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[Endee]

Fen'Harel wants to destroy the world and only he/she can save Thedas now. You guessed it right. Only the strongest, most badass and the most powerful person can save the world now and it is none other than the Hero of Ferelden. After 2 mediocre standalone games in the world of Thedas, it is time for Bioware to give us the sequel that the best fantasy game of all time deserves. It is time to give us Dragon Age: Origins 2. Please stop wasting our time with lame heroes like Hawke and Inquisitor. Bring the Warden back.

The only thing that made the Warden somewhat special was the fact that s/he had the taint, and that doesn't exactly make them unique either (as opposed to the Inquisitor who does have vital and unique powers). There is NOTHING else that implies that they are more powerful or skilled than Hawke/Quizzy have the potential to be. I also feel that Solas is on a whole different level than Mythal/Flemeth ever was, so the Warden defeating (but clearly not killing) Flemeth in DAO says little imo.

 

I honestly do not understand people's infatuation with the Warden and I'm glad that Bioware considers the Warden dead in their default world state. The HoF had their story, just like Hawke did. The Inquisitor's story obviously isn't over yet. I suspect (and hope) the Quizzy will return as an advisor type character to the new PC. You can whine about not liking the Inquisitor all you like, all the evidence points towards them returning in DA4, they're too personally involved with Solas not to, especially if he was romanced... as opposed to the HoF, who has absolutely NOTHING to do with Solas.

 

Solas has no control over the Blight or the darkspawn or anything relating to it, so the one thing that makes the Warden special would have no effect on Solas anyway. Also, the whole bit about the Warden trying to locate a cure for the taint - which I believe Bioware put in there to make all the Warden fans begging for their return to finally shut up about the Warden - which would remove the one and only thing that makes him/her special. Without that, they're just another warrior/rogue/mage... experienced, yes, but definitely no more experienced than the Inquisitor is.

 

Meredith is nothing compared to Teryn Loghain. If DA2 Anders was in my Warden's party, my Warden would either keep him under control or kill him before he does anything stupid. Same with Isabela. If the Qun demanded Sten kill my Warden, he would try it and die during the attempt. Many people wanted to kill the Warden and they all shared the same fate. Sten is nothing compared to my Warden.

 

As for Corypheus, even if he did escape, my Warden would not rest until he is dead for good. My Warden always finishes what he/she starts and doesn't leave it to others to correct his/her mistakes.

Fixed it for you. Your Warden is not my Warden or anyone else's Warden. Don't make it sound like the way your Warden reacts to things or does things is the default, that's like trying to make your opinion fact.

My Warden would have helped Anders, like my Hawke did.

[CoM Solaufein]

My Inky would lay waste to my Warden. Only my Inky could set things right with dear old Solas.

[Dai Grepher]

The only thing that made the Warden somewhat special was the fact that s/he had the taint, and that doesn't exactly make them unique either (as opposed to the Inquisitor who does have vital and unique powers). There is NOTHING else that implies that they are more powerful or skilled than Hawke/Quizzy have the potential to be. I also feel that Solas is on a whole different level than Mythal/Flemeth ever was, so the Warden defeating (but clearly not killing) Flemeth in DAO says little imo.

 

I honestly do not understand people's infatuation with the Warden and I'm glad that Bioware considers the Warden dead in their default world state. The HoF had their story, just like Hawke did. The Inquisitor's story obviously isn't over yet. I suspect (and hope) the Quizzy will return as an advisor type character to the new PC. You can whine about not liking the Inquisitor all you like, all the evidence points towards them returning in DA4, they're too personally involved with Solas not to, especially if he was romanced... as opposed to the HoF, who has absolutely NOTHING to do with Solas.

 

Solas has no control over the Blight or the darkspawn or anything relating to it, so the one thing that makes the Warden special would have no effect on Solas anyway. Also, the whole bit about the Warden trying to locate a cure for the taint - which I believe Bioware put in there to make all the Warden fans begging for their return to finally shut up about the Warden - which would remove the one and only thing that makes him/her special. Without that, they're just another warrior/rogue/mage... experienced, yes, but definitely no more experienced than the Inquisitor is.

