1. Corypheus in Haven
2. Recue after Haven
3. Taming the dragon if you drink form the well.
4. Cullen major romance 1 - the on the desk scene.
5. Cullen magor Romance in the Skyhold Chapel after Arbor Wilds.
Those would be my top 5 but I also love the Wicked grace game, Iron Bull on the battlements if you save the Chargers, Prayer with Avaar woman, Meeting Ameridan, Vivienne in the Spa, Giving Bull a Dragon Skull.
Oh yeah, we all loved "the on the desk scene" xd Did not even have to mention
I'm going to leave Cullen romance scenes out because that would fill up the list pretty quickly 
I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but those are five off the top of my head.
On second thought, I think I'm wrong about the wardrobe.
The Golden Nug is available at Haven, and I had a brainfart. Sorry
Weeeee, I hoped to replay the Skyhold arrival scene with the formal attire on 
((( !
I do not think I follow... Anyway, others seemed to understand what I meant by "scenes" :v ...
I know what you meant.
Earlier you equated scenes with moments, and that is also how I understood the thread when I wrote my post. But then you said that some of my favorite moments weren't applicable for this thread because they're not "scenes".
All I'm asking is: Why does it matter? Why exactly do you only want to talk about "scenes" and not about other moments that may have touched players more and are also related to story/world/characters? Why make that distinction in the first place and does doing that really make sense when talking about a video game that tells it's story with more than just cutscenes and dialogue? Games aren't story and gameplay, the gameplay is part of the story.
I'm having a hard time articulating this(english isn't my native language), but I hope you understand what I mean.
And just to be clear(because I know sometimes it's hard to tell in text): I'm not being combative or defensive. I just want to induce some friendly discussion
Giving Bull a Dragon Skull.
That's another great one.
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Stumbling through the snow after the attack on Haven -by shortbreadspacer (not sure how to quote in edits, doesn't seem to work for me)
This is exactly what I'm talking about. A great story moment, but not a cutscene or dialogue.
Modifié par Vigilance97, 17 décembre 2015 - 03:35 .
Btw, I am not sure but I think I did not see your posts under the topics about Solas being connected to a spirit (1. http://forum.bioware...rld-has-to-die/ 2. http://forum.bioware.../#entry19945521 ). If you really completed DAI 15 times then I would appreciate a comment on my theory. If you commented and I did not see, then sry
I hadn't seen your thread, but I have thought about this at some length as I ruminated about what spirits actually are. The short version is that I'm not sure.
At first blush... I'm inclined to think that no, he isn't a spirit in the conventional sense of the word. If you're talking about "spirit of wisdom" in the sense of "incorporeal Fade entity that represents a single aspect of the psyche," AKA "the Maker's First Children," then no, he's more complex than that. He himself says that these spirits have distinct identities and their actions and thoughts are defined by their natures. He has a very strong sense of purpose, it's true, and I do understand the connection between wisdom and pride/solas, but he can learn. He is capable of growth. He does not believe that spirits are capable of these things. So, by his own definition of the word, I don't think he's a spirit.
But Solas - like every other living creature - has a spirit. Every sentient creature has a spirit that crosses the Fade upon death. Humans, elves, and qunari are possessed of spirits who enter the Fade in dreams, as well. Their spirits inhabit their bodies and are intimately bonded with that body and no other, but that doesn't mean that the spirit is bound to their body always (except for dwarves and Tranquil, that is). So, bonded but not bound, to take a page from Cole's ledger. These spirits are multi-faceted, capable of the full range of emotion and motivation, and they are capable of acquiring new aspects as they learn or as they "experience more of life to learn more of the Fade." Solas seems to be especially proficient at sending his spirit into the Fade at will. The bond between his body and his spirit is not as strong as that of people born after the creation of the Veil. And his spirit, while more flexible than pure spirits (according to his definition), may be more rigid than that of people born after the creation of the Veil. His spiritual identity is strong and he can cross the Veil with ease, but he's a little less adaptable than the quicklings who inhabit the modern world.
