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[Undead Han]

I agree. Love to unwrap my gifts. 

 

 

^ waifu

 

Finding girl in heavier armor is impossible if you're looking in sci-fi. It's mix of bondage with few armor plating on arms. If you want to be desirable it's great but with this much of coverage you will be only desirable for necrophils because you will be dead! Perhaps I'm just picky and future is bdsm. :|

 

I like that on the whole, body armor in the Mass Effect universe isn't overly bulky and characters of both genders don't look like walking tanks. There are some exceptions, like one of Vega's armor choices and the armor worn by Cerberus troopers, but I'd be fine if those heavier types didn't make a return. Besides just not looking as cool as the lighter armor designs like this, this, this, or this, I have trouble suspending disbelief for the walking tank armors. They look far too heavy to ever be practical for military use. Mobility is just as important as protection, if not more so.

[Lady Artifice]

I remember that "Bring back boob plate armor," thread very clearly. Such a ridiculous name, and the thing ended up inspirious serious discussions of both realism and sexualization for well over a hundred pages. I learned a lot about medievel armor, too.

 

I'm staunchly on the side of preferring more form fitting armor, mostly because of how often I play stealth snipers or spellcasters, and I think it usually looks more elegant.

 

Better looking > realistic for me, but even if it didn't, I think Han is right that bulkier doesn't always equate to "more realistic."

 

On the other hand, there are characters for whom heavy armor just seems right. I'd pick sleek armor over heavy, but I'd also pick having both over having only one.

[Steelcan]

I remember that "Bring back boob plate armor," thread very clearly. Such a ridiculous name, and the thing ended up inspirious serious discussions of both realism and sexualization for well over a hundred pages. I learned a lot about medievel armor, too.

 

I'm staunchly on the side of preferring more form fitting armour, mostly because of how often I play stealth snipers or spellcasters, and I think it usually looks more elegant.

 

Better looking > realistic for me, but even if it didn't, I think Han is right that bulkier doesn't always equate to realism.

 

On the other hand, there are characters for whom heavy armor just seems right. I'd pick sleek armor over heavy, but I'd also pick having both over having only one.

I support form fitting suits for the less soldiery characters.

 

 

Otherwise I like the heavily armored look

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Alls I can say is that I want them to keep something reminiscent of the modular system we had in ME2 and ME3, but open it up to the other squadmembers. It was some of the best looking armor I've ever seen in a game like ME.

[Panda]

I remember that "Bring back boob plate armor," thread very clearly. Such a ridiculous name, and the thing ended up inspirious serious discussions of both realism and sexualization for well over a hundred pages. I learned a lot about medievel armor, too.

 

I'm staunchly on the side of preferring more form fitting armour, mostly because of how often I play stealth snipers or spellcasters, and I think it usually looks more elegant.

 

Better looking > realistic for me, but even if it didn't, I think Han is right that bulkier doesn't always equate to realism.

 

On the other hand, there are characters for whom heavy armor just seems right. I'd pick sleek armor over heavy, but I'd also pick having both over having only one.

 

To me it's all about design, heavy and slender can both look good or bad, same with boob plates and realism. I find that better looking is too often used as excuse- not by you, just generally- for badly designed armor that is just put together to bring some fanservice into game or to show that game has female characters. Like sometimes it feels like developers have just taken male armors and slapped some boob cups on them or used some scissors to just cut the female ver. to be more revealing and sexy.

[SardaukarElite]

 

They look far too heavy to ever be practical for military use. Mobility is just as important as protection, if not more so.

 

I always find myself wondering 'how much more expensive is the armor than a rocket that could penetrate it?'. 

 

I remember that "Bring back boob plate armor," thread very clearly. 

 

Never forget.

[Seraphim24]

You know you can be sort of neither super stylish or conservative and/or hyperrealistic, there's middle ground.

 

 

Enjoyed Thana Vesh in SWTOR

 

[SentinelMacDeath]

ME is usually not bad with female armor, they do a good job most of the time and then they also drop the ball (especially on the Asari... I get it, they are attractive and have boobies, now stop it with the cleavages) 

[NKnight7]

I remember that "Bring back boob plate armor," thread very clearly. Such a ridiculous name, and the thing ended up inspirious serious discussions of both realism and sexualization for well over a hundred pages. I learned a lot about medievel armor, too.

 

I'm staunchly on the side of preferring more form fitting armour, mostly because of how often I play stealth snipers or spellcasters, and I think it usually looks more elegant.

 

Better looking > realistic for me, but even if it didn't, I think Han is right that bulkier doesn't always equate to realism.

 

On the other hand, there are characters for whom heavy armor just seems right. I'd pick sleek armor over heavy, but I'd also pick having both over having only one.

