquilize or execute him and have his servants (which he already had prior to Inquisition) rescue him.
Instead... I let the enemy live with me for a year under the guise of helping with the Breach. Plausible... but I should have at least been able to show more skepticism in his intentions.
Well, lack of choice in a game that's supposedly shaped by how you play is an overall problem in a variety of games. And this is understandable because with every choice there comes a consequence that in turn leads to other choices etc. which ultimately ends in a string of consequences and choices. It is difficult to implement in a game.
What I dislike in conversations is that asking questions to learn more about a certain topic almost always implies that the protagonist knows nothing of his/her own world. I mean, a human noble from a Chantry loyal family should know about the Chantry. Asking Mother Giselle or Leliana or Cassandra about it is so illogical.
We learn about the history of other countries and different religions in school. So a human noble should be educated in these matters, too. I mostly skip all of these questions because I don't want to play an uneducated or ignorant protagonist.
But yes, I agree about your ideas to deal with Solas. It would've added a complexity to the whole Solas deceit the game lacks. But I guess they placed more value on the surprising revelation at the end (surprising at least to those who didn't get suspicious of him).
This is the guy who created the Veil (in good shape) and you want to challenge him with his own artifact while it's currently killing you?
Sure, why not, TC.
Not really. The Inquisitor's condition was obviously deteriorating at least in terms of how the Mark was affecting them. Meanwhile you have Solas who is quite powerful (just ask the Qunari) and obviously in good health at this point in time. Expecting to be able to go toe-to-toe with him with that sort of imbalance seems like a bit of a pipe dream if I'm going to be honest.
You need five for a proper Power Rangers team. Or to combine their powers into Captain Planet.
So, we have Hero of Ferelden, Quizzy, Hawke(because he owned that bug in fade), Morrigan and Sandal.
He doesn't even bother turning his head when he petrifies those qunari.
So, what am I supposed to do, puff up aggressively at him?
He doesn't even bother turning his head when he petrifies those qunari.
So, what am I supposed to do, puff up aggressively at him?
Try giving him the "what-did-you-do" look.
Just finished Trespasser last night. I would understand Solas being able to overpower a non-mage class easily, but with my character being a Mage who drank from the well of sorrows and did practically everything he could to gain power, it was a little disheartening to see Solas man-handle him.
I would have at least appeciated an option to discharge some anchor energy at him, or if they had let us open a rift a la Corypheus in an attempt to stop him (my Quiztor was adamant about killing Solas).
I know that the mark is technically Solas' creation, but I thought his negation of its power at the end there was a little over the top. I'm not sure our next protagonist has a chance in hell against Solas unless they are part old god or the Hero of Ferelden
Well, this subject touches a lot of points I've been nudged towards thinking about by a number of other threads lately.
I'll respond sparingly here, because there is a chance that I might decide to do a proper thread about what's on my mind.
Anyway: I think Bioware made some very poor choices there. On the point, I think it's an unfortunate story element in a crpg, doing it the Trespass ending way. Spelled out - you should never use endings that way and you should never have the player *lose* a game played through proper, by imposed story. Also, I think it's a big mistake trying to set up a future sequel in the ending, i.e. any type of 'cliffhanger'. I don't know who's idea this is, but it's a bad one. It brings with it a number of bad consequences that you'd do much better to be without. And it certainly is no boon to the customers, and the maximum possible positive effect it will have on their willingness to buy the next game is likely zero. So nothing good can come from it. Why not simply do without these contraptions instead? Make compact stories that stand on their own and can be left behind.
I know that the mark is technically Solas' creation, but I thought his negation of its power at the end there was a little over the top. I'm not sure our next protagonist has a chance in hell against Solas unless they are part old god or the Hero of Ferelden
Three things that are important to note as far as this goes that I didn't see covered at a glance:
It is because the mark is technically Solas's creation that he is able to negate it's power. I agree that you can argue that it's over the top, but it doesn't speak to how powerful he is so much as it speaks to a very specific power of his. It doesn't necessarily show that he has absolutely unlimited power in an overall sense. Though I agree that the petrified Qunari are a bad sign in that direction. Still...
Hawke was the PC they used to show the danger of the Red Templars, and he almost lost to one. Come next game, they're basic mooks we can slaughter five at a time easily. Heck, we fight one with the same sword Meredith had, and who was drinking red lyrium and had armor made of it, and flatly win. I don't think Solas will get as much of a downgrade as the Red Templars did, but I do think he's going to go from his character sheet having "You lose" written where his stats should be to being an actual boss.
Also, as far as being part Old God I have some bad news: if Urthemiel still exists (ie if you chose for him to still exist in Origins) Solas is probably the most likely candidate to possess his soul given that he absorbed something from Flemeth. (I don't think that was his main goal, since he does that either way, but I don't see why he wouldn't also have Urthemiel after doing so.)
Three things that are important to note as far as this goes that I didn't see covered at a glance:
It is because the mark is technically Solas's creation that he is able to negate it's power. I agree that you can argue that it's over the top, but it doesn't speak to how powerful he is so much as it speaks to a very specific power of his. It doesn't necessarily show that he has absolutely unlimited power in an overall sense. Though I agree that the petrified Qunari are a bad sign in that direction. Still...
Hawke was the PC they used to show the danger of the Red Templars, and he almost lost to one. Come next game, they're basic mooks we can slaughter five at a time easily. Heck, we fight one with the same sword Meredith had, and who was drinking red lyrium and had armor made of it, and flatly win. I don't think Solas will get as much of a downgrade as the Red Templars did, but I do think he's going to go from his character sheet having "You lose" written where his stats should be to being an actual boss.
Also, as far as being part Old God I have some bad news: if Urthemiel still exists (ie if you chose for him to still exist in Origins) Solas is probably the most likely candidate to possess his soul given that he absorbed something from Flemeth. (I don't think that was his main goal, since he does that either way, but I don't see why he wouldn't also have Urthemiel after doing so.)
He doesn't even bother turning his head when he petrifies those qunari.
So, what am I supposed to do, puff up aggressively at him?
Don't be scared. Those were just statues he sculpted ahead of time. A system of pulleys, wires, and trapdoors made it look like he turned Viddasala to stone. Go get 'em! I'm right behind you.
Don't be scared. Those were just statues he sculpted ahead of time. A system of pulleys, wires, and trapdoors made it look like he turned Viddasala to stone. Go get 'em! I'm right behind you.
That's so much better. And here I thought he was an all powerful godlike being.
Good to know someone's got my back. I feel much more confident now.
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