On the other hand, Valentina Tereshkova beat Sally Ride by almost exactly 20 years, following only 2 years behind Gagarin.
Bioware already gave her a tribute in Mass Effect. There is a system in the Armstrong cluster named after her. Gagarin also gets a couple tributes, a system in the Armstrong cluster and a space station are named after him.
There's a pretty good reason for that.....
I'm guessing you're referring to his affiliation with Nazi Germany, a group he didn't like but had no choice but to work with? I don't see that as a pretty good reason, since Bioware used people affiliated with the Soviet Union who were also enemies of the NATO nations.
I'm guessing you're referring to his affiliation with a certain group he didn't like but had no choice but to work with?
Regardless of his own beliefs, slave labor from concentration camps was used in the German rocketry program while he was part of it
It would be best to just avoid the issue altogether
Regardless of his own beliefs, slave labor from concentration camps was used in the German rocketry program while he was part of it
It would be best to just avoid the issue altogether
He had no input on the matter. There is even a quote from a colleague of his at the time that said he even objected to the use of slave labor but the SS stationed there essentially told him to mind his own business or else. And since there were circumstances beyond someone's control, their contributions should be swept under the rug?
Again, didn't stop them from referencing people from the Soviet Union, whom also used slave labor.
Von Braun would be far too controversial. There are at least some allegations that he might have been a somewhat more enthusiastic member of the Nazi Party than he claimed.
Others claim von Braun engaged in brutal treatment or approved of it. Guy Morand, a French resistance fighter who was a prisoner in Dora, testified in 1995 that after an apparent sabotage attempt that von Braun ordered a prisoner to be flogged, while Robert Cazabonne, another French prisoner claimed von Braun stood by as prisoners were hanged by chains suspended by cranes. However, these accounts may have been a case of mistaken identity.
Proof exists however that von Braun himself went to KZ Buchenwald to pick slave laborers (letter to Albin Sawatzki dated August 15, 1944)[citation needed]. Former inmate Adam Cabala reported: "[...] also the German scientists led by Prof. Wernher von Braun were aware of everything daily. As they went along the corridors, they saw the exhaustion of the inmates, their arduous work and their pain. Not one single time did Prof. Wernher von Braun protest against this cruelty and bestiality during his frequent stays at Dora. Even the aspect of corpses did not touch him: On a small area near the ambulance shed, inmates tortured to death by slave labor and the terror of the overseers were piling up daily. [...] But Prof. Wernher von Braun passed them so close that he was almost touching the corpses."
I think the jury is still out on whether or not he may have willingly participated in war crimes, but even the possibility that he may have...makes him radioactive. Bioware would be foolish quite frankly, to name something after him in the game. There are plenty of safer names from the history of space exploration to draw from.
The Shepard/Gagarin comparison is not a draw. Gagarin was in space first, pure and simple. As for why Riyder? Tereshkova probably wouldn't test well w/ males 18 to 35. Just a guess. 
I did have a femshep names Valentina, however.
Wait! Does this means that a Mr.Ryder can't have Hitler's stache? Outrageous!
There's a pretty good reason for that.....
And now that I started thinking about that, I'm also wondering: Isn't the Systems Alliance supposed to be a supra-national organization? According to the codex, it was founded by the eighteen largest nations of Earth. So I gotta wonder: Where are the Chinese, Germans, Japanese, Russians... ?
Everywhere trough the game.
By that theoretical point in human history, we would probably all be brown people with european surnames anyway.
you can say what you want about Von Braun but without him the US wouldn't have made it to the moon when they did. A genius born during a shitty time in history
It's not like Nazi Germany gave you many choices besides being part of it or dead. If you're a famous scientist during war time chances are high that 1 or more parties want you.
There's a stupid reason for it.
He *might* have had prisoners tortured and *might* have been involved in selecting slave labor from Buchenwald.
That doesn't change the impact he had on the U.S. space program, but the controversies surrounding his war activities are enough to get him left off the tribute list in a Mass Effect game. As far as Germans go, Johannes Kepler would be a better and less controversial choice.
He *might* have had prisoners tortured and *might* have been involved in selecting slave labor from Buchenwald.
That doesn't change the impact he had on the U.S. space program, but the controversies surrounding his war activities are enough to get him left off the tribute list in a Mass Effect game. As far as Germans go, Johannes Kepler would be a better and less controversial choice.
There you have your paragon/renegade option!
You have a bad habit of making up your own version of other peoples conversations. And then carrying on as if you're right.
