The Warden is alive in EVERY SINGLE world state. It can be the HoF or, if dead, the Orlesian Warden. But "the Warden" (as DA2 final scene confirms) is still around.
Anyway, I think that the only one who can stop Solas is another Elven God. Let them fight!
Yes, but you are forgetting that the term "Warden" is widely used to remember not the Orlesian, but the original Elf, Dwarf or Human.
Actually Tidus ( my Elf warden),Zevran,Leliana and Morrigan from my DA:O games could get the job done-they killed the AD so, whose next?
Silly Thedas. Solas wins in DA4, just like Sandal said.
Why would you want to save Derp Wardens, Pimplars, wanna be blood mages, Orlais, and Tevinter anyway?
Maybe the fixed world will still need slaves. Maybe zombie warden and the Quizzy will get to be slaves for Solas.
The dead one?
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Well that's Bioware fault really... being in DAA after the super sacrifice... cough... cough....
Sorry old god i was so soulless that your soul give me a new life instead to kill me........
So that funeral was a fake,i once had also the impression that The Warden made a smirk when AListair/ANora were given the funeral speech.
I thought you were going to say Sandal. "Not enchantment" seems like the same thing Solas does to the Qunari.
Sandal seem to use ice rather than petrification.
The Hero could beat Solas easily, depending on the build. Even the weakest Hero could beat Solas. However, I think Solas is not worth the Hero's time. The Hero should be saved until the villain who is using Solas as a puppet. 
I say just let the (ex)Inquisitor and the new DA4 protagonist handle Solas, but also use DA4 to ease both the Hero and the Champion back into the main storyline.
Logically, the Hero must return in some capacity, even if dead. At most, the Hero is the King of Ferelden, and is thus a major political force on the world stage. I think this is partly why they demoted Hawke in Trespasser. And at the least, the Hero is an honored figure in the halls of Weisshaupt, with his or her own tomb next to Garehel's. And it's likely that we will see Weisshaupt in DA4, so its only natural we visit the Hero's tomb, which would naturally be designed to reflect the Hero's life and identity.
DA:I needs one more DLC in which the Hero or, if dead, the Orlesian Warden has their storyline featured. The DLC would cover the events between wherever they were before the quest began (saying goodbye to any loved ones), all the way to the discovery of the cure (if it was discovered). This would obviously begin with the character creator, and this would allow the players and BioWare to save the Hero's appearance and skill set for the next game. That way we won't have to stop the game to create a returning character, like we did with Hawke. Everything will be saved and ready to go in the next game. The DLC would also feature possible returning companion characters, such as Oghren, Sigrun, Velanna, Finn and Ariane (who are a package deal now I've read), and definitely some new characters. I would like to see some people of the far west join the party and get to know their lives and cultures.
I'm not sure how people are measuring the power levels of Origins vs Inquisition characters. My Wardens were strong enough to breeze through nightmare, but from a story perspective, I wouldn't think any of them was exceptionally stronger than Hawke or the Inquisitor except for my blood mage/spirit healer.
Solas can turn people to stone with no cast time. If you're going to put your Warden up against that I hope they didn't lose any of their magic resist gear over the years.
RAWR! I am the warden I will right all things! Wut? I have to go on the calling? Dang it.
I absolutely love this. It's *the* thing missing from Inquisition that would send it over the top. We've been basically suggesting this for years though.The Hero could beat Solas easily, depending on the build. Even the weakest Hero could beat Solas. However, I think Solas is not worth the Hero's time. The Hero should be saved until the villain who is using Solas as a puppet.
Logically, the Hero must return in some capacity, even if dead. At most, the Hero is the King of Ferelden, and is thus a major political force on the world stage. I think this is partly why they demoted Hawke in Trespasser. And at the least, the Hero is an honored figure in the halls of Weisshaupt, with his or her own tomb next to Garehel's. And it's likely that we will see Weisshaupt in DA4, so its only natural we visit the Hero's tomb, which would naturally be designed to reflect the Hero's life and identity.
DA:I needs one more DLC in which the Hero or, if dead, the Orlesian Warden has their storyline featured. The DLC would cover the events between wherever they were before the quest began (saying goodbye to any loved ones), all the way to the discovery of the cure (if it was discovered). This would obviously begin with the character creator, and this would allow the players and BioWare to save the Hero's appearance and skill set for the next game. That way we won't have to stop the game to create a returning character, like we did with Hawke. Everything will be saved and ready to go in the next game. The DLC would also feature possible companions characters, such as Oghren, Sigrun, Velanna, Finn and Ariane (who are a package deal now I've read), and definitely some new characters. I would like to see some people of the far west join the party and get to know their lives and cultures.
I'm sure using some elfy or dwarfy macguffin in DA4 will allow anyone to stop Solas.
I'm sure using some elfy or dwarfy macguffin in DA4 will allow anyone to stop Solas.
I might be wrong but... are there qunari turned into stone in the crossroad and in the shattered library?
if not, Solas might be unable to use his new superpower in the Fade.,
You should "attract" him (physically) in the Fade and kill him there. Or weaken him there and than kill him elsewhere.
The Fade is changable, shifting, by definition... it would make sense that there you can't turn thing/people into stone permanently. Or that such a power is less effective.
