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[Dalakaar]

Cheating, and what I mean by it is that step you don't think anyone, yourself, friends, or pugs you play with, should do.

 

Where's your line? How do you define it? There seems to be a lot of grey area on the matter.

 

For some Reload Canceling is a line they won't cross.

 

For others, it's 6/6/6/6/6.

 

Yet more won't use the console/tweaks to edit their credits.

 

Then you have missile glitching.

 

Where's that line for you personally?

 

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For myself, it usually comes down to some level of time versus combat effectiveness. I maxed my manifest legitimately on PC but I don't consider other people that tweak their credits to be cheating. In fact if I was ever to start a new manifest unless I was starting on console (not gonna happen...) I'd very likely make that grind happen markedly faster.

 

6/6/6/6/6 though, isn't something I'll do. Not that I necessarily think other people shouldn't, but if they do I'm kind of looking down on a it a bit. Sort of a training wheels philosophy. If you need the fitness/passives that bad that you can't spec out of it you're doing it wrong. Only time I've been tempted was the Paladin. I want all his cake, and the icing, and plate too. But I still don't, because some of sick part of me still enjoys the agony of specing him.

 

Reload Canceling, for me it's just a part of the game to learn. An additional mechanic to help improve gameplay by adding a skill-capped timing component to increase efficiency. I remember a thread a few months back (Yes, only a few months, not 2012) where someone was arguing that Reload Canceling was cheating. I was pretty surprised by that.

 

Finally, missile glitching and what I call "one-shot lobbies" (modded plat games where enemies die in 1 hit)  are a waste of time. No fun, no challenge, not worth staying around. It was the type of thing I did when I was 17 playing Baldur's Gate with Shadowkeeper, god mode essentially. It was terrifically fun for all of an hour, then it was terrifically boring.

 

You?

[physiolosopher]

It's all relative. I cheese incendiary rounds more than anyone I know but if I'm in a lobby with an incendiary reegar AIU I'm out without a second thought.

[7twozero]

You can't use the console to get mp credits.

[Lvca_gr]

Cheating, and what I mean by it is that step you don't think anyone, yourself, friends, or pugs you play with, should do.

 

Where's your line? How do you define it? There seems to be a lot of grey area on the matter.

 

For some Reload Canceling is a line they won't cross.

 

For others, it's 6/6/6/6/6.

 

Yet more won't use the console/tweaks to edit their credits.

 

Then you have missile glitching.

 

Where's that line for you personally?

 

***

 

For myself, it usually comes down to some level of time versus combat effectiveness. I maxed my manifest legitimately on PC but I don't consider other people that tweak their credits to be cheating. In fact if I was ever to start a new manifest unless I was starting on console (not gonna happen...) I'd very likely make that grind happen markedly faster.

 

6/6/6/6/6 though, isn't something I'll do. Not that I necessarily think other people shouldn't, but if they do I'm kind of looking down on a it a bit. Sort of a training wheels philosophy. If you need the fitness/passives that bad that you can't spec out of it you're doing it wrong. Only time I've been tempted was the Paladin. I want all his cake, and the icing, and plate too. But I still don't, because some of sick part of me still enjoys the agony of specing him.

 

Reload Canceling, for me it's just a part of the game to learn. An additional mechanic to help improve gameplay by adding a skill-capped timing component to increase efficiency. I remember a thread a few months back (Yes, only a few months, not 2012) where someone was arguing that Reload Canceling was cheating. I was pretty surprised by that.

 

Finally, missile glitching and what I call "one-shot lobbies" (modded plat games where enemies die in 1 hit)  are a waste of time. No fun, no challenge, not worth staying around. It was the type of thing I did when I was 17 playing Baldur's Gate with Shadowkeeper, god mode essentially. It was terrifically fun for all of an hour, then it was terrifically boring.

 

You?

 

Pretty much the same, though if maxing my manifest becomes a grind or I just feel like it (not having weapon amps, all that stuff) I may resort to space magic to speed up the process. For now, I'll do it the legit way.

[stephenw32768]

I'll happily reload-cancel, and take advantage of the weapon weight glitch.  The former is a game mechanic that anyone can learn; the latter is probably a bit naughty actually, but hey, HVB Claymoar...

