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[Big Magnet]

Put the entire San Andreas voice cast in Andromeda, a Krogan named Big Smoke, plus some James Brown songs and I'll pre-buy it with my eyes closed.

[Ahglock]

^ hell yeah.

[PatrickBateman]

In the grand scheme of things, Nobel blew up a bunch of people and yet he has his own award.

Yes, but Nobel did not willingly serve the most vile and evil regime this world have seen.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yes, but Nobel did not willingly serve the most vile and evil regime this world have seen.

Course Nobel died like a half century before Stalin came to power. So obviously he wasn't a part of his government.

[PatrickBateman]

Course Nobel died like a half century before Stalin came to power. So obviously he wasn't a part of his government.

Nice trolling attempt pal 0/10

[Master Warder Z_]

Nice trolling attempt pal 0/10

Regime with the arguably largest recorded body count in history labeled as trolling. Noted.

[Laughing_Man]

Regime with the arguably largest recorded body count in history labeled as trolling. Noted.

 

Hitler may have failed to get to stalin's "impressive" body count, but not for lack of trying or compassion, just incompetence and thinking that his own farts smelled like roses.

[PatrickBateman]

Regime with the arguably largest recorded body count in history labeled as trolling. Noted.

Read up on your history and you will see what Von Braun and his pals planned to do in Eastern Europe and Russia had they won the war.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hitler may have failed to get to stalin's "impressive" body count, but not for lack of trying or compassion, just incompetence and thinking that his own farts smelled like roses.

I think it has something to do with Stalin getting a head start on the purges. Really, he went and started years before the war even kicked off!

I pity anyone who had to live through Stalin, ethnic cleansing, gulags, NKVD, mass executions...gulags, all years and years before the second war kicked off and Hitler started. Some estimates put Stalin's body count at around 1.5 million by 1939.

And then you get all the nastiness of the war which added to it considerably. Then it continued until 53, Stalin beat Hitler simply by time and having six times the population of 'undesirables'.

50 plus million people killed by that lunatic... Hitler isn't even in the damn ballpark :/

[Laughing_Man]

I think it has something to do with Stalin getting a head start on the purges. Really, he went and started years before the war even kicked off!

I pity anyone who had to live through Stalin, ethnic cleansing, gulags, NKVD, mass executions...gulags, all years and years before the second war kicked off and Hitler started. Some estimates put Stalin's body count at around 1.5 million by 1939.

And then you get all the nastiness of the war which added to it considerably. Then it continued until 53, Stalin beat Hitler simply by time and having six times the population of 'undesirables'.

50 plus million people killed by that lunatic... Hitler isn't even in the damn ballpark :/

 

Between 60 and 80 million people died in the second world war, Hitler bears most of the blame for all those deaths.

So yeah, if there is justice or hell, he and Stalin are probably stuck on neighboring barbecues.

[Master Warder Z_]

Between 60 and 80 million people died in the second world war, Hitler bears most of the blame for all those deaths.
So yeah, if there is justice or hell, he and Stalin are probably stuck on neighboring barbecues.

*snorts* agree to disagree. Hitler was a monster but I'd hardly pin the entire war on him, he only got appointed because that party got popular due to French Greed leaching the country for all it was worth until the economy tanked in 32. Incidentally did you know they stationed military forces in Germany prompting a international incident in a effort to squeeze said money out quicker?

The majority of factors leading to that war fall back in its embers in the 20s.From seizure of colonies to that Treaty, to the dismantling of the army which led to massive unemployment, which was heightened by the governments inability to actually pay wages in most cases, really I'd cite Hitler as a insane nut who declared that war and struck first but the lead up to it was two decades past in Paris in the aftermath of the great war.

So in truth? I think a LOT of people are responsible for pulling the pin on that grenade, various leaders across the allied powers share responsibility for enabling that man to actually take power. I mean really did they think that it would be fine at the time to kick Germany into ruin? Hindsight may be 20/20 but even I can see how hatred would linger over the aftermath of that war.

Because in truth? I think it was inevitability that it occur, too much pride, loss and anger on both sides of the conflict, it would have occurred one way or another. So yeah Hitler was a monster, killed millions, but 'mostly' responsible for all the deaths of the war? No, I'd cite a bunch of long dead Japanese, Americans, British, and French people for that.

[ZipZap2000]

"We" is society. 1 is different from 2, though you're argument seems to be that it isn't, I guess because both are numbers.



I approve of this character.

No but you're on the right path, in any case lets leave what was two days ago to two days ago.

Or was it one?

