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[Shechinah]

Of course there is this as well, where female armor is redesigned from male armor by cutting armor that covers whole body until only your genitalia is somewhat covered.

 

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The male version of this design looks awesome, in my opinion, because the armor seems to have a theme that the subdued colors and the details work together to show. The details alone could have made the armor seem terrible because of how it cluttered it could have been but because of how the details are set and integrated, they do not seem to clutter, in my opinion.

 

To explain a bit further; The separation of the lighter shade of lilac on the upper armor and the darker shade of purple on the lower armor can give a sense of representing virtue and vice respectively. The upper and lighter color combined with the gold and cloud-like shoulderpads can seem to indicate a connection to heaven - divinity basically while the lower and darker with less or darker gold combined with a slightly demonic-looking belt buckle can seem to indicate a connection to hell or evil. The darker or subdued color of gold in the lower armor not only blends well with the darker shade of purple but can also give a sense of sullied gold.

 

The gold by the belt buckle helps ensure that different color schemes and design choices of the upper and lower work by creating a framework of the same color that runs throughout the armor without clashing with the rest of the design. The gold by the belt bucket also brings out the demon buckle.

 

Basically, it invokes a sense of awesome like your character are about to lay down some divine law. Give the item a hooded mask and a divine hammer to boot and it'd be even better, in my opinion.
 

The female version, however, seems boring on it's own lack of visual merits, in my opinion but when compared to the male version, it becomes monumentally boring visually because it does not seem to have a theme, it's subdued color palette makes it seem dull and as I've mentioned before, it looks like the design had armor removed as oppose to the design having always been intended to be a blend of skin and armor. It does not stand out like the male version does and does not convey the same sense of awesome  in my opinion. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

after living in Japan for over 3 years .. they have some lolita issues there. It's way creepy. The schoolgirls are not helping with it either. Went to Disneyland, took the escalator up and a group of 13-15 year olds were ahead of me, skirts hiked up so high that I had a front row seat for underwear viewing. Women only carts in trains because sexual assault is so common. You can call it an escape from the world they built but designing 18+ girls to look like they are barely 12 is still wrong to me and that whole thing reflects in their games. Korean games are no better. They make beautiful games but they are 100% fan service. 

[Shechinah]

Then on terms of slapping on boob cubs on male armor, I was actually thinking Reckoning: Kingdoms of Amalur when writing it cause I thought lot of female armors were ruined aesthetically with boob cups.

 

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I mean most of Amalur's armors look quite bad on female character cause they are just male armors with big balls slapped on the chest part. It's kinda in your face and doesn't look good to me.

 

 

The second one I like in design more or less but the breast cups is not only an unnecessarily addition but their size and color stand out from the rest of the design which is subdued and immersed in more or less darker colors. This ruins the upper armor design.

 

The color of the breast cups seems to be the same as the midsection piece but because they are surrounded by black and for some reason, seemingly framed with red, they stand out and so they clash with the overall subdued design. 

 

It would have been better, in my opinion, to either remove the breast cups aspect of the armor or have made them black like the rest of the chestpiece. 
 

[slimgrin]

I'd say Japan's view on sexuality is a hell of a lot healthier than the eternally oppressed west. I'l bet anything we don't get Asari strip clubs in Andromeda because muhsoggyknees. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

I'd say Japan's view on sexuality is a hell of a lot healthier than the eternally oppressed west. I'l bet anything we don't get Asari strip clubs in Andromeda because muhsoggyknees. 

 

it's really not, they are way more oppressed than one would think. You gotta live there to experience it, what washes over to the rest of the world is no indication on how healthy their view on sexuality is.  It's much worse than in the prude west actually. What you call oppressed west is really just the oppressed USA since Europe is much more open to sexuality. 

[Panda]

What feminists are trying to do is portray male sexuality as dirty, perverted and oppressive and female sexuality as liberating and natural. This enables them to portray women as victims and men as oppressors and so justiff their own existence. Of coures it should be equal but we should also accept that for a majority male sexuality and female sexuality work differently.

In any case let's hope they keep Mass Effect sexy cos it's more fun that way.

