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[Inquisitor_Jonah]

I just finished ME2 again - first time with Femshep - and I was aiming for a perfect paragon finale, making every character loyal and stuff like that. But I was caught by surprise by two things:

 

1 - Half of the Normandy crew - including Kelly, Ken and Gabi - became reaper juice.

 

2 - Mordin died - despite being loyal.

 

The first one I know that after acquiring the reaper IFF, you only have time to do legion's loyalty mission and rush to the endgame to save them - and it always worked. The colonists became reaper juice but all my crew was safe and sound. But I did it this time and they died '-'  Maybe this happened because I did most of the side missions before Horizon (and I did them all in this playtrough) but I don't know, it's weird because this worked in the other playtroughs.

 

The most weird is Mordin though. I just can't see any reason for him to die. He was loyal and I didn't put him into any position he should not be in the mission, I made Miranda the leader of the fire team, send Garrus to take the survivors of the crew to the Normandy and put legion on the tubes. He died holding the doors while I fought the final boss. This is so random '-' To the death of the crew I can see an explanation but for Mordin... I don't know. Must at least one squad member die? Because in the other playtroughs Zaeed was the one that usually died because I didn't had enough paragon or renegade points to get his loyalty ( I always like to mix things up with the characters, this was the first time I completely filled the paragon gauge, even if I did pick some renegade choices).

 

So, even if everyone is loyal, the game will randomly choose one squadmate to die?

[ArcadiaGrey]

No, you can save them all.

 

If you send Mordin back with the crew to the ship and leave Garrus to hold the line you should be fine.  Keep Miranda as team leader, and the only reason Legion should die is because he isn't loyal so I'm not sure on that one.   :/

 

You have to go get the crew straight away, even one mission will kill half of them.

 

Hope that helps a little.

 

Gotta say though, not so bad letting Mordin die as you'll get Padok Wiks, and with Legion you get the Legion VI which is kind of heartbreaking because all you remember him but he doesn't know you.  Worth experiencing.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

No, you can save them all.

 

If you send Mordin back with the crew to the ship and leave Garrus to hold the line you should be fine.  Keep Miranda as team leader, and the only reason Legion should die is because he isn't loyal so I'm not sure on that one.   :/

 

You have to go get the crew straight away, even one mission will kill half of them.

 

Hope that helps a little.

 

Gotta say though, not so bad letting Mordin die as you'll get Padok Wiks, and with Legion you get the Legion VI which is kind of heartbreaking because all you remember him but he doesn't know you.  Worth experiencing.

Legion is fine, he didn't die. Only Mordin and half the crew did But this is weird because I did this strategy in other playtroughs and they lived. Maybe it was a glitch, maybe it was the number of side missions I did between horizon and the derelict reaper. Well, I'm not redoing the mission because there will be new content for me in ME3, but I still find it really random, since I used basically the same strategy I used before.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Legion is fine, he didn't die. Only Mordin and half the crew did But this is weird because I did this strategy in other playtroughs and they lived. Maybe it was a glitch, maybe it was the number of side missions I did between horizon and the derelict reaper. Well, I'm not redoing the mission because there will be new content for me in ME3, but I still find it really random, since I used basically the same strategy I used before.

 

Oh I thought Legion had died.  Well as I said, to save Mordin he can go back with the crew and Garrus can stay to hold the line.

 

And the number of side missions between Horizon and the derelict reaper is locked to 5, so you didn't go wrong there.  Seriously, it's just that the mathematics of the SM didn't work out for you.  You can research it and find out all the values.  Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt have high values, Mordin, Kasumi and Tali low values....you need a certain number for everyone to live.  So by sending Garrus away you lost a high value number from the final stage and didn't have enough points.  I made the same mistake first time round and lost Tali, I took Garrus to the human reaper not realising he should stay behind.

 

You didn't have enough points so your weakest person left holding the line died, and that was Mordin.  Complicated stuff I'm afraid.

 

[themikefest]

The reason why half the crew dies is because missions were completed instead of heading to the collector base first. Depending on how many missions were completed, all crewmembers can be dead except for Dr.Chakwas. I would suggest doing everything, recruiting and loyalty missions, before starting the IFF mission. After IFF, talk to the geth, who is renamed Legion, and it will tell you about its loyalty mission. Do the mission right away.

 

Even if the Normandy has all 3 upgrades and everyone loyal, at least 3 squadmates can die depending on your decisions to use whoever to do whatever.

 

Tali, Kasumi and Legion are the only ones who can be sent through the vent and survive. They only survive if Garrus, Miranda and Jacob are selected as fireteam leader and are loyal

 

Samara and Jack, if loyal, are the only ones who can do the barrier with both squadmates surviving, otherwise one of the squadmates will be carried off by the seeker swarm.

 

The 2nd fireteam leader has to be Miranda, Garrus or Jacob to survive, if loyal, otherwise that squadmate will die. One thing to note. Miranda will always survive as 2nd fireteam leader even if she's not loyal

 

Anyone can be sent to escort the crew back to the Normandy. I believe MIranda is the only one who can't be sent back with the crew. They will survive if loyal. Most of the time I send Mordin to escort the crew.

