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[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I don't see a strong connection to Sally Ride anyway. Ride and Ryder are only vaguely similar names. It would be like naming someone Donaldson, and saying it was a reference to some famous MacDonald.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I hope that wasn't a serious post.

 

Who cares what gender or color Armstrong, Collins, or Aldrin were? Should they not be remembered as heroes or pioneers in space exploration, just because they lived in a time and place where gender or race-based discrimination was more common and overt?

 

If Bioware includes some sort of easter egg that pays tribute to those astronauts, particularly Armstrong...who died in 2012, I think the devs would be deserving of praise for it rather than criticism.

 

Having said that...I'm also digging the tribute to Sally Ride.

 

Armstrong is name of sector space and Aldrin did the voice of the male Stargazer in ME3 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Is that what players would think though? That their character was married to Russian guy and is now widow (cause otherwise romances wouldn't work)?

 

 

You can legally change your name in some countries for various reasons. Here's example actor Nick Cage changed his last named from Coppola to Cage for some reason. Also in the US when people came to the country in the late 19th/early 20th centuries coming from countries Italy and Russia it wasn't uncommon for them to change their last names to more Americanized sounding names. 

[Natureguy85]

And who is we? You? Them? You and them? Everyone as a whole? Or a majority? Not that any of those things actually matter.

1 is different to 2 or is it?

 

 

"We" is society. 1 is different from 2, though you're argument seems to be that it isn't, I guess because both are numbers.

 

 

I'm aboriginal spanish japanese Filipino Irish my son is also Dutch.

Last names aren't much for me in terms of where you're from. You can be called billy Wong and a be African American.

 

I approve of this character.

[Han Shot First]

My cousin's last name is Stowell, despite being a Puerto Rican. In any case, we're talking about well over a century into the future, possibly even more now with Andromeda.

 

I was in the Marines with a Mexican guy named Henderson, and as far he knew everyone in his family was Mexican. Sometimes unexpected ancestors pop up in the family tree. I remember reading a few years ago about some English guy who lived near Hadrian's wall with a somewhat unusual surname, who had a DNA test that turned up African ancestry. They theorized that he might have been descended from an African serving in a Roman auxiliary unit that helped build the wall.

[Dieb]

Well, it's not BioWare's fault that their names suck at being catchy. I mean, do I really expect NPC's to say Tereshkova multiple times? Heck nah.

 

Inquisitor.

 

In-kwy-see-tore.

 

I still twitch when I hear it, so don't you let your guard down.

[Ahglock]

The name should be zoltan and whenever people talk to or about him they say Zoltan while making a z shape with their hands.

[Master Warder Z_]

He *might* have had prisoners tortured and *might* have been involved in selecting slave labor from Buchenwald.

 

That doesn't change the impact he had on the U.S. space program, but the controversies surrounding his war activities are enough to get him left off the tribute list in a Mass Effect game. As far as Germans go, Johannes Kepler would be a better and less controversial choice. 

 

And? I don't think accounts taken during wartime should impact the respectability of a notable scientific figure. I mean crud Walter Gerlach presumably could have heralded a nuclear attack on the United States if his research ever went anywhere, it doesn't stop him from being one of the leading figures in physics and nuclear theory until his death. Allegiance to a flag or ideology is just that, adherence to it doesn't detract brilliance or accomplishments. 

[Han Shot First]

And? I don't think accounts taken during wartime should impact the respectability of a notable scientific figure. I mean crud Walter Gerlach presumably could have heralded a nuclear attack on the United States if his research ever went anywhere, it doesn't stop him from being one of the leading figures in physics and nuclear theory until his death. Allegiance to a flag or ideology is just that, adherence to it doesn't detract brilliance or accomplishments. 

 

I never said that it detracts from his intellectual brilliance or scientific accomplishments. In fact I said the opposite in the post you're replying to. "That doesn't change the impact he had on the U.S. space program..."

 

There is quite a large difference however between denying the man's scientific accomplishments, and leaving him off the easter egg tribute list for a video game. 

[Lucca_de_Neon]

I never said that it detracts from his intellectual brilliance or scientific accomplishments. In fact I said the opposite in the post you're replying to. "That doesn't change the impact he had on the U.S. space program..."

 

There is quite a large difference however between denying the man's scientific accomplishments, and leaving him off the easter egg tribute list for a video game. 

In the grand scheme of things, Nobel blew up a bunch of people and yet he has his own award. 

[Master Warder Z_]

In the grand scheme of things, Nobel blew up a bunch of people and yet he has his own award. 

 

Just so.

 

He created the early prototypes of what we call torpedo, dynamite, etc.

 

He basically crafted the next generation of military explosives himself and yet he has a award ironically in my eye dubbed 'peace' prize, I mean don't  get me wrong I think that the figure is a man of legend in his field, he accelerated a good deal of militant studies after all and may have even had a hand in ushering in the age of the dreadnought given his fascination with the Ironclad battleships of the American Civil War but...'peace' is the last thing that should be attached to his name.