 

I think you are speaking male sexuality in terms of appealing female characters to men? And female sexuality as appealing male characters to women. Or am I misunderstanding you?

 

Disregarding how armor differences like this tends to break my immersion, armor designed like this always additionally seems so generic to me  Often it seems more like a portion of armor were carved out from an existing design to expose skin rather than the armor having always intended to combine armor and skin as a design. 

 

It is not very visually interesting to me is what I'm saying and is a very disappointing as well as very boring design because of this to me. 

 

The armor also makes me uncomfortable because not only does it look cold but it also looks like it would chafe like you wouldn't believe. It is the same reason why I have to headcanon that Miranda's suit has cups for her buttocks or is shaped to fit her behind like a plastic mold because otherwise that looks beyond uncomfortably tight. Ouch.  
 

 

Sexy metal armors aren't going for comfort nor practicality for sure ^^; Otherwise they wouldn't cover legs and arms while exposing skin on every other vital part; one slash on stomach or neck area and it would be end of female heroine. Though I don't mind inpracticality that much if it fits to overall art style of the game, but I would like the actual designs look at least cool/pretty then.

 

This design difference seems a bit odd to me because the male version seems to indicate a very young age judging by the face of the character as well as the shortened pants and semi-large boots that are incorporated into the armor's design which gives a child-like appearance. 

 

The female version, however, seems to indicate a different age even without taking into account that the charater seems to be wearing lipstick. Her chestpiece is separated from her navel-piece and combined with the contrast created by the exposed skin versus the black cloth, this seems to place an emphasis on her breasts.

 

Basically, the differences in design also creates a percieved difference in age, in my opinion. I may be mistaken as to the ages of the characters, however, as this is based on the design alone.  
 

 

I'm quite sure they are supposed to be same age. Those are some of outfits you can wear as player.

 

Sorry for the snip. I think you chose a particularly good example here, because that's one of those armors that has actual breast cups and it looks very bad.

 

It reminds me of the steel plate armor in Skyrim. I don't think it's designed to be fanservice. The way they shaped the breast plate around actual breasts just happened to be really ugly. 

 

 

"Hello, these are my torpedoes." 

 

Kingdoms of Amalur is just filled with ugly boob armors so it's quite good source. That outfit in Skyrim is quite hideous as well, boob part is quite distracting.

 

I don't like all armors that show that character has boobs though, I think Thor's armor is quite nicely put together:

 

[Shechinah]

One of the reasons why I am discussing the asethetic of the armor designs without drawing in the question of sexualisation is because, in my opinion, the armor designs tend to not work asethetically and little effort seem to have gone into their design. 

 

As visual enticement I still consider their designs lacking because of how generic and boring they tend to be visually to me: they do not catch my eye and if my eye happens to fall on them, there is nothing in the design that keeps my eye on them especially since some looks like designs created for clickbait ads.

[Shechinah]

If the skin exposure were similar in both the female and male versions then it would likely mess less with my immersion even if I'd still hold the same opinion of the asethetic of the design. When it is only one version, I tend to wonder what the in-universe explaination for their lack of armoring is: is female skin more durable and resilient than make skin and if it is, why?

[ModeratorsSuckBalls]

We need more of a mysterious dark 80s Sci-Fi vibe with crumbling structures and waring races against one another.

Heres some Concept art I found that fits Mass Effect Andromeda perfectly -

[Shechinah]

it's really not, they are way more oppressed than one would think. You gotta live there to experience it, what washes over to the rest of the world is no indication on how healthy their view on sexuality is.  It's much worse than in the prude west actually. What you call oppressed west is really just the oppressed USA since Europe is much more open to sexuality. 

 

People do seem like they sometimes tend to generalise cultural perceptions of sexual matters by basing their generalisation on one country. This is especially flawed considering that some countries are home to different cultures that has different opinions on the matters which sometimes manifest itself as some parts of the countries being strongly of set of mind and another part being strongly of a different set mind.

 

If even neighboring countries can have a stark different opinion on a thing, it is a tad silly to assume that a single country can always be used to indicate the opinion or similar opinion of not only their neighbor but their neighbor's neighbor.

