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[TK514]

3.Actually technically speaking The warden could have sense Corypheus as he was darkspawn (well even that wasn't necessary even person with average intelligence would notice that something fishy is going on) , in practice that would mean very little given Corypheus can mind control grey wardens and pretty much take over their body. The warden would be last protagonist i would send on Corypheus unless taint is gone.

4.Not necessarily there is good chance that Bartrand expedition would fail without Hawke as in first place Hawke provided large amount of money (bartrand had only 1 present alternative and he refused) , got map and helped expedition break through hazards.

5.True, but Archdemons are most powerful known beings in Thedas well now with exception perhaps elven gods , so defeating one requires exceptional skills and killing one requires going through joining.So yes the warden was special just by virtue of being exceptionally talented and competent person.Also why 10 , isn;t there like 6 origins HN , DN , DC , CE , DE and magi with that elven and human mages are kind of different people (different parents) but are mutually exclusive with that that would make 7.
     

 

3. The Warden wouldn't have been able to sense Corypheus because he was in another Warden.  If I recall correctly, Wardens, particularly if you picked Larius who was mostly ghoul, sense as Darkspawn.

4. Varric knew how to get the map, not Hawke.  Hawke just provided muscle and gold, both of which Bartrand could have procured in time.

5.  You're right, I forgot the  Dwarf commoner origin.  So, counting male/female, that's twelve.  Twelve people capable of defeating the Darkspawn, and those are just the ones Duncan had time to scout.  The Warden was not unique.  He or she just happened to be in the right place at the right time.  And even had none of those twelve survived, the rest of the Wardens were massing in Orlais.  Ferelden may have been destroyed, but ultimately the Archdemon would have been defeated by someone else.

[RenAdaar]

 Please stop wasting our time with lame heroes like Hawke and Inquisitor. Bring the Warden back.

 

Hawke and the Inquisitor are far more interesting then the warden 

[GoldenGail3]

 
Hawke and the Inquisitor are far more interesting then the warden

Hawke isn't. The Quiz? Yep, their equally as interesting as the Warden.

[TheKomandorShepard]

3. The Warden wouldn't have been able to sense Corypheus because he was in another Warden.  If I recall correctly, Wardens, particularly if you picked Larius who was mostly ghoul, sense as Darkspawn.

4. Varric knew how to get the map, not Hawke.  Hawke just provided muscle and gold, both of which Bartrand could have procured in time.

5.  You're right, I forgot the  Dwarf commoner origin.  So, counting male/female, that's twelve.  Twelve people capable of defeating the Darkspawn, and those are just the ones Duncan had time to scout.  The Warden was not unique.  He or she just happened to be in the right place at the right time.  And even had none of those twelve survived, the rest of the Wardens were massing in Orlais.  Ferelden may have been destroyed, but ultimately the Archdemon would have been defeated by someone else.

3.Not necessarily if i recall there is nowhere said that wardens can sense other wardens only that they can sense darkspawn , grey wardens aren't rly darkspawn only ghouls.

4.Hawke got map , Varric only knew who may have it , aside from gathering gold and map on his own Bartrand would have to get competent mercenaries what would mean even more costs and even then it isn't guaranteed that mercenaries would handle situation ,then they were in rush because it was shortly after blight what meant deep roads were cleaner. 

5.Male/female wardens are exactly the same people just with flipped gender so treating them as different people is pointless.Or rather we were shown people that would succeed in killing archdemon , i would say 6 extraordinary talented people are unique in fact if you push it every person is unique. How do you know Archdemon would have been defeated , how do you know that another grey wardens would be able to defeat an archdemon? You can't tell if archdemon would have been defeated because if not the warden.  

[kal_reegar]

 

 

3.Actually technically speaking The warden could have sense Corypheus as he was darkspawn (well even that wasn't necessary even person with average intelligence would notice that something fishy is going on) , in practice that would mean very little given Corypheus can mind control grey wardens and pretty much take over their body. The warden would be last protagonist i would send on Corypheus unless taint is gone.

 

 

I agree. The appearance of the Warden/HoF in DA would have make little sense. For the following reasons.

 

 

1) The Breach was the big and apparent threat, but it was dealt/contained very quickly. Had the inquisitor failed to close the Breach, the HoF would have probably shown up.

 

2) Probably all eastern Fedelden/Amaranthine was in caos: rifts, red templars/venatori activities etc: as King and/or arle of Amaranthine, he certainly was a little busy.