Like the mass effect 3 ending.
You are the catalyst.
For clarity sake you just argued legal definitions in a philosophical debate about morality.
No, I just extend the logic to make a point. The legal system makes the distinction because we don't put the two on the same moral plane.
No, I just extend the logic to make a point. The legal system makes the distinction because we don't put the two on the same moral plane.
All lies! You are the catalyst! I don't trust you! lol
So should all crimes have a death penalty? Even your example is silly. Here in the US, stealing $1 would be a misdemeanor while stealing $1,000,000 would be a felony.
Blanket, black and white, non-measured moralities are lazy moralities.
Who said anything about Soviet whistleblowers? Ignoring the fact that Bradley Manning is NOT a whistleblower, you're arguing against something no one ever said with an ideology that couldn't be any dumber. All things are not equal. Executing families that committed no crimes is not the same as imprisoning someone for jeopardizing national security. Stealing $1 is not the same as stealing $1,000,000.
He was Bradley when he committed the crime, was convicted, and was put in jail. Its perfectly legitimate to refer to him as Bradley in general, but particularly in this context. That was not the mic drop you think it was.
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Don't start that. I don't know if it actually happened, but there was talk of them using "Bradley Manning committed the crimes, but this is Chelsey Manning, a different person," as a defense.
Don't start what? And even if it did actually happen, what does that have to do with referring to someone by their correct name?
edit: I just realized the whole Manning thing started with a post that has since been deleted, I assume by the Bioware guy that posted earlier. So perhaps we should just drop this lest we incur the Wrath of Mod.
Regardless of his own beliefs, slave labor from concentration camps was used in the German rocketry program while he was part of it
It would be best to just avoid the issue altogether
It's a tricky issue to be sure, but that doesn't mean it should be avoided. But I'll grant you that it would require more then a throwaway name reference.
No, I just extend the logic to make a point. The legal system makes the distinction because we don't put the two on the same moral plane.
From my argentine pov: roleplaying because of names and it's origins is almost silly and here is why: Argentina is country made of people from Italy and Spain in it's vast majority but it also had (and of course has) lots of people from England, Portugal, Germany and France, many thousands of jews are neighbours to a mostly catholic population but nobody acts like it's part of a majority/minority..we are all locals..and the same time, we are not, since the very nature of the country is that it doesn't have a singular culture, religion or ideology. SO...you could be Ryder in Argentina and very few would be surprised. For example: I'm Luca and i'm no roman xd
SO: just because the name is Ryder, doesn't mean that i don't get to roleplay her as if she were me because it's too alien or something..for me, it's cool..but also normal xd
I guess my point of view would be opposite then. If you have Finnish surname you surely are a Finn, but if you don't then your ethnicity is something else and you probably are immigrant or your parents were ^^; Still, I wonder how it would be with Russian surname, would players headcanon their characters right away as Russian and see it limiting or would it be just surname like Shepard was without such associations.
I guess my point of view would be opposite then. If you have Finnish surname you surely are a Finn, but if you don't then your ethnicity is something else and you probably are immigrant or your parents were ^^; Still, I wonder how it would be with Russian surname, would players headcanon their characters right away as Russian and see it limiting or would it be just surname like Shepard was without such associations.
there are many ways to get a last name that's not specific to the country you live in. Marriage is just one of them f.e.
there are many ways to get a last name that's not specific to the country you live in. Marriage is just one of them f.e.
Is that what players would think though? That their character was married to Russian guy and is now widow (cause otherwise romances wouldn't work)?
I guess my point of view would be opposite then. If you have Finnish surname you surely are a Finn, but if you don't then your ethnicity is something else and you probably are immigrant or your parents were ^^; Still, I wonder how it would be with Russian surname, would players headcanon their characters right away as Russian and see it limiting or would it be just surname like Shepard was without such associations.
A surname only comes form one of your parents and one of theirs and so on. It's a pretty small representation of your ethnicity.
Of course it sets first impressions and that's really important for a fictional character but I feel like maybe it shouldn't matter that much in a setting where people are being born offworld.
I guess my point of view would be opposite then. If you have Finnish surname you surely are a Finn, but if you don't then your ethnicity is something else and you probably are immigrant or your parents were ^^; Still, I wonder how it would be with Russian surname, would players headcanon their characters right away as Russian and see it limiting or would it be just surname like Shepard was without such associations.
My cousin's last name is Stowell, despite being a Puerto Rican. In any case, we're talking about well over a century into the future, possibly even more now with Andromeda.
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