 

My country, as an example, seem to have an attitude that is more or less not caring or rather not seeing a reason to care. It is basically along the lines of; It's there, sometimes we notice but mostly we do not. It tends to be treated with little difference than other things. We rarely talk or take notice of it because there is usually nothing to talk about or take notice of. 
 

[Lady Artifice]

I lolled at the suggestion that Japan is less sexually repressed than the west.

it's really not, they are way more oppressed than one would think. You gotta live there to experience it, what washes over to the rest of the world is no indication on how healthy their view on sexuality is.  It's much worse than in the prude west actually. What you call oppressed west is really just the oppressed USA since Europe is much more open to sexuality.

Yeah, it's an interesting dichotomy. It reminds me of prohibition in U.S. The more forbidden and stigmatized the thing is, the more culturally significant it becomes.

[Master Warder Z_]

it's really not, they are way more oppressed than one would think. You gotta live there to experience it, what washes over to the rest of the world is no indication on how healthy their view on sexuality is.  It's much worse than in the prude west actually. What you call oppressed west is really just the oppressed USA since Europe is much more open to sexuality. 

 

That said they still do executions by hanging, I'd say that is one cultural thing the west should have never dropped.

 

That or televised death by firing squad executions like China, I remember watching that video from like 2006 where they lined up five convicted pirates and blew their brains out for the world to see...surprise surprise piracy in the Chinese controlled waters dropped by like 15% over the next several years.

 

Asia is different, I think many people forget that, they view things from their own perspective and while the West and East have come closer in prior decades then they have in centuries past that remains more or less true. There are many different, in many aspects of life from religion to trivial things like tastes in food and literature.

 

Ultimately after being to Japan twice myself once for a extended period way back in 08 and 04 respectively I can say that on the matter of 'sexuality' their a moderate, there is no 'open' stigma against alternative life style choices, and they do acknowledge gay marriage, they don't do it themselves but their judicial system will honor marriages done overseas. In truth, I'd say that apart from being ridiculously expensive the place is pretty nice, It's got its own set of issues, politics, and what have you but that's anywhere. It's a diverse, cultured and modern country though.

 

The United States though which you called 'oppressed' is actually 'ahead' of Japan if you want to look at it in the light of 'legalization' I personally don't because I don't think rewriting laws, changes opinion but that's just a crazy thirty something year old Norwegian man whose living in Tennessee and fixing computers for a living take on it though.

[Lady Artifice]

We need more of a mysterious dark 80s Sci-Fi vibe with crumbling structures and waring races against one another.

Heres some Concept art I found that fits Mass Effect Andromeda perfectly -

 

 

 

I love these, especially numbers 2 and 4. 

 

About the dark, more mysterious sci-fi vibe, that sounds perfect. Those landscape images are beautiful. 

[AresKeith]

We need more of a mysterious dark 80s Sci-Fi vibe with crumbling structures and waring races against one another.

Heres some Concept art I found that fits Mass Effect Andromeda perfectly -

 

 

 

 

Out of 5 here #4 I can see as casual wear, the rest feels out of place to me

[Undead Han]

We need more of a mysterious dark 80s Sci-Fi vibe with crumbling structures and waring races against one another.

Heres some Concept art I found that fits Mass Effect Andromeda perfectly -

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not crazy about the armor designs...the female character has too much exposed skin for my tastes, sort of defeating the purpose of armor, and the male character seems a bit closer to Halo than Mass Effect, as far as aesthetics go. I prefer Mass Effect's armor design to Halo's, but I realize that personal preferences on armor design can very widely. 

 

Having said that, I thought the concept art for the cities you posted looked cool.

 

Hopefully we get some proper urban hubs this time. DA:I suffered from the lack of one, IMO. On that note I wouldn't mind something with a similar vibe to the Silversun Strip.

 

[Fixers0]

As for character field gear, I'd reccomend Bioware to go for functional and utilitarian, mostly unisex combat gear, something  like below will do nicely for me.

 

[Undead Han]

Hugo Boss did design nice uniforms. On that note, why do the bad guys always get the best looking uniforms?