 

3) Corypheus can influence/control the Wardens. The HoF and the Warden of Ferelden should have been the last resort. As long as the Inquisitor was succesfully dealing with Corypheus (after haven there were only victories for the Inquisition), I'd say (and probably Leliana say him the same thing): stay away from Corypheus.

 

4) Corypheus isn't hard to slain. Even Hawke (almost alone) managed to do it. You simply have to do one thing: find a way to prevent his reincarnation. The HoF has such competence/knowledge? No. Apart from his fighting skills, he's ussless.

 

5) Figuring out the mysteries of the Blight/Taint/Calling seems to me a vital and important task, especially on the long term. We don't know what is involved with this sub-plot, both on a personal level (the Warden could be a selfish man, after all) and on a general level. Could be VERY important.

[AnimalBoy]

Hawke isn't. The Quiz? Yep, their equally as interesting as the Warden.

 

 

And i disagree. To me Hawke is the best out of the three.

People seem to talk like they're opinions are facts.

[Dai Grepher]

5.Male/female wardens are exactly the same people just with flipped gender so treating them as different people is pointless.Or rather we were shown people that would succeed in killing archdemon , i would say 6 extraordinary talented people are unique in fact if you push it every person is unique. How do you know Archdemon would have been defeated , how do you know that another grey wardens would be able to defeat an archdemon? You can't tell if archdemon would have been defeated because if not the warden.  

 

Darkspawn Chronicles.

 

But I agree that you can't count the opposite genders in most cases. For the most part the Origins character is singular, and the gender can be set by the player, as is the case with Hawke.

 

There is only one youngest Cousland, and this youngest is either male or female. There aren't two of them. Same with the Aeducan. There is only one middle sibling.

 

The exception I think would be the human mage origin. The Amell is said to have a sibling. So it seems there is one male Amell and one female Amell. Choosing one means the other is automatically sent to a different Circle.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

3.Not necessarily if i recall there is nowhere said that wardens can sense other wardens only that they can sense darkspawn , grey wardens aren't rly darkspawn only ghouls.

 

Corypheus is not a darkspawn he is a ghoul too.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Corypheus is not a darkspawn he is a ghoul too.

To be honest i wouldn't categorize Cory (and magisters that went to black city) as Ghoul he looks like darkspawn emissary (at least in dragon age 2) in contrast to ghouls that are pretty much zombie. The only thing that would put Corypheus into ghoul category is that he wasn't born darkspawn but they he lacks characteristics associated with ghouls. 

 

 

Darkspawn Chronicles.

 

But I agree that you can't count the opposite genders in most cases. For the most part the Origins character is singular, and the gender can be set by the player, as is the case with Hawke.

 

There is only one youngest Cousland, and this youngest is either male or female. There aren't two of them. Same with the Aeducan. There is only one middle sibling.

 

The exception I think would be the human mage origin. The Amell is said to have a sibling. So it seems there is one male Amell and one female Amell. Choosing one means the other is automatically sent to a different Circle.

 

In Darkspawn Chronicles wardens or rather Alistair fails to stop blight and Archdemon wins destroying Ferelden , what happened later is never shown.

 

I wouldn't say that human mage is an exception he is the same Amell just born as woman/man , though magi origins have kid of exception that is elven mage that came from different family. 

[GoldenGail3]

And i disagree. To me Hawke is the best out of the three.

People seem to talk like they're opinions are facts.

 

You must love Shepard then. 

[AnimalBoy]

You must love Shepard then. 

 

 

Actually, yes i do. You sure you don't just dislike everything but Origins?

[GoldenGail3]

Actually, yes i do. You sure you don't just dislike everything but Origins?

Actually; i do actually if your all about following my posts AnimalBoy do your research. 

[AnimalBoy]

Actually; i do actually if your all about following my posts AnimalBoy do your research. 

 

 

Follow your posts? Hardly. Please don't flatter yourself. Sadly, i seem to post in the same threads that you do and i'm going to call someone out who constantly puts a game down for every little reason. Hawke isn't interesting, Hawke is too fast, etc. etc. etc. Give me a break. For someone who supposedly likes the game  you sure do put it down a lot. That being said, i'm done responding to you.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

To be honest i wouldn't categorize Cory (and magisters that went to black city) as Ghoul he looks like darkspawn emissary (at least in dragon age 2) in contrast to ghouls that are pretty much zombie. The only thing that would put Corypheus into ghoul category is that he wasn't born darkspawn but they he lacks characteristics associated with ghouls.

