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#101
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@KainD:  Again, hate is not required... you're inventing that for your little soap box. 

 

Aren't you one of those moral relativist folks.  You should support my radical world view and "out of box" thinking!

 

Hate is ''intense dislike'', straight out of the dictionary. Is your dislike mild or medium? 

 

I support things that I agree with. Also I'm not here to change your view or tell you how bad it is. Also don't you find the fact that you generalized the whole human species as something you dislike as being very much ''inside the box''?  



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@KainD:  If you've only ever felt "intense dislike" for something (the basic definition from a Google search adds "passionate")... congratulations!  You've never actually hated something.   Hint:  the "passionate" part is important.  

 

Edit:  I'd also say disgust is required.. which is a completely different emotion.  So... intense passionate dislike + disgust + a host of other negative things = hate 

 

As for whether generalizing the whole human species is "inside the box" - nah, most people these days tend toward humanism which is the opposite of being a misanthrope. 

 

I'm the edgy free thinking outsider.  Hooray!

 

As for my intensity... suffice it to say:  "enough"



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@KainD:  If you've only ever felt "intense dislike" for something (the basic definition from a Google search adds "passionate")... congratulations!  You've never actually hated something.   Hint:  the "passionate" part is important.  

 

Edit:  I'd also say disgust is required.. which is a completely different emotion.  So... intense passionate dislike + disgust + a host of other negative things = hate 

 

Sounds like hating something is really bothersome. 

 

 

As for whether generalizing the whole human species is "inside the box" - nah, most people these days tend toward humanism which is the opposite of being a misanthrope. 

 

No I mean putting every person in the same box. What, you really never met people in your life that you liked? I mean I can totally relate to being distant from the majority, but then there are jewels to be found here and there, even if rare. 



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@KainD:  Actually hating something is a LOT of work - probably why it needs to be all consuming.  

 

You're asking the wrong question.  It is not:  "Have you not met someone to love?"  The question is:  "Are those jewels enough to change my view of the majority."  

 

The answer would be no.  


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You're asking the wrong question.  It is not:  "Have you not met someone to love?"  The question is:  "Are those jewels enough to change my view of the majority."  

 

The answer would be no.  

 

Ok, last question. What are the points of main conflict between your worldview and the worldview of the current majority around? 



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@KainD:  Are you asking in an attempt to offer counterpoints?  

 

Also - this is pretty off topic.  

 

Thinking on ME4 - I'd like this Ryder character to be intrinsically "unhappy" with his/her situation.  Not on a whiny "why me" level... but something deeper and slightly more psychological - perhaps resigned or guarded...



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I get the feeling the protag will be like Starlord from Guardians of The Galaxy.



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@KainD:  Are you asking in an attempt to offer counterpoints?  

 

Nope, not at all. 

 

Also - this is pretty off topic.  

 

Yep.. So: 

 

Thinking on ME4 - I'd like this Ryder character to be intrinsically "unhappy" with his/her situation.  Not on a whiny "why me" level... but something deeper and slightly more psychological - perhaps resigned or guarded...

 

Only if optional pls. I like my characters happy.. like as much as possible. I actually ''hate'' it when my character shows emotions ( specifically bad ones ) without my consent, like when Shepard was sad about the kid being blown up by the reapers for example, that really sucked. 

 

I get the feeling the protag will be like Starlord from Guardians of The Galaxy.

 

Well then Ryder will be a better dancer than Shepard. 


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@KainD:  ALWAYS optional on personality traits in an RPG... I'd never want anyone forced to be that way, cause honestly I probably wouldn't play a character that way.  

 

As for my "beefs" with humanity... too many, okay... let's pick:  "Reckless disregard for their environment and the other lifeforms in it." as my top one.  


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@KainD:  ALWAYS optional on personality traits in an RPG... I'd never want anyone forced to be that way, cause honestly I probably wouldn't play a character that way.  

 

Has anyone ever actually done optional ongoing personality traits for the PC, that once established play out in some scenes? 

 

 

"Reckless disregard for their environment and the other lifeforms in it." as my top one.  

 

Classic. You know what's funny about this one? You were taught that you should look after the environment, we all were, that's why you have your beef with society in the first place, but then the majority doesn't care. Why? Or better question is, why were we taught to consider other forms of life and the environment in the first place if that's not what we do? 

 

Edit: This is not counterpoint btw, just contemplating. 