 

Fixed it for you. Your Warden is not my Warden or anyone else's Warden. Don't make it sound like the way your Warden reacts to things or does things is the default, that's like trying to make your opinion fact.

My Warden would have helped Anders, like my Hawke did.

 

I don't think it was the taint. It was the ability to fight as well as the ability to unite people. But regarding the taint, the Hero could possibly have better mastery over it thanks to Avernus' Alchemic Concoction. The Hero is also tied to multiple storylines. Many Hero's are a joint-ruling monarch of Ferelden. Which means he or she commands a great deal of resources.

 

I think the "infatuation" is that the Hero of Ferelden is the Dragon Age series for most. The Hero provides a connection between the player and the game world. It was our first connection. The reason we took interest in the series to begin with. Seeing as how Gaider's novel only came out about two weeks before the game did, I would say the book did little to encourage people to play the game. More like the other way around. As for the (ex)Inquisitor's story not being over, both Origins and Awakening stated the same thing about the Hero. The Hero might have nothing to do with Solas, but every living Hero has everything to do with the world that Solas seeks to destroy. The Hero also has possible connections to Morrigan, who could have drank from the Well, and also Kieran who may play some role if he ever had the old god soul. Same with Leliana, who could be Divine, or just helping the (ex)Inquisitor.

 

If Solas has no control over the taint, then wouldn't this give the Hero a secret weapon to use against Solas? The Cure quest was to remove the Hero from the events of DA:I because BioWare was lazy and because the Hero's involvement would solve most of the problems in the game without the Inquisitor, or else the Hero would seem incompetent, which would anger many fans. The Cure itself could have major storyline implications. It might cure any ailment, or it might remove Mythal's compulsion from whoever has it.

 

If you think the Hero is nothing, you must not have played Awakening and seen the Spirit Warrior or Legionnaire Scout specializations. Also don't forget that the (ex)Inquisitor could be absolutely powerless. So if you think he can return minus an arm and the Inquisition, then why not the Hero? Also, Origins is set up to have the Hero be powerful no matter what. You always level up first, which means you're always ahead of your companions. If you lived, you always do Awakening, Golems, and Witch Hunt no matter what. Which means you are always going to be a high level, and logically BioWare is also stating that attribute points, skill points, and talent/spell points were fully distributed. Even if you built your character to have the weakest talents or spells, the character will still be powerful in their own right, which makes them a prime candidate for the (ex)Inquisitor's "People he doesn't know" group.

[Ashagar]

Other than the fact that sending one of the most famous people in southern thadas into Tevinter seems like a daft idea. The Hero assuming they are alive, they are quite dead for some is someone would not be unknown to Solas even if they hadn't personally encountered them. Random bandits take one look at them and know who they are how you expect Solas to not?

 

I would prefer someone from the north preferably a Tevinter in the next game and we have clear break from southern Thadas. I will be quite happy if I hardly see another Ferelden, Orlaisian or free marcher in the next game or next several games as we explore Tevinter, Navarra, Rivan and the Anderfels.

[BBMorti]

The warden commander might be a caliber of his own, compared to Hawke and the inq, but he/she is also getting older. Besides the way Bioware treats their Icons (Revan) I would prefer they let the HoF alone, completely.

 

Let that inq grow a new arm or create a new protagonist, I say.

[Dai Grepher]

Yeah, get a new protagonist, but allow the first one to return as well.

 

Other than the fact that sending one of the most famous people in southern thadas into Tevinter seems like a daft idea. The Hero assuming they are alive, they are quite dead for some is someone would not be unknown to Solas even if they hadn't personally encountered them. Random bandits take one look at them and know who they are how you expect Solas to not?

 

I would prefer someone from the north preferably a Tevinter in the next game and we have clear break from southern Thadas. I will be quite happy if I hardly see another Ferelden, Orlaisian or free marcher in the next game or next several games as we explore Tevinter, Navarra, Rivan and the Anderfels.

