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[Henry Augustus]

Heavy modification would still mean the end product resembles the original. A heavily modified VW Beetle would still look like a Beetle.

 

The Ark Ship bears absolutely zero resemblance to either Collector craft. Saying it's a modified Collector base is the starship equivalent of saying a Hummer is a heavily modified Beetle.

Fictional starships display far greater variety than passenger cars, so I don't think your comparison is that great.

 

That said, arquing about this is kinda pointless anyway. If you see no resemblance at all, there is little I can do

to convince you otherwise.

 

Jesus, don't you have nothing else to do than writing this huge meaningless post? I bet no one even read it through.

I'm not Jesus. And now that you mentioned it, I didn't have anything better to do...

[Arcian]

This is something that always bothered me about the 'Black Ark Theory' (using a captured Collector Ark to go to Andromeda). Why would the Reapers bother installing trans-galactic drives on Collector Ships? Their job seems to be to hang around in the Milky Way to provide back up for the Vanguard Reaper (though why Sovereign didn't use them during his assault on the Citadel is another question). Giving them fancy, non-discharging drives would risk the design falling into the hands of the current crop of MW species, who would then upgrade all their ships accordingly and make the job of harvesting them a heck of a lot harder.

[Arcian]

Fictional starships display far greater variety than passenger cars, so I don't think your comparison is that great.

It turns out a VM Beetle/Hummer hybrid exists, so it was a pointless comparison to begin with.

Still, I think it's fairly pointless to think of the Ark ship as a repurposed Collector base/vessel when it doesn't incorporate anything from either Collector construction. You'd really have to know what's inside the damn thing before speculating about what it is and isn't based on.
 

That said, arquing about this is kinda pointless anyway. If you see no resemblance at all, there is little I can do
to convince you otherwise.

Fair enough, I can agree to disagree.

[Valdez_ua]

Let me guess, you'd rather see another, "What can ME:A learn from..." post?

Well, yes. I prefer when people discuss gameplay, mechanics and technical aspects and not some over sophisticated unrealistic plot. But of course OP can write whatever he wants, I just express what I think about it.

[ZipZap2000]

"The Reapers were destroying us and we didn't have any faith in Shepard's Crucible, so we conveniently found a massive Ark ship with the conveniently necessary FTL drive and life support to harbor all of the galactic species for centuries of convenient travel, it apparently comes from a mysterious alien apex race from Andromeda that was conveniently invented to enable the convenient existence of this ship, which enables our convenient escape to the convenient neighbouring galaxy Andromeda because the Crucible's effect will inconveniently change the galaxy so drastically no interesting events can take place in it anymore without ignoring the effects of the Crucible, and the Crucible's effects apparently can't be ignored, so goodbye inconvenient Milky Way and hello convenient Andromeda."

Isn't that how fictional story telling works? You just make up some shids and run with it?

[ZipZap2000]

I'm not Jesus. And now that you mentioned it, I didn't have anything better to do...

Lol.

[Arcian]

Isn't that how fictional story telling works? You just make up some shids and run with it?

Nah, you set up laws for how your universe works and then write a story that abides by those laws. Only comedies can use inconsistency in a positive manner, and as much of a joke as Mass Effect has become lately, it's not a comedy just yet.

[Beerfish]

Sticking a Collector drive core inside a different ship doesn't make that ship a modified Collector ship.

100% semantics.  One could easily argue that the drive core, nav system etc are far more a core part of a space vehicle than the outer shell.

[ZipZap2000]

Nah, you set up laws for how your universe works and then write a story that abides by those laws. Only comedies can use inconsistency in a positive manner, and as much of a joke as Mass Effect has become lately, it's not a comedy just yet.

I dunno about this are we still talking about the giant alien space squids with mind control powers that are a billion years old never age and never die universe? Coz that place sounds like somewhere where anything's possible.

[Arcian]

100% semantics.  One could easily argue that the drive core, nav system etc are far more a core part of a space vehicle than the outer shell.

So, sticking a thanix battery, a Reaper-derived AI and a Reaper IFF inside the Normandy makes it a Reaper? Is that what you're saying?

[Henry Augustus]

Funny enough, when I started this thread I anticipated people would be criticizing different aspects of this theory,

but most seem to just point out the Ark and the base don't look that much alike. Yeah, guess I should have added

it to the list of possible negative points. But really, of course they don't look THAT similar. If they did, Bioware

might have already confirmed it and the whole theory would be entirely irrelevant.

 

About that OP: I type pretty slowly, so it's not like I enjoy making long posts. But I wanted to make sure the OP

included 90% of my thoughts regarding the theory, so I wouldn't really have to answer possible questions

afterwards. And the theory is actually very simple. I could have just posted a single line: "I propose the Ark is

the Collector base." and that's it. Everything that follows is simply details, observations and opinions and

everyone is free to skip those if they want.

 

I won't be having decent access to the Internet in the coming days, so don't expect any replies. If this thread is

still somewhat alive after Christmas Eve, I'll get back to it then.

[goishen]

I find it highly likely, nay nay...  I say a certainty!  That Cerberus would use the Collector ship to travel to Andromeda.  Maybe they got f'ed up along the way.  Maybe the Collector ship didn't know to not remove organs and replace them with tech. 

 

Maybe that's why Cerberus is after us now.   Maybe they just wanna reclaim some of their humanity.

 

EDIT :  And plus, I don't think that Cerberus is going to play that big a role.  Think of the Mage-Templar wars starting in DA2.  They were over and done with in DA:I fairly quickly.