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[Dai Grepher]

I thought the understanding was that Andruil and the other evanuris were sealed away. So she can't be part of Sera. I mean, the evanuris being sealed away could just be what Solas believes, and he has been wrong before, but I don't see him being wrong about something like that. He should be able to sense such a thing about Sera if it were true, which was the case with Flemeth. But he makes no indication of that in the game. He only tests her to see if she can tap into the old ways naturally.

[TK514]

If Sera were Andruil, unknowingly, why wouldn't Solas drain her dry like he did Flemeth, or at least freak out a little since she's supposed to be sealed away with the rest of the people he hates most in the universe?

[AnimalBoy]

If the Warden came back can dog come with him?

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Do marbari live that long?

[cindercatz]

We don't know exactly what happened to all the evanuri. Obviously not all of the others were sealed away, and Solas and Mythal were obviously friends, allies. I think the war of the evanuri was more about Solas turning people against.. oh, what's his name, the creater/destroyer one. The first panel we come up on in Trespasser, before all the slaves in chains murals, it talks more about mindset, not actual slavery. 'Each has it within his own power' or something like that. Which is why I see Solas as being like a Loki type, a softer version of a devil character. He's a tempter, a trickster. He steals their version of elf heaven away by creating the veil, which curses (mostly) everyone with mortality and mundanity, etc., frailty, limitation. But then he's also got this side that's almost like a gardener, a tender, that makes him more gray.

Fen'Harel did this as revenge for the murder of Mythal, right? So what happened to the other evanuri, we don't really know. He talks about how a spirit can be killed, their identity, but not their essence. And he'll go back and meet their new incarnation, and begin a new relationship. Mythal's spirit, Mythal has this nature of being in many places at once. She leaves pieces of herself everywhere, so thereby she's maintained her identity through various possessions. Don't be surprised if she comes back again, btw. She consented to what happened in the final scene. They were clearly discussing it. Maybe not as Flymeth, but Mythal is likely still out there, just like part of her inhabited the well of sorrows, or the gem Hawke carried in DA2.

So what happened to Andruil? She's like a cross between the huntress (an Artemis archetype, I mean) and a Persephone type, right? She was kind of an outsider, not from the same clique as the other evanuri. Maybe she died, and rather than persisting through other vessels like Mythal, she's reborn a new person again and again like his old friend, the spirit of wisdom. Maybe she's the spirit who used to be Andruil, but she's Sera now, and Solas does recognize her, and he's trying to steer her into the potential he knows is locked inside her. Why else would he be so frustrated with her? Why constantly prod her about things of the ancient elves? Why point out things he already knows are second nature to her, like farsight or spiritual sight, or effortless, unconscious perfect aim, how she forgets how she does things that are seemingly impossible in her pranks, that he knows nobody else can do? Not Lavellan, not the other elves you come across. He doesn't even respect the dalish. He doesn't really disagree with her about the Maker, it's not religious. Just Sera. Because he does recognize her, and he's trying to nurture that spirit, in her new form.

[Illegitimus]

Fen'Harel wants to destroy the world and only he/she can save Thedas now. You guessed it right. Only the strongest, most badass and the most powerful person can save the world now and it is none other than 

 

Superman!

[TK514]

We don't know exactly what happened to all the evanuri. Obviously not all of the others were sealed away, and Solas and Mythal were obviously friends, allies. I think the war of the evanuri was more about Solas turning people against.. oh, what's his name, the creater/destroyer one. The first panel we come up on in Trespasser, before all the slaves in chains murals, it talks more about mindset, not actual slavery. 'Each has it within his own power' or something like that. Which is why I see Solas as being like a Loki type, a softer version of a devil character. He's a tempter, a trickster. He steals their version of elf heaven away by creating the veil, which curses (mostly) everyone with mortality and mundanity, etc., frailty, limitation. But then he's also got this side that's almost like a gardener, a tender, that makes him more gray.

 

There's nothing to suggest he didn't seal all the others away.

[Aren]

There's nothing to suggest he didn't seal all the others away.

There is also nothing that suggest that he did sealed them all.
In truth aside from Mythal we never heared something substantial about the others, they are just codex and lore for now.