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Classic. You know what's funny about this one? You were taught that you should look after the environment, we all were, that's why you have your beef with society in the first place, but then the majority doesn't care. Why? Or better question is, why were we taught to consider other forms of life and the environment in the first place if that's not what we do?


Not always, at least not for everyone.

I was concerned about what humans were doing to the planet, and wanted to recycle things when I was a very young child - and that was loooong before I'd ever heard of environmentalists or saw the first attempts at recycling.

Soda pop came in deposit bottles, though, so at least those bottles were recycled.

And BTW - it looks like you were, in fact, looking to offer counterpoints.

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Not always, at least not for everyone.

I was concerned about what humans were doing to the planet, and wanted to recycle things when I was a very young child - and that was loooong before I'd ever heard of environmentalists or saw the first attempts at recycling.

Soda pop came in deposit bottles, though, so at least those bottles were recycled.

And BTW - it looks like you were, in fact, looking to offer counterpoints.

 

Well you got the idea from somewhere didn't you? 

 

Also I do not argue with other people when it comes to opinions EVER. What I basically do is make sure I completely understand where they are coming from as well make sure they are not falling back on any irrational double-standards. The second part often gets confused for arguing on opinions. 



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It's my Renegade Interupt.


Shame you didn't use it on Stabrat id pay money.

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To be on topic myself, I think "Captain Ryder" rolls off the tongue best. And I wouldn't be opposed to going the DA2 route with personality response choices effecting autodialogue. It'd be nice if it could change as you change your response tendencies. Like you start off carefree and sarcastic, then stuff happens and you end up choosing more serious responses as the game goes on. Or more angry ones. And the tone of autodialogue changes to reflect that.


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Well you got the idea from somewhere didn't you? 

 

Also I do not argue with other people when it comes to opinions EVER. What I basically do is make sure I completely understand where they are coming from as well make sure they are not falling back on any irrational double-standards. The second part often gets confused for arguing on opinions. 

 

I got the idea for being a decent human being from civilizations that still live in tune with nature. It's beautiful. I treat other forms of life with the respect they deserve. I sort my trash because I want things to be re-used if possible. At some point in the future I'd love to live self sustainable. It's hard when the government works against you on that one. 

 

Too many people can't be bothered and it's sad really. 

 

To make it short and snappy: You don't **** all over the place you want to sleep in and eat from. 


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#116
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Individuals develop their reality in a vacuum and consider it to be valid... hence, you get moral relativists who really are nothing more than self-serving egoists. 

You just described all people ever.



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Yeah, it's called "democracy". Everyone gets a vote. Equal representation no matter if you make minimum wage or more than 350 bucks an hour.

That's not government by the people.  That's government by the group that manages to convince a plurality of the people to support them.

 

At best, that's tyranny of the majority.  But more often, it's power in the hands of a manipulative oligarchy.

 

 

Their vote is both their explicit consent and rejection, depending on who or what they cast it at. If you object to the government's decisions, build a public majority consensus against it. That's how democracy works.

It relies on persuasion of large numbers of people, something that has little or no relation to reasoned debate.  The capacity of people to believe what they prefer to be true, rather than what the evidence shows to be likely or even possible, stands firmly in the way of your ideology.

Moreover, personal preferences are all ultimately baseless.  There's no prescriptive force there.  If I prefer to live my life in a way that the majority thinks is abhorrent, a democratic government will stop me.  Why should they get all the power just because they agree?  Are commonly held opinions more likely to be correct?  Or do you just favour increasing the welfare of the majority, thereby necessarily alienating the idiosyncratic?

 

What incentive then do the idiosyncratic have not to blow up your society?

 

You need a government that serves each person equally, regardless of social position.  Being among the majority is not of moral value.  Do not treat it as such.

 

 

Weak governments only empower whose who are already empowered. They create enormous gaps in wealth, political influence and standards of living, regressing society to a state of feudalism where the rich govern the poor and the poor have no rights or influence to speak of.

I didn't say no government.  Individual liberty and contracts and the like still need to be protected.  We each need to be governed by the rule of law.  But that rule of law needs to account for the fact that we act in a self-interested way.

 

 

You have two excellent examples just in the last 100 years, one in 1929, the Great Depression, and in 2009, the Great Recession. Both preceeded by weak, non-interfering governments, both causing tremendous economic and personal suffering to the people. It took the election of FDR and the formation of a stronger federal government to stymie the corruption of the wealthy elite and repair the damage caused by the Great Depression, which led to a 40 year period of booming growth the likes of which the US have never seen, either before or since. It was ended with the election of Ronald Reagan, who sat in the lap of Wall Street and the wealthy elite, slashing taxes for the rich and making up the difference by undermining the state's vital social programs and the US industry.