[Natureguy85]

In the grand scheme of things, Nobel blew up a bunch of people and yet he has his own award. 

 

 

Just so.

 

He created the early prototypes of what we call torpedo, dynamite, etc.

 

He basically crafted the next generation of military explosives himself and yet he has a award ironically in my eye dubbed 'peace' prize, I mean don't  get me wrong I think that the figure is a man of legend in his field, he accelerated a good deal of militant studies after all and may have even had a hand in ushering in the age of the dreadnought given his fascination with the Ironclad battleships of the American Civil War but...'peace' is the last thing that should be attached to his name.

 

Actually it's called the Nobel Peace Prize because he created it. He read his own obituary because the paper made a mistake when Alfred Nobel's brother died. It read "The merchant of death is dead." This upset Nobel and he created the prizes to leave a better legacy.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

Actually it's called the Nobel Peace Prize because he created it. He read his own obituary because the paper made a mistake when Alfred Nobel's brother died. It read "The merchant of death is dead." This upset Nobel and he created the prizes to leave a better legacy.

And people accepted that and forgot the rest. At least the other guys left their accomplishments behind and let people make up their own minds. I don't see it as something wrong or right. I see it simply as a matter of fact and they deserve a little tribute like this, IMO

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually it's called the Nobel Peace Prize because he created it. He read his own obituary because the paper made a mistake when Alfred Nobel's brother died. It read "The merchant of death is dead." This upset Nobel and he created the prizes to leave a better legacy.

 

I know the backstory, I just think its sort of...funny.

 

I think the paper called it the first time.

[Big Magnet]

So the protagonist is Ryder?

 

[Ahglock]

No it's OG Loc

[Queen Skadi]

...and if that's indeed a reference to Sally Ride, then that is actually kind of fail in my book.

 

Why? Well, Alan Shepard (supposedly who Shep is named after) was behind Juri Gagarin by less then 2 months. Fine, I'll call that a draw.

 

On the other hand, Valentina Tereshkova beat Sally Ride by almost exactly 20 years, following only 2 years behind Gagarin. 

 

So instead of cool scientific achievements, I'm reminded about US exceptionalism that ignores anything accomplished by non-Americans (also, how NASA was lightyears behind the eastern bloc re: equality).

 

 

And now that I started thinking about that, I'm also wondering: Isn't the Systems Alliance supposed to be a supra-national organization? According to the codex, it was founded by the eighteen largest nations of Earth. So I gotta wonder: Where are the Chinese, Germans, Japanese, Russians... ?

 

Beanstalk you obviously missed the deeper artistic message behind the series, if you understood the significance of how the universe of Mass Effects relates to the world we know you would fully understand why the name was chosen.

 

Basically each of the major galactic species represent a different country on earth, Turians being the Russians, Salarians being Japanese and Batarians being Muslims ect. Humanity is obviously a representation of America, while it is true that many of the other species have achieved things before humanity arrived on the scene their achievements are constantly shown as inconsequential in comparison to that of humanity and it is always humanity that saves the day while the other species flail in terror, while it is true that the Russians beat the Americans into space these achievements don't count because it wasn't Americans who did it, it is why Bioware snubs their noses at the first russian astronauts in space and instead skips to the american astronauts even if it took them 20 years to achieve what the russians already had achieved.

 

Basically the message Bioware is trying to get across is "MURICA!!!! **** YEAH!!!!"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Basically each of the major galactic species represent a different country on earth, Turians being the Russians, Salarians being Japanese and Batarians being Muslims ect. 

Turians are based off the Roman Empire, not Russia

Salarians are based off China, not Japan

Batarians are based off North Korea, not Muslims

[Queen Skadi]

Turians are based off the Roman Empire, not Russia

Salarians are based off China, not Japan

Batarians are based off North Korea, not Muslims

 

Oh really? I was just making **** up, who are the Asari based off?

[Big Magnet]

Oh really? I was just making **** up, who are the Asari based off?

Hootersland

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh really? I was just making **** up, who are the Asari based off?

The ancient Greek city-states. 

[Ahglock]

Oh really? I was just making **** up, who are the Asari based off?

That was professional level **** stirring. I salute you.

[Natureguy85]

So the protagonist is Ryder?

 

 

Ha! I thought of that too, but I hate that guy.

 

 

Basically the message Bioware is trying to get across is "MURICA!!!! **** YEAH!!!!"

 

I'm Natureguy85 and I approve of this message.

 

Anyway, I know you were making stuff up but it was funny.

[Ahglock]

I want to play gta San Andreas again. I loved that game. Damn you all.

[Master Warder Z_]

No it's OG Loc

Odd Loc