An Inquisitor with the Arcane Knowledge perk describes the Veil as a magical vibration that repels the Fade. It serves as a barrier to spirits in both directions. Solas can slip through because he knows how to get in phase with it (just as some spirits and demons discover by accident), but for most, it's an effective barrier.
I guess what I'm saying is that I see the spirit/mortal existence as a continuum rather than a pair of binary absolutes. I see true spirits, entities without a corporeal body, at one end of the spectrum, and I see dwarves, mortals whose spirits are completely and inseparably bound to their bodies, at the other. Ancient elves may have fallen somewhere around the middle, with modern elves, humans, and qunari falling closer to the "bound" end. I freely acknowledge the probability that individuals may fall outside the expected range for their race. All are "people," sentient entities, but their ability to interact with magic varies.
Dagna says that dwarves can't move with the flow because they're part of it. I think that's a reference to lyrium, the source of all magic. Their bond with the Stone (and their spirit's bond with their bodies) is so strong because the lyrium is part of them, their physical or psychic existence. They can't flow with magic/allow their spirits to leave their bodies because of their bond with lyrium/bond with their bodies. I don't know if that makes sense.
When people are made Tranquil, they are often described as having their link with the Fade severed, but I would say rather that the bond between their spirits and their bodies is cemented with the lyrium branded onto their skin. If a spirit touches their mind, it breaks the glue and they're restored to what they were... assuming that pieces weren't torn when the bond was severed.
So, I guess I both agree and disagree? I do believe that Solas is a little closer to being a spirit than most people we've met, but he is still bound by his corporeal form.
TL;DR: It's complicated.
I hadn't seen your thread, but I have thought about this at some length as I ruminated about what spirits actually are. The short version is that I'm not sure.
At first blush... I'm inclined to think that no, he isn't a spirit in the conventional sense of the word. If you're talking about "spirit of wisdom" in the sense of "incorporeal Fade entity that represents a single aspect of the psyche," AKA "the Maker's First Children," then no, he's more complex than that. He himself says that these spirits have distinct identities and their actions and thoughts are defined by their natures. He has a very strong sense of purpose, it's true, and I do understand the connection between wisdom and pride/solas, but he can learn. He is capable of growth. He does not believe that spirits are capable of these things. So, by his own definition of the word, I don't think he's a spirit.
But Solas - like every other living creature - has a spirit. Every sentient creature has a spirit that crosses the Fade upon death. Humans, elves, and qunari are possessed of spirits who enter the Fade in dreams, as well. Their spirits inhabit their bodies and are intimately bonded with that body and no other, but that doesn't mean that the spirit is bound to their body always (except for dwarves and Tranquil, that is). So, bonded but not bound, to take a page from Cole's ledger. These spirits are multi-faceted, capable of the full range of emotion and motivation, and they are capable of acquiring new aspects as they learn or as they "experience more of life to learn more of the Fade." Solas seems to be especially proficient at sending his spirit into the Fade at will. The bond between his body and his spirit is not as strong as that of people born after the creation of the Veil. And his spirit, while more flexible than pure spirits (according to his definition), may be more rigid than that of people born after the creation of the Veil. His spiritual identity is strong and he can cross the Veil with ease, but he's a little less adaptable than the quicklings who inhabit the modern world.
An Inquisitor with the Arcane Knowledge perk describes the Veil as a magical vibration that repels the Fade. It serves as a barrier to spirits in both directions. Solas can slip through because he knows how to get in phase with it (just as some spirits and demons discover by accident), but for most, it's an effective barrier.
I guess what I'm saying is that I see the spirit/mortal existence as a continuum rather than a pair of binary absolutes. I see true spirits, entities without a corporeal body, at one end of the spectrum, and I see dwarves, mortals whose spirits are completely and inseparably bound to their bodies, at the other. Ancient elves may have fallen somewhere around the middle, with modern elves, humans, and qunari falling closer to the "bound" end. I freely acknowledge the probability that individuals may fall outside the expected range for their race. All are "people," sentient entities, but their ability to interact with magic varies.