 

6/6/6/6/6 is definitely off-limits for me.  I do like my full-fitness scrub builds, but I'm willing to pay the penalty for using them.

[Brannigans 1ove]

No issue with reload cancelling or incendiary cheese, and don't really care if people use 6/6/6/6/6 builds (no idea how I'd tell if someone were using one), though I don't have any myself.

[Dalakaar]

It's all relative.

That's what I'm asking essentially. I agree, it is all relative. Curious where this board falls under that broad term.

 

I cheese incendiary rounds more than anyone I know but if I'm in a lobby with an incendiary reegar AIU I'm out without a second thought.

Cheese versus cheating is a good point too. I used to run as soon as I saw an AIU Cheezgar. Now? I don't. Too many lobbies and the occasional one is actually not bad. (Not just high scoring, I mean, helps objectives, will res/gel etc.)

 

You can't use the console to get mp credits.

Directly no, indirectly, I believe you can speed up the process.

 

Pretty much the same, though if maxing my manifest becomes a grind or I just feel like it (not having weapon amps, all that stuff) I may resort to space magic to speed up the process. For now, I'll do it the legit way.

Mine felt like a grind a few times til I had a stoner-conversation with an old roommate. He left early on when he found out how long getting some things would take with the trollstore. He couldn't really figure out how I had stayed with the game for so long. I told him it was that I enjoyed the gameplay itself. Just getting in a game was fun. I honestly thought I'd never max it, but I also never thought I'd put in 800+ hours either.

[Mission_Scrubbed]

Finally, missile glitching and what I call "one-shot lobbies" (modded plat games where enemies die in 1 hit)  are a waste of time. No fun, no challenge, not worth staying around.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

For myself I had to mess early with game files because the new, expensive game I had just bought could not bind the "T" key. Yeah. Also, creating a true shade of blue, not those colors Biowere hastily threw into the multiplayer section.

 

I loath 6/6/6/6/6 (no RPG), have never edited my credits (no need to), I reload-cancel everything, and hate those who ruin other people's fun time. Want to kill everything with your fasterthanFTL Phalanx? Fine. You don't need me to do it and I don't want to waste good resources on you, so don't leave your host open, you miserable fck.

[Urizen]

I am guilty of reload cancelling. And proud of it!

Also, I have edited controls. No button to rule them all for me!

[Malaclypse The Younger]

BTW, OP, you cannnot 6/6/... glitch the Paladin....at least you can't with the methods I'm aware of.

I don't consider the 6/6/... glitch to be worth worrying about. It's benefits don't make any of the kits sufficiently overpowered to offset the need for skill.

Reload canceling is probably pretty swell on PC but has less benefit on consoles. The problem I have with reload canceling is not its actual in-game use but, rather, it's secondary and tertiary effects -- namely that it's use allows for MOAR auto-erotic phallus-obsession among devotees of certain 18th century firearm technologies, and subsequently we all have to hear MOAR boasting and praise for said antique munitions.

I give missile glitching very little thought. Back in my bronze/silver days I gave it a try. Learned to do it out of genuine curiosity, but quickly realized that it still took 15-20 minutes and was desperately, overwhelmingly boring. My whole dalliance lasted no more than 72 hours and probably didn't result in more than a million credits...which, in all likelihood, garnered me a bunch of Cryo III and Explosive Ammo. In a world where PC players can create credits with far less effort, worrying for any amount of time about missile glitching is an activity with about as much sanity as worrying about the mythological "welfare mother" or whether or not the President was born in Hawai'i. In other words, I think it only really bothers those people who just desperately need to feel that someone, somewhere out there is getting something free/cheap/mine/they don't deserve/etc so their personal resentment can have an object other then themselves.

[BronzTrooper]

The only glitch I have issues with is the missile glitch in public lobbies.  If you're going to do that, do it with friends, or, at least, ask if people are ok with it before doing it.  Most missile glitchers I've run into just missile glitch without consideration for anyone else and/or feel like they're doing the entire lobby a favor by missile glitching.

 

Everything else doesn't bother me, though, I will speak up if someone drops into bronze with a Harrier TGI....

[DaemionMoadrin]

Incendiary cheese and similiar things are okay. Reload canceling is game mechanics.