 

The last Solas saw of the Hero of Ferelden, he was lighting a signal fire and getting knocked out (likely by Flemeth). He has greatly improved since then, and might be the key to foiling his plans through various connections, various abilities, or the Cure itself.

 

Being a visible and easily recognized person can be an advantage. It could distract from others being noticed, others such as the (ex)Inquisitor or the Champion.

[ExelArtz]

Naw, my Warden was weak, and boring, and also dead. Hawke is dead too.

 

Guess Inky is gonna have to save the day again!

How is your Hawke character dead fanfiction?

[Abyss108]

How is your Hawke character dead fanfiction?

 

Uh, left in the fade? 

[Dai Grepher]

^Show me the body. Whoever is left in the Fade is likely possessed by the Nightmare for the next game.

[Abyss108]

^Show me the body. Whoever is left in the Fade is likely possessed by the Nightmare for the next game.

 

It's possible, but until we have proof of that I'm going to accept what the game specifically tells me is the most likely option.

[Dai Grepher]

Fair enough.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

OMG there is one already...The Warden and zombie army!

Spoiler

This is way sometime i dislike fanfic crap,they make me turn the stomach.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

^Show me the body. Whoever is left in the Fade is likely possessed by the Nightmare for the next game.

Bioware operate under a policy of giving content to popular characters. This is literally the only way a character can hope for meaningful content.

Having an advocate on the writing staff also helps a character (for which characters like Leliana, Liara and Zevran have profited greatly).

 

But if a character is unpopular, then its the scrap heap for them. Bioware have proven time and again that they cut unpopular content, they don't refine it. So if a character happens to be optional *and* unpopular... forget about ever seeing them again!

 

Those left bheind are 80%   dead because:

Aside from Hake and Stroud they were already non mandatory and possibly dead in DAO (Alistair,Loghain)

Stroud is an unpopular character forget to see him again he was just a plot device for those who didnìt had Loghain or Alistair.

Hawke was not super popular and now s/he is also optional forget to see the champion again.

[vertigomez]

^Show me the body. Whoever is left in the Fade is likely possessed by the Nightmare for the next game.

Damn. That'd be badass.

[KaiserShep]

The warden commander might be a caliber of his own, compared to Hawke and the inq, but he/she is also getting older. Besides the way Bioware treats their Icons (Revan) I would prefer they let the HoF alone, completely.
 
Let that inq grow a new arm or create a new protagonist, I say.

I wouldn't compare the DA PC's to Revan. Besides, Hawke's return pretty much shows that BioWare can easily avoid fixing the character into one gender/class.

[Dai Grepher]

 

Bioware operate under a policy of giving content to popular characters. This is literally the only way a character can hope for meaningful content.

Having an advocate on the writing staff also helps a character (for which characters like Leliana, Liara and Zevran have profited greatly).

 

But if a character is unpopular, then its the scrap heap for them. Bioware have proven time and again that they cut unpopular content, they don't refine it. So if a character happens to be optional *and* unpopular... forget about ever seeing them again!

 

Those left bheind are 80%   dead because:

Aside from Hake and Stroud they were already non mandatory and possibly dead in DAO (Alistair,Loghain)

Stroud is an unpopular character forget to see him again he was just a plot device for those who didnìt had Loghain or Alistair.

Hawke was not super popular and now s/he is also optional forget to see the champion again.

 

 

But Hawke was brought back for Inquisition when many fans disliked that character since DA2. Why didn't BioWare simply drop that character along with the other "unpopular" characters? I think Alistair is pretty popular among the fans, particularly female fans. Even Loghain has a fanbase. But if they are unpopular then why bring them back at all?

 

It seems BioWare didn't do for Inquisition what you said they're doing now for future games.

 

Regardless of optional content or character popularity, we are talking a storyline element here. If the one left behind in the Fade is possessed and becomes an enemy, then that will be a major plot with a huge gameplay benefit. This would also contribute to replay value.

[Dai Grepher]

Damn. That'd be badass.

