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[DarkLordAngel916]

why weren't  Ashley or Kaidan   playable crew members in me2?..and why were they just a cameo appearance? because of the dlc characters Kasumi and Zaeed?...pretty much the same thing happen to Kasumi and Zaeed in me3 ..because of  Ashley or Kaidan so at the end of the day when its all said and done why did Ashley and Kaidan get the shitty end of the stick?

[SentinelMacDeath]

not sure about Ashley because I never let her live but Kaidan would have never joined Cerberus. He bleeds blue Alliance Navy blood. 

[ZipZap2000]

Coz Cerberus.....which is probably where that whole nightmare began.

What about control? Cerberus.

Why don't we just finish the crucible? Cerberus.

Why are we getting so side tracked from the reapers? Cerberus.

How do we tie the genophage the salarians mordin eve and the tuchanka bomb together and create an interwoven series of main stories and side quests? Cerberus.

[Ajensis]

Probably for the same reason that Liara wasn't available for the main game, either: they wanted some recurring squadmembers for ME3 (as we'd expect for the final entry in a trilogy), and with everyone in ME2 possibly dying in the Suicide Mission, they needed to hold a few back.

 

Just imagine if Virmire Survivor and T'Soni could've died too: we'd have needed more new characters than just James and it would've likely been at the cost of reduced interaction with the old faces. It's probably not such a bad thing that they shaped it the way they did

[themikefest]

Probably for the same reason that Liara wasn't available for the main game, either: they wanted some recurring squadmembers for ME3 (as we'd expect for the final entry in a trilogy), and with everyone in ME2 possibly dying in the Suicide Mission, they needed to hold a few back.

 

Just imagine if Virmire Survivor and T'Soni could've died too: we'd have needed more new characters than just James and it would've likely been at the cost of reduced interaction with the old faces. It's probably not such a bad thing that they shaped it the way they did

If what you posted is true, why couldn't Bioware have it setup where those characters wouldn't die? They're the ones making the game.

[themikefest]

why weren't  Ashley or Kaidan   playable crew members in me2?..and why were they just a cameo appearance? because of the dlc characters Kasumi and Zaeed?...pretty much the same thing happen to Kasumi and Zaeed in me3 ..because of  Ashley or Kaidan so at the end of the day when its all said and done why did Ashley and Kaidan get the shitty end of the stick?

What's interesting is that if Kaidan/Ashley are taken on the Chronos mission, they will say they wished they were with Shepard when seeing the baby reaper on Chronos.

 

https://youtu.be/5o3ouqXNoXw?t=13m10s

[gothpunkboy89]

What's interesting is that if Kaidan/Ashley are taken on the Chronos mission, they will say they wished they were with Shepard when seeing the baby reaper on Chronos.

 

https://youtu.be/5o3ouqXNoXw?t=13m10s

Garrus does also yell at them if you bring him on Horizon mission.

[DarkLordAngel916]

Probably for the same reason that Liara wasn't available for the main game, either: they wanted some recurring squadmembers for ME3 (as we'd expect for the final entry in a trilogy), and with everyone in ME2 possibly dying in the Suicide Mission, they needed to hold a few back.

 

Just imagine if Virmire Survivor and T'Soni could've died too: we'd have needed more new characters than just James and it would've likely been at the cost of reduced interaction with the old faces. It's probably not such a bad thing that they shaped it the way they did

what bugs me the most was Liara got her own dlc the Shadow Broker.. proving even further that Liara is biowars golden child every other crew member that was not in me2 as a playable character should of had a dlc proving even further that everyone except Liara was for a lack of better words a redheaded stepchild.

[themikefest]

what bugs me the most was Liara got her own dlc the Shadow Broker.. proving even further that Liara is biowars golden child every other crew member that was not in me2 as a playable character should of had a dlc proving even further that everyone except Liara was for a lack of better words a redheaded stepchild.

It would not of been hard to have Ashley/Kaidan in a dlc. Unless the VA wasn't available or some other reason.  Anyways, Ashley/Kaidan could've been added to Arrival dlc. They rescue Shepard after Hackett hasn't heard from Shepard for 2 days. Once Shepard is freed, he/she along with Ashley/Kaidan, fight their way through the baddies. Stop Kenson. Talk with Harbinger. Get on the Normandy before the asteroid hits the relay

[aoibhealfae]

Yeah, Kaidan or Ashley should have been in The Arrival DLC. It make more sense to have the VS as backup since it was an Alliance blackops mission and if you notice it, the enemies weren't arranged for solo fights after Shepard woke up. Kaidan or Ashley should have saved Shepard from the infirmary instead of magically waking up from the sedation. But the DLC itself seemed hastily done, only several characters were voiced and I don't think it was Seth Green.

 

And having VS make sense why they supported Shepard's evidence about the reapers to the council... even if they have trust issues about the Cerberus gig.

 

Alas, its the two most hated character in ME1... so...

[Ajensis]

If what you posted is true, why couldn't Bioware have it setup where those characters wouldn't die? They're the ones making the game.