 

I remember that thread too. Both funny and informative. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

you always get plate bikinis and lots of boobage but you never get this and it's a shame

 

[NKnight7]

you always get plate bikinis and lots of boobage but you never get this and it's a shame

 

 

 

Wow, that's...something.

[Lady Artifice]

To me it's all about design, heavy and slender can both look good or bad, same with boob plates and realism. I find that better looking is too often used as excuse- not by you, just generally- for badly designed armor that is just put together to bring some fanservice into game or to show that game has female characters. Like sometimes it feels like developers have just taken male armors and slapped some boob cups on them or used some scissors to just cut the female ver. to be more revealing and sexy.

 

What are a few of the examples you'd consider most egregious? 

 

What I find fascinating about this issue is how many variables can steer people's preferences and opinions. There are people who go by exclusively what they find most believable in combat, or what they think looks the coolest, what avoids fan service the most, or what provides it. And there's such a wide range for every one of those. Some people think fan serve is wholly and consistently bad while others think the answer is to distribute fan service more evenly between genders. I think that was what made that thread so interesting. It seemed like no two posters had quite the same opinion. 

[slimgrin]

ME is usually not bad with female armor, they do a good job most of the time and then they also drop the ball (especially on the Asari... I get it, they are attractive and have boobies, now stop it with the cleavages) 

 

Quit **** shaming the Asari.

[Seraphim24]

Well, the reason there are these conflicts is because the femininazis have this odd tendency to lump everything into a single category, images of breasts/butt/skin = extreme objectification = empowering the patriarchy = your a terrible person.

 

Anyway, gamers in general in my experience or at least fans of anime and comics tend to be less interested in those dynamics, male or female.

 

As far as Mass Effect goes, it clearly seems tethered to some notions of this or that as drifted through the gaming spheres or blogs or whatever, but also it's independent thing.

 

I think the Thana Vesh thing is my baseline because even though there isn't any skin showing it feels sexual, it's like, skintight, the designs seem to be focused on vital elements of her body... it seems to represent their perspective quite well.

[SentinelMacDeath]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm no prude by any means and if a woman wants to go out in the nude so be it. It would be none of my business anyways. 

 

What I do not care for is that the only characters all sexed up in games are women. It's always the women. You don't get to see armor with a six pack cutout f.e. or a shirt with a plunging neckline down the naval on a male character. The closest they had in ME was Vega with his super tight shirt but it's still not the same. 

 

You get bombarded with ****** and ass so much every day. It's literally everywhere and sometimes I just need a break from it. Then you start up a game and BAM ... same sh*t again. 

 

As for GoT ... I've seen less vag and boob in softcore porn but how many weiners do you get to see in return? There's not even that much male bare chest action either. 

 

And I highly doubt this whole discussion is about purity. It's more along the lines of "is this really necessary?"

Allers could have worn some pants and a shirt and it would have been fitting in the setting since she was on a battle cruiser during war time, instead they put her in the tiniest dress. 

 

Benezia's neckline was so low and her breast were so big that it ventured into the land of comedy. Not even the Asari exotic dancers had a neckline that low.

Same goes for Samara. 

 

The need for "modesty", I guess, comes from the onslaught of nudity everywhere. Nudity can be very much tiresome and I personally am very tired of it in games. It's been going on for years and it's so frustrating. 

 

but that's just my opinion, carry on

[Panda]

What are a few of the examples you'd consider most egregious? 

 

What I find fascinating about this issue is how many variables can steer people's preferences and opinions. There are people who go by exclusively what they find most believable in combat, or what they think looks the coolest, what avoids fan service the most, or what provides it. And there's such a wide range for every one of those. Some people think fan serve is wholly and consistently bad while others think the answer is to distribute fan service more evenly between genders. I think that was what made that thread so interesting. It seemed like no two posters had quite the same opinion. 

 

In general Korean and Chinese MMORPG's, if you are playing as female character you are simply walking fanservice for male players due to what you are wearing.

 

http://vignette1.wik...&path-prefix=es

 

https://pp1mt.files....emalearmor2.png

 

The male armor in this one is kinda sexy as well, but the female armor just takes it a another level.

 

Of course there is this as well, where female armor is redesigned from male armor by cutting armor that covers whole body until only your genitalia is somewhat covered.

 

http://40.media.tumb...jzgqyo1_500.jpg

 

Then on terms of slapping on boob cubs on male armor, I was actually thinking Reckoning: Kingdoms of Amalur when writing it cause I thought lot of female armors were ruined aesthetically with boob cups.

 

http://vignette3.wik...=20120322112809

 

http://vignette4.wik...=20120330224718

 

I mean most of Amalur's armors look quite bad on female character cause they are just male armors with big balls slapped on the chest part. It's kinda in your face and doesn't look good to me.