[Dai Grepher]

According to Solas, he sealed all the evanuris away. He has no reason to believe Sera carries any part of Andruil within her. So whether she does or not, Solas has no reason to think so.

[Madeline McQueen]

That sounds great, personally I would love my warden back but, what about those who's wardens died? I think it's safe to assume that in Dragon Age IV there will be a new character. What would be nice is if the hero, Hawke and Inquisitor can help the new character though (if they survived of course).

  

[thats1evildude]

Superman!

Superman is vulnerable to magic. I would never send him against a mage.

Maybe Batman? Solas isn't all that different from Ra's Al Ghul.

[Ashagar]

Batman has gone up against magic before and won but its clear the only person who can truely save the world is a Tevinter Magister... Just picture the collective reaction of the Dalish and southern chantry to that.

[canarius]

For people saying some Wardens are dead because of ultimate sacrifice:   Some Shepards were dead at the end of Mass Effect 2 but it didn't stop Bioware making Shepard the main character of Mass Effect 3.

 

For people saying they would rather have Inquisitor:   The only good skill the Inquisitor had was opening fade rifts and now he/she has lost that skill along with their arm. Besides he/she already confronted Solas in Trespasser and Solas played with him/her like a toy. Also even the Inquisitor says his/her adventuring days are over at the end of Trespasser and he/she doesn't really have an army anymore.

 

For people saying they would rather have Hawke:    Hawke is one of the lamest character in the history of Thedas. Hawke is cursed. Look what happened to Kirkwall, the city that he/she is the champion of. He/she tried to stop Corypheus and made things even worse. So no, Hawke should stay far away from everthing.

 

Why are people having so much trouble seeing the obvious truth? The Warden is the most qualified person in Thedas to deal with Fen'Harel. He/she already defeated countless enemies including an Archdemon and the elven goddess Mythal herself. He/she also proved their leadership abilities bringing 3 races together and leading them in the Battle of Denerim, winning that battle and ending the blight. Only the Warden can defeat Fen'Harel.

[Fredward]

Is it Silento?

[springacres]

My canon Warden is an elven mage who HATES blood magic and slavery, and believes his parents ended up as Tevinter slaves courtesy of Loghain.  Much as I would love to see him again in DA4, getting him anywhere near Tevinter would risk a major diplomatic incident at the very least.  I rather hope we have a new protagonist.  Preferably Tevene him- or herself, so we as players can learn about Tevinter culture from an insider's point of view so to speak?

[KaiserShep]

For people saying some Wardens are dead because of ultimate sacrifice:   Some Shepards were dead at the end of Mass Effect 2 but it didn't stop Bioware making Shepard the main character of Mass Effect 3.

 

Yeah, but Mass Effect 2's everybody dies ending isn't a valid world state, insofar that there is no carry-over story that involves a dead Shepard like there is for the Origins Warden.

 

 

For people saying they would rather have Inquisitor:   The only good skill the Inquisitor had was opening fade rifts and now he/she has lost that skill along with their arm. Besides he/she already confronted Solas in Trespasser and Solas played with him/her like a toy. Also even the Inquisitor says his/her adventuring days are over at the end of Trespasser and he/she doesn't really have an army anymore. 

 

Technically, the Inquisitor can still play the role of a leader that commands whoever/whatever takes the enemy on, similarly to all those war table operations that the Inquisitor doesn't personally see through to the end. 

 

 

For people saying they would rather have Hawke:    Hawke is one of the lamest character in the history of Thedas. Hawke is cursed. Look what happened to Kirkwall, the city that he/she is the champion of. He/she tried to stop Corypheus and made things even worse. So no, Hawke should stay far away from everthing.

 

I admit to liking when people bring this up, because I enjoy defending Hawke. Hawke is one person against factions that had no hope of reconciliation. Meredith was steadfast in her pressing of the mages, Anders was a vengeful abomination, Isabela caused the qunari to land there and then kept it a secret, and the qunari are friends to no one. If the Qun demanded Sten kill the Warden, he'd do it, Asala or no Asala. 