 

I obviously can't answer that on Bioware's behalf my best bet is that, as others have mentioned previously, the VS would likely have a lot of issues participating in a "Cerberus mission". Even more so, the whole idea of a suicide mission where you can lose anyone would be somewhat undermined by having two people magically impervious to the dangers of the Collector Base.

 

what bugs me the most was Liara got her own dlc the Shadow Broker.. proving even further that Liara is biowars golden child every other crew member that was not in me2 as a playable character should of had a dlc proving even further that everyone except Liara was for a lack of better words a redheaded stepchild.

 

Making a DLC based on Kaidan or Ashley would probably be too costly for what you gain and we already get Garrus and Tali, and Wrex is being set up for his role in ME3. Ergo, they either made another side mission DLC like Overlord, or we get Lair of the Shadow Broker to please some of the people missing more of their old crew.

I can understand why some people don't like Liara. There are valid points to a lot of the criticism aimed at her character. But you kinda have to accept that characters you dislike can have DLCs based on them. At least it's not part of the main game, so you can just pretend it doesn't exist. Sure, the DLC could've focused around someone else from ME1 (although... who? Only alternative I can think of would be helping Wrex in some political power play on Tuchanka), but Bioware can't satisfy everyone and it's pointless to expect them to.

 

Yeah, Kaidan or Ashley should have been in The Arrival DLC. It make more sense to have the VS as backup since it was an Alliance blackops mission and if you notice it, the enemies weren't arranged for solo fights after Shepard woke up. Kaidan or Ashley should have saved Shepard from the infirmary instead of magically waking up from the sedation. But the DLC itself seemed hastily done, only several characters were voiced and I don't think it was Seth Green.

 

There will always be 'Should haves' after a game's DLC cycle comes to an end. And again, the cost for bringing in two-people-in-one for a DLC was probably too high. More than that, The Arrival was probably early on designed as a solo adventure. Whether you feel that was beneficial for the player's experience or not, including a known squadmember for Shepard would go against the conceptual premise of the DLC.

And I'm pretty sure they didn't have a fake Seth Green do any Joker voices. I've played through the DLC enough times that I doubt I wouldn't notice. As I recall, ME2 DLC either has no audible Joker lines, or a reuse of lines already recorded. But feel free to post a link to a segment where he doesn't sound like himself; I might've just missed it

 

And having VS make sense why they supported Shepard's evidence about the reapers to the council... even if they have trust issues about the Cerberus gig.

 

Every crewmember from ME1 seems to trust Shepard's interpretation of the beacons implicitly after Virmire, Ilos and the Battle of the Citadel. If you feel Ashley/Kaidan require further reason to trust you, shouldn't the same apply to the others?

[AlanC9]

Yeah, Arrival struck me as a deliberate solo design too. Parts of it are obviously FPS-inspired.

[DarkLordAngel916]

Yeah, Kaidan or Ashley should have been in The Arrival DLC. It make more sense to have the VS as backup since it was an Alliance blackops mission and if you notice it, the enemies weren't arranged for solo fights after Shepard woke up. Kaidan or Ashley should have saved Shepard from the infirmary instead of magically waking up from the sedation. But the DLC itself seemed hastily done, only several characters were voiced and I don't think it was Seth Green.

 

And having VS make sense why they supported Shepard's evidence about the reapers to the council... even if they have trust issues about the Cerberus gig.

 

Alas, its the two most hated character in ME1... so...

 

Yeah, Arrival struck me as a deliberate solo design too. Parts of it are obviously FPS-inspired.

i'm on the fence when it comes to Arrival DLC i remember really missing having my  team members with me i never really like one guy tries to save the world from alien invasion but it's too late....similar to invasion of the body snatchers   scenario  type of games if mass effect didn't have team members or party members i would have never played mass effect.

[Han Shot First]

what bugs me the most was Liara got her own dlc the Shadow Broker.. proving even further that Liara is biowars golden child every other crew member that was not in me2 as a playable character should of had a dlc proving even further that everyone except Liara was for a lack of better words a redheaded stepchild.

 

 

Liara having a starring role in a DLC was partly because of fans complaining that the old cast of ME1 characters, outside of Garrus and Tali, were largely sidelined and had disappointing cameos. Wrex's cameo is the only one that wasn't panned, and even then were some fans complaining that he was replaced by Grunt. It is easy to forget now, after LotSB and ME3, that Liara was barely in Mass Effect 2 and that her cameo ended an imported romance with Shepard. If she truly was a writer's pet, why would she have been left out of the main game, and why would her cameo terminate an imported romance with the main character?

 

Liara got more content in LotSB for the same reason that the ME2 LIs got more content in the Citadel DLC. Both were largely a response to complaints from fans. Liara, rather than the Virmire survivors, also was likely chosen because she was much more popular character than both Ashley and Kaidan. Bioware was catering to a larger group of fans.