 

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Total **** for Russian winters, though. Better to look drab, and be warm!  

[SentinelMacDeath]

Unisex uniforms all the way 

[SNascimento]

Rita Vrataski from Edge of Tomorrow is the best lesson on how to desgin a female soldier.

[Undead Han]

I'm cool with the female characters' dress uniforms being a little bit different from the men. I doubt Bioware's artists will go that route, since they didn't in the first three games other than the travesty that was Ashley's default uniform in ME3.

 

I think it would look better however if they gave the female characters' slightly different dress uniforms, so long as they could avoid going the catsuit route.

 

 

The above is a good example of what I mean. I don't think the women are sexualized, and I think they have a more smart appearance than if they had been wearing the exact same uniform as the men.

 

Utilities (the camo uniform) should be unisex though. Those are work clothes rather than formal attire, and I imagine are probably worn under the combat armor.

 

Also whether unisex or not...those dress uniforms need to start looking tailored, and less like the character donned a potato sack. 

[Shechinah]

Skirts should absolutely be optional, in my opinion, and I am not just saying that because I am still a bit bothered that some people kept trying to pressure me into wearing skirts when I was younger despite skirts being incredible inconviniant to me especially because of how aware I had to be when I was doing something as simply as trying to sit comfortably and the activities it precluded me from. 

 

Okay, maybe one of the reasons I am saying that is because I am still a bit bothered about it and by a bit bothered I mean if there is a uniform with a mandatory skirt then I'm leaving everybody to die even if it includes my own character. 

 

Note: The anger that may be detected in this post is not directed at you personally, Han Shot First. I thought I should mention that in case it came across like that. 

 

On a calmer bit, I think skirts and pants would be great options for those that like the respective look but I would find it displeasing if the uniforms have no unisex option avaliable.

[Panda]

I think I'd actually want Bioware just continue what they have done with Mass Effect in terms of main characters. Casual outfits could have been better yes- formal wear for female sheps as well, but the armors were good to me and I don't have nothing negative to say about those. N7 armor was great and I loved how customizable it was and some armor sets were nice as well.

 

What becomes to uniforms, well I'd rather female characters use pants or well some of them use my character included. Dresses to me are very unpractical and seeing school uniforms from other countries where girls have to wear dresses... I'm very happy to be born in country with no school uniforms ^^;

[slimgrin]

Skirts should absolutely be optional, in my opinion, and I am not just saying that because I am still a bit bothered that some people kept trying to pressure me into wearing skirts when I was younger despite skirts being incredible inconviniant to me especially because of how aware I had to be when I was doing something as simply as trying to sit comfortably and the activities it precluded me from. 

 

Okay, maybe one of the reasons I am saying that is because I am still a bit bothered about it and by a bit bothered I mean if there is a uniform with a mandatory skirt then I'm leaving everybody to die even if it includes my own character. 

 

Note: The anger that may be detected in this post is not directed at you personally, Han Shot First. I thought I should mention that in case it came across like that. 

 

What if skirts are the only option?

[Lady Artifice]

I'm not crazy about the armor designs...the female character has too much exposed skin for my tastes, sort of defeating the purpose of armor, and the male character seems a bit closer to Halo than Mass Effect, as far as aesthetics go. I prefer Mass Effect's armor design to Halo's, but I realize that personal preferences on armor design can very widely. 

 

Having said that, I thought the concept art for the cities you posted looked cool.

 

Hopefully we get some proper urban hubs this time. DA:I suffered from the lack of one, IMO. On that note I wouldn't mind something with a similar vibe to the Silversun Strip.

 

The issue of whether we'll have urban areas at all is one of my biggest concerns. I think DAI had some serious imbalance there, especially considering how much the game focused on politics and government. 

 

I want there to be advanced species in Andromeda so much. I could easily see exploration in this game be focused on nothing but wilderness. 

[Shechinah]

What if skirts are the only option?

 

Then humanity shall finally meets it's extinction in Mass Effect: Andromeda and all intelligent life may tremble that it was sheer spite over a fashion mandate that led to the extermination of an entire sentient race and all other life in the vacinity of humanity.

 

Also, I'd think less of Bioware.