I disagree strongly with you about the causes of those two events.  First of all, the housing bubble that burst in 2008 wouldn't have happened if Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae hadn't been there to buy all those loans - Freddie Mac even advertised (in print) as early as 2000 that the demands for mortgages had never been higher, so they were accommodating that demand by buying more loans.

 

Also, claiming that the depression was followed by "a 40 year period of booming growth" ignores both the 1941-1945 period (marked by harsh austerity measures including rationing, which is what I would argue ended the depression), the post-war period in which international trade exploded as the British were forced (largely by America charging historically unusual rates of interest for post-war loans) to divest themselves of the bulk of their Empire, and the stagflation of the 1970s.  You make it sound as if 1940-1980 America was all sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows.

 

If you prefer a society that favors those who already have everything, that's fine, but don't pretend like a weak government is going to benefit anyone except the super rich.

America's a lousy example these days anyway, because the wealth distribution already so skewed (largely as a result of the close relationship between industry and government).

 

Have you ever read a piece of US legislation?  The number of stupid exemptions for specific companies is lunacy.  That lobbying provides a better ROI than advertising does (and it's not close) suggests not that the only free market that exists is between companies competing to gain some advantage should legislation.

 

If the government didn't have the power to grant those advantages, that would transfer power to individuals.

 

Individuals are the only unit that actually exists.  They should be the only unit we are interested in serving.


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Let me take a wild guess. We can choose from 3 personalities. Witty-Sarcastic, Diplomatic-Nice, Aggressive-Dickish



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Going back to an earlier topic about titles, how about "Agent"? It's a nicely ambiguous term that implies authority of some regard, subservience to a higher cause, and an unknown tier of rank. "Agent Ryder" also rolls off the tongue a lot better than other ranks like "Commander", "Commodore", or "Admiral."


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Going back to an earlier topic about titles, how about "Agent"? It's a nicely ambiguous term that implies authority of some regard, subservience to a higher cause, and an unknown tier of rank. "Agent Ryder" also rolls off the tongue a lot better than other ranks like "Commander", "Commodore", or "Admiral."


Its why I'm leaning towards just plain Ryder without ever mentioning rank.

Commander Shepard may have been too perfect a game.

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They should change Renegade from being an edgy dick for the sake of the rule of cool, to being more of a pragmatist.


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@KainD:  Again, hate is not required... you're inventing that for your little soap box. 

 

Aren't you one of those moral relativist folks.  You should support my radical world view and "out of box" thinking!

 

EDIT:  Keeping on topic!  I hope this Ryder character can be a misanthrope... though, perhaps there would be a different term for someone who has a distaste for all sapient individuals rather than just humans.

Shepard certainly couldn't.  But I'll echo your request - it would be great if the protagonist weren't required to care particularly about the welfare of random people she doesn't know.


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Not sure if this counts, but throughout ME series, I've played solely Paragon whilst doing two or three Renegade actions. Loved it, but would very much rather be completely TWO FACED in almost every scenario. A hostage situation, I say let them go and I'll forget ever seeing them, as soon as the hostages are out of the way, I start blasting.
And when it's time for diplomacy, I want a silver tongue, so to speak, but I don't want to get misty eyed over nothing.
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@Tzeenchian Apostrophe:  Any appeal to "twisted logic" coming from you is pretty humorous... but I will say, "hate" is not required for misanthropy. I would never give humanity so much credit as to actively hate it. 

 

Anything an angsty delusional nihilist and a self proclaimed ubermensch like you considers an insult - I consider a compliment.

Especially when it comes to logic.

 

Misanthropy, what an abominable mindset to have. Such a revolting mix, hubris, apathy, and self-hatred, it's more pathetic than edgy.

 

Enjoy your family of reptiles, I can see the resemblance, the forked tongue and everything, I'm sure you deserve each other.

 

Shepard certainly couldn't.  But I'll echo your request - it would be great if the protagonist weren't required to care particularly about the welfare of random people she doesn't know.

 

The best way to roleplay a character that doesn't care about anything, is to no not play the game at all.

 

The renegade cared very little about individual lives that he didn't know, but he still cared enough about something to do what he did.

 

The same would be applicable for most other games and stories.


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Yes.

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