 

Thanks. I think so too. I imagine the Nightmare wielding a weapon that resembles it's own form, but using the body of the one who was left behind to use that weapon, and that person is under the Nightmare's control. For Stroud/Alistair/Loghain, the Nightmare could have a sword similar to the one in Trespasser that has an eye and teeth growing out of it. Hawke would have weapons custom to his or her class and preferred skillset. A bow, daggers, 2H sword, or a mage staff, and of course the same option as the Wardens if Hawke was S&S.

 

I also think each could have someone from their past show up to stop them, and they could play the controlled character's memories against them. Like if Alistair is possessed and romanced the female Hero in Origins, she shows up and the Nightmare uses their connection against the Hero. Or whoever Hawke romanced in DA2, or their surviving sibling. Possessed Loghain could have Anora show up. Stroud could have Hawke, Varric, or if the sibling was made a Grey Warden.

[ModernAcademic]

I'll never understand this idea of there can only be one guy/lady to save the world instead of a group of people that pull resources and do their best to work together to try and find a solution.

[KaiserShep]

Thanks. I think so too. I imagine the Nightmare wielding a weapon that resembles it's own form, but using the body of the one who was left behind to use that weapon, and that person is under the Nightmare's control. For Stroud/Alistair/Loghain, the Nightmare could have a sword similar to the one in Trespasser that has an eye and teeth growing out of it. Hawke would have weapons custom to his or her class and preferred skillset. A bow, daggers, 2H sword, or a mage staff, and of course the same option as the Wardens if Hawke was S&S.

 

I also think each could have someone from their past show up to stop them, and they could play the controlled character's memories against them. Like if Alistair is possessed and romanced the female Hero in Origins, she shows up and the Nightmare uses their connection against the Hero. Or whoever Hawke romanced in DA2, or their surviving sibling. Possessed Loghain could have Anora show up. Stroud could have Hawke, Varric, or if the sibling was made a Grey Warden.

 

Putting aside that I don't particularly care for this concept, it's worth noting that the fact that one of the characters involved has been customizable in two games makes this even more problematic, unless the game solved this problem with imports, which would presumably only be available for those who have the game on the same platform. 

[Dai Grepher]

Putting aside that I don't particularly care for this concept, it's worth noting that the fact that one of the characters involved has been customizable in two games makes this even more problematic, unless the game solved this problem with imports, which would presumably only be available for those who have the game on the same platform. 

 

But you would need this for the (ex)Inquisitor anyway, right? Presumably, BioWare is going to stick with Frostbite4. It would be idiotic not to after all they put into developing it to suit their needs. In which case, importing the head data for Hawke and the (ex)Inquisitor (and the Hero of Ferelden) should be cake.

[Nixou]

This is way sometime i dislike fanfic crap,they make me turn the stomach.

 

 

Four to five characters in this video are zombies canonically.

 

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I'll never understand this idea of there can only be one guy/lady to save the world instead of a group of people that pull resources and do their best to work together to try and find a solution.

 

 

Two words:

1. Power
2. Fantasy

[VorexRyder]

Except that the Warden might be too old for this sh*t, considering it's been already 12 years, and who knows when DA4 will take place It might even be very far away in time

Don't get me wrong I love my Cousland, but I think she's definitely retired If the Calling hasn't reached her yet, that is.. :S

What Calling? Avernus solved that quite handily.

[thepiebaker]

What Calling? Avernus solved that quite handily.

Avernus still experienced it... he just ignored it and managed not to delay going bonkers/turning into a goul. You could physically see it eating at him.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Avernus still experienced it... he just ignored it and managed not to delay going bonkers/turning into a goul. You could physically see it eating at him.

Not rly , Avernus delayed it for 200+ years , if Avernus just ignored Calling he would be ghoul and he wasn't.

[Dai Grepher]

The Calling is the old god song, not the advanced stages of ghoulification. Avernus greatly delayed ghoulification for sure, and I think he says he put of the Calling as well, but not forever. He will begin to hear the Calling soon, and wants to finish his work before that happens. Once you start hearing the Calling, it's a sign that you're going to start turning into a ghoul.

 

The real question is why didn't the demon possessing Sophia's body hear the Calling? Maybe the Joining is linked to the person's soul as well as the body.