 

With Corypheus, people love to conveniently forget that there was no way to simply leave Corypheus imprisoned, because it was designed so that the only way out was to break the seal and then attempt to kill him. Not even the all-powerful Solas knew that Corypheus could cheat death by escaping through blighted creatures. 

 

 

Come to think of it, if I had to name a character in that story that's actually cursed, I would say it was Varric. Think about it. Varric's brother led the expedition that ultimately led to the downfall of the Templars to red lyrium, because his own brother betrayed him and left him for dead in the Deep Roads, Varric protected Anders from the Templars despite knowing full well what he was, and was the one that tracked the Carta to the Warden prison that held Corypheus, and ultimately into the trap. 

 

 

 

Why are people having so much trouble seeing the obvious truth? The Warden is the most qualified person in Thedas to deal with Fen'Harel. He/she already defeated countless enemies including an Archdemon and the elven goddess Mythal herself. He/she also proved their leadership abilities bringing 3 races together and leading them in the Battle of Denerim, winning that battle and ending the blight. Only the Warden can defeat Fen'Harel.

 

The archdemon's defeat is entirely on account of the darkspawn taint in a Warden's blood. Anyone who has both that and the ability to slay dragons could pull it off. But none of that is really relevant against one of the most powerful ancient elven mages, even less so if the Warden's quest for the cure was successful. The Warden doesn't gather an army thanks to leadership skills; the Warden brings them together for doing their dirty work in exchange for their honoring ancient treaties. 

[Bfler]

If your original Warden from Origins is dead, there is still the Warden from Awakening and furthermore a dead Warden could be resurrected by a spirit like Justice (Or you play as Cole in Wardens body). Where's the problem?

[TK514]

If your original Warden from Origins is dead, there is still the Warden from Awakening and furthermore a dead Warden could be resurrected by a spirit like Justice (Or you play as Cole in Wardens body). Where's the problem?

I think I threw up in my mouth a little.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

Why are people having so much trouble seeing the obvious truth? The Warden is the most qualified person in Thedas to deal with Fen'Harel. He/she already defeated countless enemies including an Archdemon and the elven goddess Mythal herself. He/she also proved their leadership abilities bringing 3 races together and leading them in the Battle of Denerim, winning that battle and ending the blight. Only the Warden can defeat Fen'Harel.

It's been 6 years and people won't give up,is that perseverance or folly?

Most qualified according to what criteria exactly?

To me the warden wasn't particularly interesting as a character,it was a mute blank tool involved into an unbelievable and tedious fairy tale in which s/he was the absolute mary sue forced by the plot in doing all the dirty works of the laughable allies  and aside from the dwarves of Orzammar the army gathered was full of pathetic amateurs.

 

 

 

 

With Corypheus, people love to conveniently forget that there was no way to simply leave Corypheus imprisoned, because it was designed so that the only way out was to break the seal and then attempt to kill him. Not even the all-powerful Solas knew that Corypheus could cheat death by escaping through blighted creatures. 

 

 

Come to think of it, if I had to name a character in that story that's actually cursed, I would say it was Varric. Think about it. Varric's brother led the expedition that ultimately led to the downfall of the Templars to red lyrium, because his own brother betrayed him and left him for dead in the Deep Roads, Varric protected Anders from the Templars despite knowing full well what he was, and was the one that tracked the Carta to the Warden prison that held Corypheus, and ultimately into the trap. 

 

 

The archdemon's defeat is entirely on account of the darkspawn taint in a Warden's blood. Anyone who has both that and the ability to slay dragons could pull it off. But none of that is really relevant against one of the most powerful ancient elven mages, even less so if the Warden's quest for the cure was successful. The Warden doesn't gather an army thanks to leadership skills; the Warden brings them together for doing their dirty work in exchange for their honoring ancient treaties. 

leave Corypheus in that rotten prison was entirely possible,but of course the writers had to make an unbelievable and contrived outcome with Hawke releasing him just for fun of the  battle.

If the Warden managed to imprison him in a so well elaborated way there was a good reason and only a moron  like Hawke would have thought that it was possible to resolve everything so easily.

[TK514]

 

leave Corypheus in that rotten prison was entirely possible,but of course the writers had to make an unbelievable and contrived outcome with Hawke releasing him just for fun of the  battle.