In the wikia they reference him as a ghoul ,so i guess the word ghoul is used on everyone who possess the taint but were not born with it like the darkspawn.
It the word ghoul is used with this meaning then the Gw ,red templars, and Corypheus can be considered as ghouls.

[TheKomandorShepard]

In the wikia they reference him as a ghoul ,so i guess the word ghoul is used on everyone who possess the taint but were not born with it like the darkspawn.
It the word ghoul is used with this meaning then the Gw ,red templars, and Corypheus can be considered as ghouls.

Wiki is fan-created (anyone can write there) rather than official source , as i said Corypheus is almost identical in apparence to darkspawn emissary not ghoul , so only factor that would categorize him as ghoul would be that he was human once but in terms of physicality he is darkspawn emissary rather than ghoul.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Not even remotely true. The only reason Hawke was there was because Corypheus' assassins were hunting him and his sibling for the Hawke family blood. Corypheus had all the time and minions he needed to keep the threat going until they were eventually successful, and then he'd have been freed on his own terms. Hawke made the only intelligent move open to them, namely hunting down the source of the threat and dealing with it.

Corypheus was locked into his tomb surrounded by several griffins statues that empowered the seal.
Someone in the past that was obviously more competent than Hawke and Solas and any other member of the inquisition
( since they didn't know about Cory little secret) managed to create that elaborated prison for Corypheus who worked for millenia until Hawke ruined everything.
He didn't had any minions at the time as he didn't know what was going on in the world since he was asleep he was just singing like an old god to every blighted creature.
His calling managed to reach the outside world because the seals were not strong enough to contain the calling and they needed to be reinforced like when Malcom Hawke did it.
Instead to do that Hawke did the opposite thing, s/he removed the seals and opened his cage following the advices of two broken minds (Janeka, Larius) already affected by the calling without even knowing the danger of Corypheus or anything about him.
Instead to reinforce the cage with the blood of the Amell family , Hawke did the opposite choice that i would hardly define as the intelligent one s/he removed the last barrier with her/his blood thus starting the chaos
At Hawke place i would have never touched the statues that were used to contain Corypheus instead i would have interrogated Janeka or Larius to know on how to reinforce his imprisonment to stop his calling like the sane Larius did with Malcom hawke, when he wasn't confused by the calling.

[TK514]

Corypheus was locked into his tomb surrounded by several griffins statues that empowered the seal.
Someone in the past that was obviously more competent than Hawke and Solas and any other member of the inquisition
( since they didn't know about Cory little secret) managed to create that elaborated prison for Corypheus who worked for millenia until Hawke ruined everything.
He didn't had any minions at the time as he didn't know what was going on in the world since he was asleep he was just singing like an old god to every blighted creature.
His calling managed to reach the outside world because the seals were not strong enough to contain the calling and they needed to be reinforced like when Malcom Hawke did it.
Instead to do that Hawke did the opposite thing, s/he removed the seals and opened his cage following the advices of two broken minds (Janeka, Larius) already affected by the calling without even knowing the danger of Corypheus or anything about him.
Instead to reinforce the cage with the blood of the Amell family , Hawke did the opposite choice that i would hardly define as the intelligent one s/he removed the last barrier with her/his blood thus starting the chaos
At Hawke place i would have never touched the statues that were used to contain Corypheus instead i would have interrogated Janeka or Larius to know on how to reinforce his imprisonment to stop his calling like the sane Larius did with Malcom hawke, when he wasn't confused by the calling.

 

Ah, so what you're saying is you have no idea what you're talking about.  Now that I realize that, I can ignore you.

[GoldenGail3]

Corypheus was locked into his tomb surrounded by several griffins statues that empowered the seal.
Someone in the past that was obviously more competent than Hawke and Solas and any other member of the inquisition
( since they didn't know about Cory little secret) managed to create that elaborated prison for Corypheus who worked for millenia until Hawke ruined everything.
He didn't had any minions at the time as he didn't know what was going on in the world since he was asleep he was just singing like an old god to every blighted creature.
His calling managed to reach the outside world because the seals were not strong enough to contain the calling and they needed to be reinforced like when Malcom Hawke did it.
Instead to do that Hawke did the opposite thing, s/he removed the seals and opened his cage following the advices of two broken minds (Janeka, Larius) already affected by the calling without even knowing the danger of Corypheus or anything about him.
Instead to reinforce the cage with the blood of the Amell family , Hawke did the opposite choice that i would hardly define as the intelligent one s/he removed the last barrier with her/his blood thus starting the chaos
At Hawke place i would have never touched the statues that were used to contain Corypheus instead i would have interrogated Janeka or Larius to know on how to reinforce his imprisonment to stop his calling like the sane Larius did with Malcom hawke, when he wasn't confused by the calling.