 

I usually take two of the weakest squadmates with me to fight the proto-reaper. The weakest are Tali, Jack, Mordin and Kasumi.

 

here's a thread devoted to the suicide mission.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

Wow, Thanks, that was really informative. So that's what the problem was. I forgot to activate Legion, and only did wen EDI remembered me after the crew was abducted. 

 

So, even if one of the crew members were not loyal, if I let strong people with him/her on the doors they will survive?

[Googleness]

it's not only that.

 

1. do all loyalty missions.

2. upgrade the normandy (shield, armor, weapons etc...)

3. on the mission itself you need specific members to do the right missions (iirc legion on the tunnel at the start, garrus team b leader etc...).

 

if you do it right you get to save all of them.

 

damn epic.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

it's not only that.

 

1. do all loyalty missions.

2. upgrade the normandy (shield, armor, weapons etc...)

3. on the mission itself you need specific members to do the right missions (iirc legion on the tunnel at the start, garrus team b leader etc...).

 

if you do it right you get to save all of them.

 

damn epic.

I know. My doubt is if I can save everyone if one of the characters aren't loyal. It was the case with my canon Shepard, Jonah, who didn't have Zaeed's Loyalty simply because of the damn paragon/renegade system. I didn't stick to any of the sides with him, so I didn't fill neater the paragon or the renegade meters. Since I choose to save the workers from the fire Zaeed started, the only options that I would have to gain his loyalty were if I used the persuasion or intimidate dialogue that were grey. So is there a way to save Zaeed even if he's not loyal?

[themikefest]

 So is there a way to save Zaeed even if he's not loyal?

If everyone else is loyal? Yes

 

I would have Kasumi in the vent with Garrus being fireteam leader both times

Have Mordin escort the crew back to the Normandy

Use either Samara or Jack for barrier

Take Tali, Jack or Kasumi to fight the reaper. Any of those two will work

The rest hold the line and with everyone loyal, Zaeed should survive with ease.

[cap and gown]

I can tell you right now, even without knowing the rest of your final team, that sending Garrus back as an escort was your big mistake. You should not send either Garrus, Zaeed, or Grunt back with the crew. To ensure Mordin lives, they should not accompany Shepard to the final boss battle either. These three, whether they are loyal or not, give your stay-behind team the highest defense score and will help you avoid losing anybody left behind to hold the door.

[themikefest]

There's nothing wrong with sending Garrus back with the crew.  All squadmates can still survive. I even took Zaeed and Grunt to fight the terminator with every squadmate surviving.

 

Its a good idea to leave Grunt, Zaeed and Garrus to hold the line especially if one of the squadmates is not loyal. They would have a better chance of surviving

[Natureguy85]

There's nothing wrong with sending Garrus back with the crew.  All squadmates can still survive. I even took Zaeed and Grunt to fight the terminator with every squadmate surviving.

 

Its a good idea to leave Grunt, Zaeed and Garrus to hold the line especially if one of the squadmates is not loyal. They would have a better chance of surviving

 

Did you have all the other members present? That's really surprising that you didn't lose one with Garrus, Zaeed, and Grunt gone.

[SentinelMacDeath]

yeah it's true that you can still save everyone if not everyone is loyal but it will affect ME3 too. 

[themikefest]

Did you have all the other members present? That's really surprising that you didn't lose one with Garrus, Zaeed, and Grunt gone.

 

 

One playthrough I had Garrus go back with the crew while Grunt and Zaeed held the line. Another playthrough I had Grunt and Zaeed at the end fight with Garrus holding the line.

 

Its not hard to have everyone survive, who are holding the line, if all three of those squadmate are not holding the line. Don't recall if I've ever did it with all squadmates recruited since the majority of my playthroughs, I don't recruit everyone.

[Natureguy85]

One playthrough I had Garrus go back with the crew while Grunt and Zaeed held the line. Another playthrough I had Grunt and Zaeed at the end fight with Garrus holding the line.

 

Its not hard to have everyone survive, who are holding the line, if all three of those squadmate are not holding the line. Don't recall if I've ever did it with all squadmates recruited since the majority of my playthroughs, I don't recruit everyone.

 

Ok. I was making sure you weren't saying you did it with none of those three holding the line because I don't think that's possible.

 

Mordin died my first time through. I know I sent Grunt back because I figured he'd be great for a solo mission. I probably took Zaeed with me.

[themikefest]

Ok. I was making sure you weren't saying you did it with none of those three holding the line because I don't think that's possible.

It is possible to have the squadmates survive without having those 3 holding the line. I've done it a few times. I was just saying I don't believe I did it with everyone recruited.
 

[Jackal13th]

First get the Normandy up to date with all the Armor and shields. get every one Loyal " Do all the missions each one has."

 

do the Mission for Legon. when you get to find the Dr.Chakwas have some one escort them to the Normandy.I know it's tuff some times but it can be done. i routinely have done it left with all 12 crew on board.

[GDICanuck]

It is possible to have the squadmates survive without having those 3 holding the line. I've done it a few times. I was just saying I don't believe I did it with everyone recruited.