 

Arrival should have been the LotSB for the Virmire Survivor, in my opinion. But for whatever reason Bioware thought it would be cool to have you solo a mission, forgetting that characters are the main draw for their games.

[themikefest]

Liara got more content in LotSB for the same reason that the ME2 LIs got more content in the Citadel DLC.

Did the ME2 LI's get more content in the dlc? I would agree if they were part of the gameplay portion of the dlc as well

[Han Shot First]

Did the ME2 LI's get more content in the dlc? I would agree if they were part of the gameplay portion of the dlc as well

 

True, they couldn't join during the gameplay portion. They did get more content than the ME3 LIs in the second half of the DLC, with the exception of Garrus. Garrus I believe is the only ME3 squadmate to get two different scenes in the second half of the DLC, similar to the ME2 LIs.

[aoibhealfae]

There will always be 'Should haves' after a game's DLC cycle comes to an end. And again, the cost for bringing in two-people-in-one for a DLC was probably too high. More than that, The Arrival was probably early on designed as a solo adventure. Whether you feel that was beneficial for the player's experience or not, including a known squadmember for Shepard would go against the conceptual premise of the DLC.

And I'm pretty sure they didn't have a fake Seth Green do any Joker voices. I've played through the DLC enough times that I doubt I wouldn't notice. As I recall, ME2 DLC either has no audible Joker lines, or a reuse of lines already recorded. But feel free to post a link to a segment where he doesn't sound like himself; I might've just missed it

 

 

Every crewmember from ME1 seems to trust Shepard's interpretation of the beacons implicitly after Virmire, Ilos and the Battle of the Citadel. If you feel Ashley/Kaidan require further reason to trust you, shouldn't the same apply to the others?

 

Bioware itself dedicate a lot of its resources on trivial things with Mass Effect 2 DLCs. A bulk of it was alternate costumes and weapons upgrades that you should get with the base game. Firewalker DLC is massive and you get a variety of time-sinking exploration missions on a lot of planets but you only get a useless Prothean Sphere as deco and a biotic upgrade and a proper introduction of your Hammerhead which are only casually mention in Citadel DLC. Normandy Crash Site DLC is just as useless. This is the same indolence from people who officially ignored FemShep's existence for years and simply superimpose her on top of ME2's BroShep's mesh and yet still have more personality than him.

 

Actually, you can have most of your crew questioning your actions except Garrus and Liara. Wrex want to shoot you on Virmire and he will get himself killed if you can't calm him down and if you betrayed him by sabotaging the cure, he will confront you about it and you will end up killing him. Tali's fate rest completely on your decisions whether you want to screw her during her trial or choose Geth over her people where she felt Shepard failed her completely. Ashley or Kaidan will shoot you at Citadel if you don't fully regain their trust. That was all up to Shepard to convince them otherwise.

 

Garrus simply agree to everything Shepard did regardless whether you're paragon or renegade. He will remain as your best buddy and accept you no matter what... unless you let him die in ME2. With Liara, the game try to guilt you every time you're mean to her... I can't blame her when she told me she gave my corpse to the terrorist because she don't want me to stay dead and I was supposed to be grateful to her. I can't blame her not telling important people about how I have no choice working with terrorists because they resurrect me and I was trapped because they own me. I can't blame her for screwing my relationship. I can't boot her off my ship to work on the Crucible because apparently I need an out-of-work grad student who part time in information trade and she will pout if I didn't bring along...

 

*sigh*

 

Either way, we're just a minority in Bioware's eyes. Let's just hope that they plan out MEA better.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

With Liara, the game try to guilt you every time you're mean to her... I can't blame her when she told me she gave my corpse to the terrorist because she don't want me to stay dead and I was supposed to be grateful to her. I can't blame her not telling important people about how I have no choice working with terrorists because they resurrect me and I was trapped because they own me. I can't blame her for screwing my relationship. I can't boot her off my ship to work on the Crucible because apparently I need an out-of-work grad student who part time in information trade and she will pout if I didn't bring along...

 

*sigh*

 

Either way, we're just a minority in Bioware's eyes. Let's just hope that they plan out MEA better.

Careful what you say about the mother of at least one of my children!

[themikefest]

To the post mentioning Garrus yelling at Ashley/Kaidan on Horizon. He wasn't yelling, and he only makes that comment if recruited in ME1. The only time he yells is at Harkin during his loyalty mission

 

 

True, they couldn't join during the gameplay portion. They did get more content than the ME3 LIs in the second half of the DLC, with the exception of Garrus. Garrus I believe is the only ME3 squadmate to get two different scenes in the second half of the DLC, similar to the ME2 LIs.

That's James. He gets a scene showing his tattoo and the pullup scene. The other scene is with Steve

[aoibhealfae]

If I remember it right, it was more like "Kaidan, you're being so emotional and being so unreasonable that you don't see the big picture. Shepard works for the terrorists for a reason. We're doing this for the right cause." Right... that's how you convince a military officer to defect to your side and I don't think Shepard was even trying. And its not worth the risk anyway.