 

But how would they would've known that a Darkspawn Magister was controlling them? 

 

This thusly brings up too many questions for it to make sense at all. 

 

Sorry about my last post; I take crap very seriously over the internet and i will react poorly if someone personally insults me; i take very little crap when it comes to personal, so i'll not react like that useless i need too.   

[RenAdaar]

Hawke isn't. The Quiz? Yep, their equally as interesting as the Warden.

I like my warden yeah but they aren't that interesting. They lack the personality that made me actually care about Hawke and the Inquisitor as characters. 

[myahele]

[KaiserShep]

leave Corypheus in that rotten prison was entirely possible,but of course the writers had to make an unbelievable and contrived outcome with Hawke releasing him just for fun of the  battle.

If the Warden managed to imprison him in a so well elaborated way there was a good reason and only a moron  like Hawke would have thought that it was possible to resolve everything so easily.

 

If the writers made the prison impossible to escape without breaking the seals, then it's simply not possible to leave Corypheus in that prison without simply staying trapped there along with him. You can't argue that it's possible based on what they could have written. 

 

No character there claimed it would be easy, but more importantly, they had no choice. It doesn't matter how contrived one thinks the setup is; Hawke & co's only options are either fight their way out, or stay there and die. Whatever reasons the Wardens may have to force Hawke's father to seal Corypheus away are irrelevant at that point. 

 

 

Exactly, they can do the same for Dragon Age. Ultimate sacrifice won't be a valid world state.

 

 

So you want to play a character who spends the entire game in a room with a war table? That sounds like a very boring game.

 

 

Meredith is nothing compared to Teryn Loghain. If DA2 Anders was in the Warden's party, the Warden would either keep him under control or kill him before he does anything stupid. Same with Isabela. If the Qun demanded Sten kill the Warden, he would try it and die during the attempt. Many people wanted to kill the Warden and they all shared the same fate. Sten is nothing compared to the Warden.

 

As for Corypheus, even if he did escape, the Warden would not rest until he is dead for good. The Warden always finishes what he/she starts and doesn't leave it to others to correct his/her mistakes.

 

Varric's only mistake was meeting Hawke. Everything went bad for him after he met the accursed Hawke. Defend Hawke all you want, it won't change the fact that he is such a lame character. I don't think anyone likes Hawke outside of BSN.

 

 

The archdemon is not just any dragon. The archdemon is a god and only the strongest and most powerful like the Warden can defeat it. As for powerful ancient elven mages, the Warden already defeated one remember? He/she can defeat Mythal in Morrigan's quest. Even Mythal knew she stood no chance against the Warden and gave a trinket to Hawke to save her ass. And when you say dirty work, are you talking about how the Warden decides the fate of their existence? Redcliffe would fall without the Warden. The Warden decides whether Elves or werewolves live/die. The Warden decides who will be the king of Orzammar. The Warden decides the fate of the Circle.

 

 

They could have done the same for Dragon Age, but they didn't. It's been 2 games now and the Warden's death is considered a valid option for the world state. It's far too late to retcon this part of DA at this stage. 

 

I didn't say anything about playing the character in this role; I simply commented that the Inquisitor can still do this, and seemingly is going to do this as of Trespasser.

 

I don't see the point of comparing Meredith to Loghain, because my point was that the mage Templar conflict rising up in Kirkwall was building long before the Hawke family even got there. But it's funny that you mention that, because Loghain was a chump that, despite his accolades, failed to rally the people to him and had a civil war on his hands that he couldn't handle himself. 

 

Obviously, any character that attacks the PC would die, be it the Warden, Hawke, the Inquisitor, Shepard, whatever. The point is that they'd still have to kill their so-called friend, just like the Inquisitor does if Iron Bull turns on the Inquisitor in Trespasser, because Qunari are simply not trustworthy. 