 

In general I don't think sexy female versions of armors look good or that boob cub versions look good either and it often seems that developers are just making fanservice versions of male armors for female characters to wear. And when I'm teenager girl wanting to play MMORPG.. I don't want to wear that. I want to be excited when getting higher level and being able to wear cool new armor- not anxious on how my characters is heading more and more towards bikini selection. That is just my experience though.

 

Umm not sure if that is what you wanted though so ask me to elaborate more if not ^^ Though I hope this doesn't turn into fighting thread about female armor, those tend to get heated.

 

Off-topic: It's annoying how this site doesn't allow you to post .png pictures...

[Panda]

<snip>

 

I disagree. I simply haven't met feminist that would be very puritian myself and nobody does smuttier fanfiction and fanart than feminists ^^;

 

Like the purpose of feminism on society, I think what people are looking for with complaints is simply equality.

[Calders]

I disagree. I simply haven't met feminist that would be very puritian myself and nobody does smuttier fanfiction and fanart than feminists

What feminists are trying to do is portray male sexuality as dirty, perverted and oppressive and female sexuality as liberating and natural. This enables them to portray women as victims and men as oppressors and so justiff their own existence. Of coures it should be equal but we should also accept that for a majority male sexuality and female sexuality work differently.

In any case let's hope they keep Mass Effect sexy cos it's more fun that way.

[Lady Artifice]

I make a remark about how varied and personal different people's perspective on a thing can be. Theorizing about why and how large groups think a certain way ensues. 

 

Oh boy, are there a lot of things I want to say right now.

 

But I'm going to practice discipline and not say them, because this thread is not about feminism. And I would like it if we didn't become entrenched in a discussion about politics, feminist or otherwise.

[SentinelMacDeath]

What feminists are trying to do is portray male sexuality as dirty, perverted and oppressive and female sexuality as liberating and natural. This enables them to portray women as victims and men as oppressors and so justiff their own existence. Of coures it should be equal but we should also accept that for a majority male sexuality and female sexuality work differently.
In any case let's hope they keep Mass Effect sexy cos it's more fun that way.

This is so wrong on so many accounts I don't even know where to start. And I'm not gonna but damn....

[Shechinah]

In general Korean and Chinese MMORPG's, if you are playing as female character you are simply walking fanservice for male players due to what you are wearing.

 

https://pp1mt.files....emalearmor2.png

 

Disregarding how armor differences like this tends to break my immersion, armor designed like this always additionally seems so generic to me  Often it seems more like a portion of armor were carved out from an existing design to expose skin rather than the armor having always intended to combine armor and skin as a design. 

 

It is not very visually interesting to me is what I'm saying and is a very disappointing as well as very boring design because of this to me. 

 

The armor also makes me uncomfortable because not only does it look cold but it also looks like it would chafe like you wouldn't believe. It is the same reason why I have to headcanon that Miranda's suit has cups for her buttocks or is shaped to fit her behind like a plastic mold because otherwise that looks beyond uncomfortably tight. Ouch.  
 

[Shechinah]

In general Korean and Chinese MMORPG's, if you are playing as female character you are simply walking fanservice for male players due to what you are wearing.

 

http://vignette1.wik...&path-prefix=es

 

This design difference seems a bit odd to me because the male version seems to indicate a very young age judging by the face of the character as well as the shortened pants and semi-large boots that are incorporated into the armor's design which gives a child-like appearance. 

 

The female version, however, seems to indicate a different age even without taking into account that the charater seems to be wearing lipstick. Her chestpiece is separated from her navel-piece and combined with the contrast created by the exposed skin versus the black cloth, this seems to place an emphasis on her breasts.

 

Basically, the differences in design also creates a percieved difference in age, in my opinion. I may be mistaken as to the ages of the characters, however, as this is based on the design alone.  
 

[Lady Artifice]

Then on terms of slapping on boob cubs on male armor, I was actually thinking Reckoning: Kingdoms of Amalur when writing it cause I thought lot of female armors were ruined aesthetically with boob cups.

 

http://vignette3.wik...=20120322112809

 

http://vignette4.wik...=20120330224718

 

 

Sorry for the snip. I think you chose a particularly good example here, because that's one of those armors that has actual breast cups and it looks very bad.

 

It reminds me of the steel plate armor in Skyrim. I don't think it's designed to be fanservice. The way they shaped the breast plate around actual breasts just happened to be really ugly. 

 

 

"Hello, these are my torpedoes." 

[Steelcan]

we all know that the worst part of that outfit is the helmet, it just doesn't match up to the rest of the badass plate

[Lady Artifice]

we all know that the worst part of that outfit is the helmet, it just doesn't match up to the rest of the badass plate

 

Sufficiently muscular and intimidating body. Itty bitty peanut head.