I know you can have the rearguard survive even if you take a defense score 4 and 2 on your team for the Baby Reaper fight. I've done if with Garrus/Jacob and Zaeed/Samara before. Though you probably need to send a weak guy like Mordin back with the crew to tilt the average, since that's who I always send.

Recruiting less than the full party could work too if the numbers line up right.

[Natureguy85]

It is possible to have the squadmates survive without having those 3 holding the line. I've done it a few times. I was just saying I don't believe I did it with everyone recruited.
 

 

 

Recruiting less than the full party could work too if the numbers line up right.

 

 

That makes sense then because it's based on average so not having low score people around would actually help.

[Kerg]

Related question:

 

I've done all the missions/assignments/upgrades.  Everyone's loyal, including Legion.  The crew just got abducted.  I'm ready to go through the Omega 4 Relay.  EXCEPT...  I'd like to make a quick stop over at the Shadow Broker Base to respec Legion, because I'm thinking about using him in the Suicide Mission.

 

Will that count as a mission and get crew members killed?

 

Thanks.

[Kerg]

Related question:

 

I've done all the missions/assignments/upgrades.  Everyone's loyal, including Legion.  The crew just got abducted.  I'm ready to go through the Omega 4 Relay.  EXCEPT...  I'd like to make a quick stop over at the Shadow Broker Base to respec Legion, because I'm thinking about using him in the Suicide Mission.

 

Will that count as a mission and get crew members killed?

 

Thanks.

The sticky at the top says this...  so I should be okay as long as I don't get a mission complete screen?  Can someone confirm?  Thanks.

 

"From the moment the crew is kidnapped from the Normandy, you are on a timer that will affect how many of them will die depending on how many missions you complete from time of kidnapping to going through the Omega-4 Mass Relay. A mission is anything that will result in a 'Mission Complete' screen at the end, so landing on hub worlds will have no affect on this timer. Doing missions on hub worlds could. Mining for minerals shouldn't."

[BronzTrooper]

If you have already gotten through the plot for LotSB, then you should be fine as the Shadow Broker's ship is considered to be a hub, not a mission area (hence why you can jump from Omega to the Citadel and back and still have everyone survive).  The timer counts missions only, not travel.  Hell, you could mine the entire galaxy and still have everyone survive (as long as you don't do any of the missions that show up when scanning planets).

 

I did have an issue a while back where Mordin died and I did the same thing I had done for several playthroughs (in which everyone survived).  iirc, I sent Kasumi back with the crew and the first time around I brought Grunt and Miranda for the final fight.  After that, I brought Miranda and Mordin, which resulted in Tali dying.

 

I've just assumed that it glitched on me, but I'd like a second opinion (I've already finished that playthrough, it's just that it's an issue that's bothered me for a while).  btw, I had everyone loyal, all the upgrades, Garrus was team leader for both, Legion went through the vent, and Jack did the biotic bubble in case that changes anything.

[Natureguy85]

I did have an issue a while back where Mordin died and I did the same thing I had done for several playthroughs (in which everyone survived).  iirc, I sent Kasumi back with the crew and the first time around I brought Grunt and Miranda for the final fight.  After that, I brought Miranda and Mordin, which resulted in Tali dying.

 

I've just assumed that it glitched on me, but I'd like a second opinion (I've already finished that playthrough, it's just that it's an issue that's bothered me for a while).  btw, I had everyone loyal, all the upgrades, Garrus was team leader for both, Legion went through the vent, and Jack did the biotic bubble in case that changes anything.

 

Just to be clear, when Tali died, you sent Kasumi as escort and had all other party members loyal? Did you have Zaeed?

[BronzTrooper]

Just to be clear, when Tali died, you sent Kasumi as escort and had all other party members loyal? Did you have Zaeed?

 

I had sent Kasumi with the crew both times and everyone was loyal.  iirc, I didn't have Zaeed at the time, which is probably why Mordin died the first time I went to the final fight.

 

After my second try, I brought Miranda and Tali with me to the final fight and Mordin still died (I loaded an autosave from before I picked my team for the final fight).

[Natureguy85]

I had sent Kasumi with the crew both times and everyone was loyal.  iirc, I didn't have Zaeed at the time, which is probably why Mordin died the first time I went to the final fight.

 

After my second try, I brought Miranda and Tali with me to the final fight and Mordin still died (I loaded an autosave from before I picked my team for the final fight).

 

I'm not sure then unless you've remembered wrong. According to the weird formula,

 

Garrus:  4

Grunt:    4

Thane:   2

Legion:  2

Samara: 2

Jacob:   2

Jack:     1

Mordin:  1

 

Total: 18, Average 2.25. An average of 2 or higher should get you everyone alive. When you took Grunt instead of Tali, that would drop your total to 15 and therefore the average to 1.9, so Mordin would die. If you took Mordin, Tali would die, but you said Miranda and Mordin, so Grunt holding the line should have resulted in no deaths.

 

On that note, if I ever go play ME3 again, I should replay my Talimancer and have her die on the ship. I'm curious what Shepard would say, particularly to Garrus. Or if I did LotSB after...