 

Glitches like the 6/6/6/6/6 or the missile glitch are cheats, as is anything that changes how the game works (modded weapons, enemies, kits etc).

[Arktinen]

The only glitch I have issues with is the missile glitch in public lobbies.  If you're going to do that, do it with friends, or, at least, ask if people are ok with it before doing it.  Most missile glitchers I've run into just missile glitch without consideration for anyone else and/or feel like they're doing the entire lobby a favor by missile glitching.

 

Everything else doesn't bother me, though, I will speak up if someone drops into bronze with a Harrier TGI....

I'm agreeing with this one. I've encountered people missile glitching + thinking that's all they need to do, not shooting their guns once, and then dying out almost every wave.

For me, it also takes the joy out of the game experience: I play the game for the fun of actually playing it.

[Alfonsedode]

no line either, op. But one hit kill lobby are really boring, i agree.

Aimbot could be cool to try
What else can be done ?
I m not aware what the console can do.
I guess u can use a geth scanner with no limited range and stuff like that

[Salarian Master Race]

If it's an ingame mechanic, like Reload Cancelling, Pizza Running, or even Incendiary Cheese, well that's part of the game.  Incendiary Cheese can even happen inadvertently depending on who is using what, so it's something you just have to accept.  Something clearly broken, unintentional, and exploitable, such as 6/6/6/6/6 and missile glitching, are not things that I will condone.

 

Installing the mod for Crusader Fix seems to be something some people have a problem with.  I happily use my fixed Crusader.  As for Console Commands, I generally only use them to troll assholes.  What constitutes assholes though is entirely subjective to my current mood.  Using Console Commands to auto-revive themselves over and over because they suck will instantly flag them as assholes.

 

Using Console Commands to Teleport to various locations, I don't even mind if someone is doing this, because those locations are all inbounds, unlike the Hydra Glitch, and any valid teleportation location can still be shot at, and jet boosted to, by enemies.  Typically there is no tactical advantage to such locations, as there is little to no cover there.  It is little more than a fun trick.

 

Modded lobbies are a lot of fun, but I agree they should not be open to Public because anyone who joins is expecting a vanilla experience, and whatever you are doing, whether it makes the game harder or easier, it does not meet their expectations.  Basically as long as it does not affect other people's game experience, I don't care.  By that philosophy, even 6/6/6/6/6 isn't a big offense, since it doesn't affect anyone else's experience, but it's not something I personally will use.

[prinsesbubblegum]

*Kssshk* We have lots of credits, Earth-clan *kssssshk*

[Loufi]

Missile glitching and 66666 builds are the two lines I don't cross.

[SethGecko]

I am guilty of the carrier TGI...

Strip me naked and hang me bsn.... for I am full of shame

[Dalakaar]

I am guilty of the carrier TGI...

Strip me naked and hang me bsn.... for I am full of shame

Something tells me we'd have to strip half the forum naked and find a big gaw'damn tree.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Something tells me we'd have to strip half the forum naked and find a big gaw'damn tree.

 

You know, I never actually used the Harrier on the TGI. Maybe I should try it...

[Caineghis2500]

My logic is that if it doesn't affect anyone else's experience then it's not cheating. Missile glitching is the only one to my knowledge that does...

[DaemionMoadrin]

My logic is that if it doesn't affect anyone else's experience then it's not cheating. Missile glitching is the only one to my knowledge that does...

 

What about modded games? Those affect everyone's experience, too.

[Caineghis2500]

What about modded games? Those affect everyone's experience, too.

Yea I forgot about that. Modding is definitely up there. 

 

Edit* Ofcourse for solos it's fine as long as it's publicly admitted if the intent is to make it viable for comparison and for a place on any solo list.... 

[Arktinen]

My logic is that if it doesn't affect anyone else's experience then it's not cheating. Missile glitching is the only one to my knowledge that does.

Fully agreed.

 

Modded games don't happen PS3, so they won't apply to our games.

Although, if playing with friends & agreed on it in advance, it might be interesting to try some super-husk-mode, just for funsies and/or the horror. Or the non-existant areas of the normal maps or maps that never made the cut to the official versions. Judging by the videos posted, many look entertaining.

[Mgamerz]

You can't use the console to get mp credits.

You most certainly can. I know how to do it, just haven't ever had the need to