If the Warden managed to imprison him in a so well elaborated way there was a good reason and only a moron  like Hawke would have thought that it was possible to resolve everything so easily.

 

 

Not even remotely true.  The only reason Hawke was there was because Corypheus' assassins were hunting him and his sibling for the Hawke family blood.  Corypheus had all the time and minions he needed to keep the threat going until they were eventually successful, and then he'd have been freed on his own terms.  Hawke made the only intelligent move open to them, namely hunting down the source of the threat and dealing with it.

[canarius]

 

Yeah, but Mass Effect 2's everybody dies ending isn't a valid world state, insofar that there is no carry-over story that involves a dead Shepard like there is for the Origins Warden.

 

Exactly, they can do the same for Dragon Age. Ultimate sacrifice won't be a valid world state.

 

 

Technically, the Inquisitor can still play the role of a leader that commands whoever/whatever takes the enemy on, similarly to all those war table operations that the Inquisitor doesn't personally see through to the end.

 

So you want to play a character who spends the entire game in a room with a war table? That sounds like a very boring game.

 

 

I admit to liking when people bring this up, because I enjoy defending Hawke. Hawke is one person against factions that had no hope of reconciliation. Meredith was steadfast in her pressing of the mages, Anders was a vengeful abomination, Isabela caused the qunari to land there and then kept it a secret, and the qunari are friends to no one. If the Qun demanded Sten kill the Warden, he'd do it, Asala or no Asala. 

 

With Corypheus, people love to conveniently forget that there was no way to simply leave Corypheus imprisoned, because it was designed so that the only way out was to break the seal and then attempt to kill him. Not even the all-powerful Solas knew that Corypheus could cheat death by escaping through blighted creatures. 

 

 

Come to think of it, if I had to name a character in that story that's actually cursed, I would say it was Varric. Think about it. Varric's brother led the expedition that ultimately led to the downfall of the Templars to red lyrium, because his own brother betrayed him and left him for dead in the Deep Roads, Varric protected Anders from the Templars despite knowing full well what he was, and was the one that tracked the Carta to the Warden prison that held Corypheus, and ultimately into the trap.

 

Meredith is nothing compared to Teryn Loghain. If DA2 Anders was in the Warden's party, the Warden would either keep him under control or kill him before he does anything stupid. Same with Isabela. If the Qun demanded Sten kill the Warden, he would try it and die during the attempt. Many people wanted to kill the Warden and they all shared the same fate. Sten is nothing compared to the Warden.

 

As for Corypheus, even if he did escape, the Warden would not rest until he is dead for good. The Warden always finishes what he/she starts and doesn't leave it to others to correct his/her mistakes.

 

Varric's only mistake was meeting Hawke. Everything went bad for him after he met the accursed Hawke. Defend Hawke all you want, it won't change the fact that he is such a lame character. I don't think anyone likes Hawke outside of BSN.

 

 

The archdemon's defeat is entirely on account of the darkspawn taint in a Warden's blood. Anyone who has both that and the ability to slay dragons could pull it off. But none of that is really relevant against one of the most powerful ancient elven mages, even less so if the Warden's quest for the cure was successful. The Warden doesn't gather an army thanks to leadership skills; the Warden brings them together for doing their dirty work in exchange for their honoring ancient treaties.

 

The archdemon is not just any dragon. The archdemon is a god and only the strongest and most powerful like the Warden can defeat it. As for powerful ancient elven mages, the Warden already defeated one remember? He/she can defeat Mythal in Morrigan's quest. Even Mythal knew she stood no chance against the Warden and gave a trinket to Hawke to save her ass. And when you say dirty work, are you talking about how the Warden decides the fate of their existence? Redcliffe would fall without the Warden. The Warden decides whether Elves or werewolves live/die. The Warden decides who will be the king of Orzammar. The Warden decides the fate of the Circle.

[AresKeith]

Exactly, they can do the same for Dragon Age. Ultimate sacrifice won't be a valid world state.

 

Except it already is a valid world state

 

Let it go and move on

[AresKeith]

The archdemon is not just any dragon. The archdemon is a god and only a Warden can defeat it.