 

Some people have a very selective memory of DA2's story. The first grave mistake Varric made in DA2 was putting any kind of trust in his brother, who, you know, betrays him and leaves him for dead in the ancient thaig. If not for Hawke & co. to help fight off the rock wraiths and find another way out, he'd be dead. I'm sure there's some sort of meta-gymnastics that could somehow make Varric's rotten family Hawke's fault, but I'm not sure how well one could stick the landing. Whether or not you like the character won't change the facts of the story.

 

The archdemon's greatest power lies in its ability to command the entirety of the darkspawn horde, and cheat death by passing on to another darkspawn should the dragon be killed. There's nothing to indicate that the dragon body itself is any more formidable than other high dragons. Every PC is perfectly proficient at killing dragons. The Inquisitor practically makes it a hobby. I don't see how Flemeth is really relevant, because any of the characters could have killed the dragon. Flemeth would still cheat her way out of death anyhow, just like Corypheus did at the Warden prison, despite Hawke actually killing Corypheus' physical body. Even if she killed Larius or Janeka, he'd just jump to some other blighted creature nearby and be on his way, which there would be a lot of where they were. Funnily though, here the Warden would be a potential meat suit and a liability, considering the connection to the Blight. 

 

The only faction whose existence you really have any control over in its entirety is the Dalish. The Warden must do favors for either Harrowmont or Bhelen to get them on board, and losing Redcliffe doesn't really make much of a difference at all. You still have to fetch ashes to save beardy. With the Circle, killing the mages is doing the Templars' dirty work, and helping the mages is still doing the Templars' dirty work. Either way, the Templars are alive, so you can either get the mages if you save them, or the Templars if you purge the Circle. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Ah, so what you're saying is you have no idea what you're talking about.  Now that I realize that, I can ignore you.

No,what i'm saying is that Hawke was an oblivious moron into opening the crypt in which Corypheus was locked,thus make Hawke responsible for the breach no less than Solas since Hawke destroyed all the seals at each level of the prison without knowing what was going on.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

If the writers made the prison impossible to escape without breaking the seals, then it's simply not possible to leave Corypheus in that prison without simply staying trapped there along with him. You can't argue that it's possible based on what they could have written. 

 

No character there claimed it would be easy, but more importantly, they had no choice. It doesn't matter how contrived one thinks the setup is; Hawke & co's only options are either fight their way out, or stay there and die. Whatever reasons the Wardens may have to force Hawke's father to seal Corypheus away are irrelevant at that point. 

 

 

 

 

 

Malcolm would have been forced to remain and die there since he didn't destroy the seals but in no point is stated that Malcolm died there.

Of course that's the difference between those who did know what they are doing and  those who do not.

 

-Let's just say that Malcolm was someone that had a door in front of him that locked his passage,he simply reinforced the door  then used the key to exit and then he closed the door .

 

 

-His eldest instead didn't know how the door worked so his/her decision was to destroy the door and doom the world.

[Dai Grepher]

In Darkspawn Chronicles wardens or rather Alistair fails to stop blight and Archdemon wins destroying Ferelden , what happened later is never shown.

 

I wouldn't say that human mage is an exception he is the same Amell just born as woman/man , though magi origins have kid of exception that is elven mage that came from different family. 

 

The world is destroyed. Think about it. Corypheus gets released or breaks free a few years later. He works with Urthemiel to destroy everything, including Solas. He gets the eluvian, if not the orb, enters the Fade, breaches the Black City, and there you go.

 

I don't think it's the same Amell. I think having at least one sibling means they can be interchangeable. I also think DA2 said these kids were mages. If so, then they were all in the same situation, and swapping out who goes where works for the setting in Origins.

 

I agree that Corypheus and the rest of the Sidereal are darkspawn. They aren't just sickened or blighted by the taint, they are the source of it. Their being was completely twisted. Origins' prologue calls them the first darkspawn. Ghouls are just whatever race made sick and disheveled. They eventually die from the taint. The only ghoul that becomes an official darkspawn is the broodmother, because again, completely twisted. A transformation. The Magisters went through a transformation of their own.

[Ashagar]

The wardens would have slain the arch-demon eventually and Corypheus was working for his own aims not the darkspawn, he likely would have opposed the hordes to protect his own plans which would have been wrecked by the blight. Also Solas would enacting his own plans. The Mage-Templar war and some other conflicts likely wouldn't have happened though because pretty much everyone would be too busy fighting the darkspawn except for the Tevinter and Qunari.