I'm not sure how people are measuring the power levels of Origins vs Inquisition characters. My Wardens were strong enough to breeze through nightmare, but from a story perspective, I wouldn't think any of them was exceptionally stronger than Hawke or the Inquisitor except for my blood mage/spirit healer.
Solas can turn people to stone with no cast time. If you're going to put your Warden up against that I hope they didn't lose any of their magic resist gear over the years.
The Hero could beat Solas easily, depending on the build. Even the weakest Hero could beat Solas. However, I think Solas is not worth the Hero's time. The Hero should be saved until the villain who is using Solas as a puppet.
Logically, the Hero must return in some capacity, even if dead. At most, the Hero is the King of Ferelden,
Fen'Harel wants to destroy the world and only he/she can save Thedas now. You guessed it right. Only the strongest, most badass and the most powerful person can save the world now and it is none other than the Hero of Ferelden. After 2 mediocre standalone games in the world of Thedas, it is time for Bioware to give us the sequel that the best fantasy game of all time deserves. It is time to give us Dragon Age: Origins 2. Please stop wasting our time with lame heroes like Hawke and Inquisitor. Bring the Warden back.
I'm up for anything that makes for a good story.
But let's face it, too many dead Wardens out there (and no, the Orlesian Warden doesn't matter) to make this a viable choice.
The dead one?
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Considering that i care more about Hawke then the Hero and like Origins the least of the three games, i'll pass.
But let's face it, too many dead Wardens out there (and no, the Orlesian Warden doesn't matter) to make this a viable choice.
It really makes me wonder how many people with dead Wardens chose to stick with their canon and play as the Orlesian Warden, regardless of Bioware allowing us to play with the actual HoF. I consider these separate to those who played the Orlesian because they wanted to jump into DAA right away, or wanted something fresh, or anything along those lines.
Of course, to my recollection, you can't import your choices and also choose to play as the Orlesian. So if you want your world state to carry over with the ruler of Ferelden and such, and also have that information available along with the DAA stuff for importation into DA2, you have to play your zombie Warden regardless of your preference. I might be misremembering the DAA import process though.
You are right OP! There can be only one! Let it be Duncan MacLeod! The Highlander! or is it Connor MacLeod! The Highlander! or is it Quentin MacLeod! The Highlander!
Warden = potentially dead. Can't have a story with the main character dead. Warden fanboys need to get over it
Warden = potentially dead. Can't have a story with the main character dead. Warden fanboys need to get over it
I'm up for anything that makes for a good story.
But let's face it, too many dead Wardens out there (and no, the Orlesian Warden doesn't matter) to make this a viable choice.
The Warden is dead in quite a few people's games (not sure about the Orlesian Warden) and I don't expect to see Hawke again for that exact same reason. Besides, if they do bring back the Warden, especially as a protagonist, you know they'll have to be voiced. While I wouldn't mind a voiced Warden, there are a lot of people who would get angry just at the idea.
A little more subjectively, however? I really don't want to ever see my Warden again unless the story specifically revolves around the search for the Calling's cure. I like the Warden the least out of the three protagonists we've had.
That is not the main problem absolutely,since Leliana,Oghren,Loghain,Alistair all of them could have been possibly dead and they wrote something meaningful for them.It does help also the fact that as it is the death of the warden is something rather mysterious since there are only speculation as for what happen to the soul of an archdemon and the one of a warden when they enter in contact.
I don't know if I'd call the Warden's death the main problem but it's definitely a big roadblock. It's one thing to retcon and write a way out for an NPC character's death, quite another when it's the death of a player character.
I absolutely love this. It's *the* thing missing from Inquisition that would send it over the top. We've been basically suggesting this for years though.
You know what? If BioWare doesn't want to make anything featuring the Warden again, fine. Hand it off to Tell Tale for a pure story game in their style featuring these characters. Let us import our decisions from the Keep (or just enter the necessary ones separately after the fact) and redesign our Wardens for that game, and off we go. I've been jonesing for a Tell Tale Dragon Age game for a while now anyway. Seems like a perfect win-win opportunity to me. We get the Warden's missing story at $25-$30, a fantastic extended universe game (guaranteed), and BioWare doesn't have to worry about the Warden anymore. Beautiful symmetry there.
edit: To the topic, I think the Warden would have a heck of a hard time beating Solas, but whoever does beat him is going to have to have a lot of help and some kind of deus ex machina anyway.
That is not the main problem absolutely,since Leliana,Oghren,Loghain,Alistair all of them could have been possibly dead and they wrote something meaningful for them.
It does help also the fact that as it is the death of the warden is something rather mysterious since there are only speculation as for what happen to the soul of an archdemon and the one of a warden when they enter in contact.
The Warden is dead in quite a few people's games (not sure about the Orlesian Warden) and I don't expect to see Hawke again for that exact same reason. Besides, if they do bring back the Warden, especially as a protagonist, you know they'll have to be voiced. While I wouldn't mind a voiced Warden, there are a lot of people who would get angry just at the idea.
A little more subjectively, however? I really don't want to ever see my Warden again unless the story specifically revolves around the search for the Calling's cure. I like the Warden the least out of the three protagonists we've had.
I don't know if I'd call the Warden's death the main problem but it's definitely a big roadblock. It's one thing to retcon and write a way out for an NPC character's death, quite another when it's the death of a player character.
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