 

Fixed that for you with actual fact and not fanboyism

[TK514]

1. Exactly, they can do the same for Dragon Age. Ultimate sacrifice won't be a valid world state.

 

 

2. So you want to play a character who spends the entire game in a room with a war table? That sounds like a very boring game.

 

3. As for Corypheus, even if he did escape, the Warden would not rest until he is dead for good. The Warden always finishes what he/she starts and doesn't leave it to others to correct his/her mistakes.

 

4. Varric's only mistake was meeting Hawke. Everything went bad for him after he met the accursed Hawke. Defend Hawke all you want, it won't change the fact that he is such a lame character. I don't think anyone likes Hawke outside of BSN.

 

 

5. The archdemon is not just any dragon. The archdemon is a god and only the strongest and most powerful like the Warden can defeat it. As for powerful ancient elven mages, the Warden already defeated one remember? He/she can defeat Mythal in Morrigan's quest. Even Mythal knew she stood no chance against the Warden and gave a trinket to Hawke to save her ass. And when you say dirty work, are you talking about how the Warden decides the fate of their existence? Redcliffe would fall without the Warden. The Warden decides whether Elves or werewolves live/die. The Warden decides who will be the king of Orzammar. The Warden decides the fate of the Circle.

 

1. Too late for that.  It's been a valid world state for three games.

2. He need not be the playable protagonist.

3. The Warden wouldn't have had any more idea that Corypheus was alive than any of the people who were actually there.

4. The Idol, Anders, and any of the other things in Kirkwall would have happened, and been much worse, if Hawke had died in Lothering.  And you'd be wrong.  Again.

5. Archdemons can be defeated by non-Wardens, and have been again and again.  That's how people learned about AD being able to jump bodies way back during the First Blight, before the Wardens were even created.  They kept killing it.  It just takes a Warden, ANY Warden, to be closer than the nearest Darkspawn for an Archdemon to die for good.  That Warden could be a brain dead quadraplegic moments from breathing their last breath, and it would be enough as long as the AD died before they did.  Any particularly capable adventurer could have done the things the Warden did.  The only thing that made the Warden special was old scraps of paper that the relevant parties decided to honor.  The proof?  The fact that there were 10 potential Wardens, and all of them could finish the quest successfully.

[TheKomandorShepard]

3. The Warden wouldn't have had any more idea that Corypheus was alive than any of the people who were actually there.

4. The Idol, Anders, and any of the other things in Kirkwall would have happened, and been much worse, if Hawke had died in Lothering.  And you'd be wrong.  Again.

5. Archdemons can be defeated by non-Wardens, and have been again and again.  That's how people learned about AD being able to jump bodies way back during the First Blight, before the Wardens were even created.  They kept killing it.  It just takes a Warden, ANY Warden, to be closer than the nearest Darkspawn for an Archdemon to die for good.  That Warden could be a brain dead quadraplegic moments from breathing their last breath, and it would be enough as long as the AD died before they did.  Any particularly capable adventurer could have done the things the Warden did.  The only thing that made the Warden special was old scraps of paper that the relevant parties decided to honor.  The proof?  The fact that there were 10 potential Wardens, and all of them could finish the quest successfully.

 

3.Actually technically speaking The warden could have sense Corypheus as he was darkspawn (well even that wasn't necessary even person with average intelligence would notice that something fishy is going on) , in practice that would mean very little given Corypheus can mind control grey wardens and pretty much take over their body. The warden would be last protagonist i would send on Corypheus unless taint is gone.

4.Not necessarily there is good chance that Bartrand expedition would fail without Hawke as in first place Hawke provided large amount of money (bartrand had only 1 present alternative and he refused) , got map and helped expedition break through hazards.

5.True, but Archdemons are most powerful known beings in Thedas well now with exception perhaps elven gods , so defeating one requires exceptional skills and killing one requires going through joining.So yes the warden was special just by virtue of being exceptionally talented and competent person.Also why 10 , isn;t there like 6 origins HN , DN , DC , CE , DE and magi with that elven and human mages are kind of different people (different parents) but are mutually exclusive with that that would make 7.