Dagna says that dwarves can't move with the flow because they're part of it. I think that's a reference to lyrium, the source of all magic. Their bond with the Stone (and their spirit's bond with their bodies) is so strong because the lyrium is part of them, their physical or psychic existence. They can't flow with magic/allow their spirits to leave their bodies because of their bond with lyrium/bond with their bodies. I don't know if that makes sense.
When people are made Tranquil, they are often described as having their link with the Fade severed, but I would say rather that the bond between their spirits and their bodies is cemented with the lyrium branded onto their skin. If a spirit touches their mind, it breaks the glue and they're restored to what they were... assuming that pieces weren't torn when the bond was severed.
So, I guess I both agree and disagree? I do believe that Solas is a little closer to being a spirit than most people we've met, but he is still bound by his corporeal form.
TL;DR: It's complicated.
Thanks for writting. I expected some sources, dialogues. facts, murals, etc to prove certain (or all) parts of the theory to be wrong, but I am glad you answered.
I don't really agree with the statement that all races from the present DA world are connected to the spirits. We can try proving that some people are connected to them, but we can't prove that everybody is.
Thanks for writting. I expected some sources, dialogues. facts, murals, etc to prove certain (or all) parts of the theory to be wrong, but I am glad you answered.
I don't really agree with the statement that all races from the present DA world are connected to the spirits. We can try proving that some people are connected to them, but we can't prove that everybody is.
We can't prove that everybody isn't connected to them, either. People in unexpected places keep doing things that aren't explainable by other means. Like Dagna's unexpected epiphany after being exposed to Fade residue.
Plus, it would explain why Cole is able to manifest in a body when he never had one before. He intentionally transitioned to a new place on the spectrum, and his will manifested as a corporeal form. It would also explain how and why the Inquisitor is able to help him resolve his quest by becoming more spirit-like or more human. His current state is vulnerable to binding because his spiritual identity is no longer as immutable as that of a pure spirit and his bond with his physical body isn't strong enough to withstand possession. By shifting himself in one direction or the other, he corrects the problem. And it gives a whole new perspective to Sera's remark that the Temple of Mythal is full of demons. She may sense that the spirits of the ancient elves assert themselves more than she's used to, so yeah, it might very well seem to be a ruin full of demons. I don't subscribe to the theory that Sera is Andruil any more than I believe Solas is a spirit of wisdom, but it is something to think about. By that, I mean "Huh. Interesting." not "I believe this to be true."
As for how much of my theory is true, I doubt we'll ever get conclusive proof one way or another. It's a computer game. The writers need to know how it all works in order to maintain consistency in storytelling, but explaining all that during the course of a game would be boring.
Top 5 DAI moments:
1 Finding Skyhold (but not the song...)
2 Returning to Skyhold after defeating Corypheus and being hugged by Cullen
3 Kissing Cullen for the first time ("What?")
4 Seeing the Bastion of the Pure for the first time in Descent
5 Renn's death 
Top 5 DAI moments:
1 Finding Skyhold (but not the song...)
2 Returning to Skyhold after defeating Corypheus and being hugged by Cullen
3 Kissing Cullen for the first time ("What?")
4 Seeing the Bastion of the Pure for the first time in Descent
5 Renn's death
Oh yeah..... Renn's death would not be that sad if he was a bandit, not a scapegoat ((
We can't prove that everybody isn't connected to them, either. People in unexpected places keep doing things that aren't explainable by other means. Like Dagna's unexpected epiphany after being exposed to Fade residue.
Plus, it would explain why Cole is able to manifest in a body when he never had one before.
Sorry, but I don't follow..
Sorry, but I don't follow..
Dagna is a dwarf. But if you complete her "The Arcanist and the Fade" War Table operation, she is supplied with Fade-Touched substances to study. During the course of her experiments, she experiences visions as if she were actually connected to the Fade. It's supposed to be impossible, but it happens. If there was truly nothing in her capable of interacting with the Fade, she would not have been able to see what she saw.
I'm saying that everyone - spirit, ancient elf, modern elf, human, qunari, dwarf - exists as a mix of the spiritual and the corporeal, to varying degrees. I understand that you don't like that theory, but nothing Solas says contradicts it.