Billy Wong Ryder has all kinds of weirdness attached to it but I think I'd jump at the chance.

[Laughing_Man]

*snorts* agree to disagree. Hitler was a monster but I'd hardly pin the entire war on him, he only got appointed because that party got popular due to French Greed leaching the country for all it was worth until the economy tanked in 32. Incidentally did you know they stationed military forces in Germany prompting a international incident in a effort to squeeze said money out quicker?

The majority of factors leading to that war fall back in its embers in the 20s.From seizure of colonies to that Treaty, to the dismantling of the army which led to massive unemployment, which was heightened by the governments inability to actually pay wages in most cases, really I'd cite Hitler as a insane nut who declared that war and struck first but the lead up to it was two decades past in Paris in the aftermath of the great war.

So in truth? I think a LOT of people are responsible for pulling the pin on that grenade, various leaders across the allied powers share responsibility for enabling that man to actually take power. I mean really did they think that it would be fine at the time to kick Germany into ruin? Hindsight may be 20/20 but even I can see how hatred would linger over the aftermath of that war.

Because in truth? I think it was inevitability that it occur, too much pride, loss and anger on both sides of the conflict, it would have occurred one way or another. So yeah Hitler was a monster, killed millions, but 'mostly' responsible for all the deaths of the war? No, I'd cite a bunch of long dead Japanese, Americans, British, and French people for that.

 

This is a fallacy. You are equating the butterfly that beat its wings to the hurricane itself.

 

Did many people do lots of dumb crap that eventually led to WW2? Undoubtedly.

 

However, Hitler was still the arch-demon that whipped almost an entire nation into a monstrous blood-frenzy,

initiated and directed the spilling of an ocean of innocent blood and reveled in the suffering that was the holocaust,

and last but not least - actually opened the war.

[ZipZap2000]

This thread has too much Hitler in it. Wtf happened here?

[Laughing_Man]

This thread has too much Hitler in it. Wtf happened here?

 

There is an internet rule about it IIRC.

[Master Warder Z_]

This is a fallacy. You are equating the butterfly that beat its wings to the hurricane itself.

No I'm citing the reason why he came so close to power in the first place, the lead up of his rise to power all stems from the post war situation. The NSDAP went from a party with TWO seats in parliament in 28 when everything was 'fine' and the French got their gold but lo and behold... 32 rolls around they close with a hundred plus seats in the parliament primarily once again due to the financial crisis of that same year.

So it all directly correlates...Unless if you think time operates upon a straight line principle and 'Hitler' would merely have a stand in for his portion in global events. Which I guess I can't refute given its a theory on the operation of time.

Because I personally? Don't see the extremist nutjobs taking power in a country that's stable.

[Laughing_Man]

Don't see the extremist nutjobs taking power in a country that's stable.

 

Nothing is stable forever, the illusion that something is stable by default is just that - an illusion, chaos is the natural state of the universe.

There is always something. Money, religion, freedom, ideology, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.

 

It takes a particularly vicious and and psychopathic monster to channel all this into WW2 and the holocaust.

(especially as memories of WW1 were still relatively fresh)

[Master Warder Z_]

Nothing is stable forever

On that we do agree, as I said prior I think it could have happened before or after Hitler even if things went differently, there was simply too much bad blood to disperse on both sides.

That said I think Hitler is a circumstance only allowed by outside influence as are all monsters. It takes something to generate support for something evil, it takes cause and effect as all things do.

That war is the product of a vacuum of one man but the stupidity, racism and greed of dozens long before that man got anywhere near important enough to matter on the global stage.

Unlike say Stalin in which you can directly connect him to nearly all his atrocities after seizure of power before the war or after it...or during it.

Hitler was a small fry when Stalin was butchering hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. That too me is reason enough for me to cite Stalin as worse, Hitler required a war at least.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

Back on subtopic number who knows. Von Braun deserves a mention.

[Steelcan]

Back on subtopic number who knows. Von Braun deserves a mention.

sure but not as a major character or something, name a star in some random section after him maybe.

 

Or not since why they'd do that in an entirely new galaxy is beyond me...

[Master Warder Z_]

sure but not as a major character or something, name a star in some random section after him maybe.

 

Or not since why they'd do that in an entirely new galaxy is beyond me...

 

I'd name a world after him given that humanity is colonizing and all, this crap needs something pronounceable after you kill all the natives via carpet bombing and biological weapons and annex their corpse pile laden lands. I have a entire book of names for famous and not so famous humans, I don't appear but that's just because I am not that vain.