"Is Varric defined by his chest hair and not his wit?"
Solas said that with the intention of proving that personhood isn't limited to the corporeal, that it includes the spiritual. And he does it by acknowledging that there is a spiritual component to Varric's nature.
1- Meeting Solas in Trespasser
2- The whole scene by the Vir'Abelasan
3- Finding Skyhold
4- Meeting Flemeth in the Fade
5- Giving Cassandra Varric's book (too damn funny not to make the top 5)
But there are many others, such as Wicked Grace, The Dawn will come, Judging Florianne and Storvacker..
I could go on
ZOMG! I totally forgot the insane humor of Judging Florianne's corpse!
Top 5 DAI moments:
1 Finding Skyhold (but not the song...)
2 Returning to Skyhold after defeating Corypheus and being hugged by Cullen
3 Kissing Cullen for the first time ("What?")
4 Seeing the Bastion of the Pure for the first time in Descent
5 Renn's death
I had to limit my Cullen scenes but their first kiss is definitely awesome.
And since I'm replying, I've got to add another one to my list... not sure if this will count as a "scene" in the OP's mind but... Alistair and Morrigan in the Garden if he did the Dark Ritual with her in DAO.
1. When you get to Solas in Trespasser
2. The Dawn Will Come/Skyhold sequence
3. Siege of Adamant
4. Assault on Arbor Wilds (I love seeing my army in action)
5. Spa Day
1) Inquisitor meeting with Cassandra, Leliana and Scout Harding to plan their attack against Solas. Tevinter is marked on the map
2) Final encounter with Solas in Trespasser
3) Meeting the previous Inquisitor, Ameridan
4) The dawn will come and journey to Skyhold
5) Renn's death
I love the animation of how he holds her face and of course, the chappel scene after Arbor Wilds)
hands down. Never expect it to happen. Just so so so sooooooo happy
BW what have you done??) And friendmance (I love how the friendship blossom between my Lavellan and Cassandra. Love love love her to bits. She is actually why my canon Lavellan cant bring herself to disband the Inquisition and leave her sitting alone in that shiny throne of hers. Things you do for your best bud)
- In Your Heart Shall Burn
- First Kiss with Cullen (and that time with him in Halamshiral, doing something on his desk
- "Pretend you didn't know this about me" Cassandra
- Getting married
I love DAI because of how balanced things are between romance (Cullen forever for me
Ooooh, disbanding the Inquisition does not mean the end of the Inquisition. You just make it an "underground" organization 
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These are not in any particular order.
* Closing the rift and first Breach closing at Haven
* Corypheus's exposition in Haven + background music
* Finding Skyhold + background music
* Dorian's post- amulet quest kiss
* Combo of raising the flag over Caer Bronach and opening up the dam
I've realized that these are mostly during the early to mid part of the game, which is actually the part that I've played the most. There are other scenes, of course, but we only get five!
1) When you finishing killing Venatori Fiona and her evil Venatori rebel mages attacking Haven with your trusty companions Varic, Anders, and Hawke. All three of you say in unison to Anders, "Nice job Blondie!"
2) When you finally open the last stupid door in the forbidden oasis temple and all 100 shards you collected turn into a big impossible to kill shard monster reminiscent of the Orsino harvester scene.
3) That really cool mage vs templars war scene we got before Cory ended the war letting them join his darkspawn magister army.
4) Every scene with that sweet beige outfit.
5) Nug king.
Lot's of good ones.
On the less serious side I would choose Seras practical joke mini quest. Loved that little tid bit.
Closing the rift beneath the Breach. My eyes went round and sort of froze when I heard Cory's voice, I went; oh s***, who the h*** is that?!! 
Confronting Cory at Haven and thereafter, finding the survivors
Finding Skyhold
Falling into the Fade at Adamant. I wished they had kept that interesting variant of the Fade where down is not down, etc, when the group set out to find the exit
Catch up to Solas at Trepasser
Lot's of good ones.
On the less serious side I would choose Seras practical joke mini quest. Loved that little tid bit.
Yeah, that was a lot of fun, wasn't it?
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