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[Esi]

Well I haven't seen this discussed yet or haven't been able to find the discussion if there ever was one.

 

Now regrading the Grey Warden and Morrigan. In my play-through; Morrigan and the Grey Warden have a kid, buddy tsundere romance. In the events of the Inquisition the Grey Warden is supposedly looking for a cure for the blight yes? If you don't know or remember it's the Calling the infamous voices in your head, signals you're turning into Dark Spawn and need to kill yourself in glorious fashion by going into the deep roads by killing Dark Spawn. Now I know my Grey Warden would do me proud and go all Sparta in those scrubby Dark Spawn but I want him to live out a long happy life with Morrigan and his kid. And it just so happens the Inquisitor and Morrigan stumble unto the collective knowledge of all ancient mythal priests. 

 

You're given a choice as to who drinks, Morrigan or the Inquisitor. Now let's say you let Morrigan drink from that well which is described as thousand years old head sweat of elves, does she gain knowledge as to know of a cure for the Grey Warden? If so, hell yeah. But there's also the enslaved to Mythal bit if you do right? Now say the Inquisitor drinks, can't Morrigan just ask the Inquisitor of a way to do it? 'Cause I'm fine with my Inquisitor being enslaved to Mythal since he's already someone who's probably gonna be written as the second Andraste or what not.

 

Things to consider:

 

 

Keep in mind, that this theory is working with other theories. And it may seem to be reaching out, but bear with me.

 

So I had got myself thinking about Solas and why he seems to have such a disgruntled attitude towards the Grey Wardens. I don't think he hates them, persay. But there's definitely something that they're doing that pisses Solas off. Alright, now let's switch over to the Well of Mythal. When one drinks from the well, they are bound to Mythal's will. If you recall, Solas gets pissed about the inquisitor (if you did) drinking from the well, ranting about how you're now bound and blah blah blah and that you don't know what it means to be bound to a god forever. So, now that we have some context established; I would like to point out that to become a grey warden you have to drink darkspawn blood. After you drink it, you hear voices, get sick or whatever, and pass out. Sound familiar? That's similar to what happens at the well of mythal. So what if the darkspawn serve as a 'well' for the 'old gods'... which are possibly also the 'forgotten ones', but that's a different theory all on it's own, and I'm not going to get into that. But let's presume that it is correct. And the archdemons serve as biological prisons for the souls of the old gods/ forgotten ones. So when the wardens kill the archdemon, they are releasing the soul, which then serves as a key to unlock the fade... or something else, like the Abyss. So, if the Wardens are drinking the will of said gods, and now they're unlocking their prisons, is it possible that the Wardens are unintentionally building an army for these old gods. So when they break out of their prisons, they're pretty much already set. I think that would be a good reason for Solas' pissy attitude. (Y'know, since he's fen'harel and he locked the gods away in the seperate realms... and when they get out, they're probably going to be pretty angry about it.)

Courtesy: Qixus Posted 20 December 2015 - 04:36 PM   Warden's Theory. And Solas.

 

Yes, much RP.

[GoldenAngelHeart]

I am not sure if the Well of Sorrows would have the knowledge that would cure it. Isn't it primarily Elven knowledge? 

 

Recently, I was replaying "The Witch Hunt". Just before Morrigan went into the mirror, when she gave back the Dalish Tome, she also said there was some information that my Warden would be very interested in. That right there had me wondering if it was actually Morrigan that sets the Warden on the path to finding the cure for "The Calling" in the first place. I could be wrong but it's a thought.

[BroBear Berbil]

I wouldn't put much stock in anything BioWare says about the Hero of Ferelden at this point. I think the quest they were conveniently on during Inquisition was just thrown in as a way to not have to deal with the character. I say this because in the Trespasser epilogue, my HoF who was king-consort of Ferelden and kept Leliana as his mistress, was back in Thedas and meeting up with Leliana whenever he could. There was no mention of the Calling or if he discovered anything.

 

That says to me that there really is no plan for HoF and you can head canon it if you want.

 

As for the Darkspawn thing, there are several issues with that particular theory. There is definitely something more to Solas' concerns with Grey Wardens and Old Gods though. I just don't know how the puzzle pieces fit together.

 

Trespasser has some glimpses at what the connection might be. The ancient Elves went to war with the Titans for some reason - the final conversation with Solas seems to hint that fear played a role in it. Also in that conversation if I understood it correctly, the Evanuris were great generals at this time and later became kings, and then gods to the Elven people. This was likely accomplished with the power of lyrium they harvested from Titans, as the Inquisitor mentions when you find the mural in the Deep Roads in Trespasser. The codex entries in that part of Trespasser also hint at something terrible in the Deep Roads or below that would have predated the Darkspawn...

 

 

In the light of the veilfire, the runes seem to shift, coiling and uncoiling like snakes. A thunderous voice shatters the stillness, shouting:

"Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demense unto the People! Praise her name forever!"

For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire.
The vision grows dark. An aeon seems to pass. Then the runes crackle, as if filled with an angry energy.
A new vision appears: elves collapsing caverns, sealing the Deep Roads with stone and magic.
Terror, heart-pounding, ice-cold, as the last of the spells is cast.
A voice whispers:

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."

[Esi]

I wouldn't put much stock in anything BioWare says about the Hero of Ferelden at this point. I think the quest they were conveniently on during Inquisition was just thrown in as a way to not have to deal with the character. I say this because in the Trespasser epilogue, my HoF who was king-consort of Ferelden and kept Leliana as his mistress, was back in Thedas and meeting up with Leliana whenever he could. There was no mention of the Calling or if he discovered anything.

 

That says to me that there really is no plan for HoF and you can head canon it if you want.

 

As for the Darkspawn thing, there are several issues with that particular theory. There is definitely something more to Solas' concerns with Grey Wardens and Old Gods though. I just don't know how the puzzle pieces fit together.

 

Trespasser has some glimpses at what the connection might be. The ancient Elves went to war with the Titans for some reason - the final conversation with Solas seems to hint that fear played a role in it. Also in that conversation if I understood it correctly, the Evanuris were great generals at this time and later became kings, and then gods to the Elven people. This was likely accomplished with the power of lyrium they harvested from Titans, as the Inquisitor mentions when you find the mural in the Deep Roads in Trespasser. The codex entries in that part of Trespasser also hint at something terrible in the Deep Roads or below that would have predated the Darkspawn...

This is just sad, this just concretes the idea that we won't get any continuation of the Grey Warden's story. I guess it's time for me to write some fan fict about my Warden and have that made into a book with everything to make it look legit all in the while being heavily intoxicated as for me to forget about doing everything myself. Wake up in the morning to find the book and fan-girl squeal for a bit and recognize it as cannon.

 

Regarding the matter on the Deep Roads bit, it gives me the chills. Like when I went theorizing what Flemmeth could be, at one point I thought she was the Maker in human form and that's why the Golden City was empty when the Magisters went into the fade.

[Esi]

I am not sure if the Well of Sorrows would have the knowledge that would cure it. Isn't it primarily Elven knowledge? 

 

Recently, I was replaying "The Witch Hunt". Just before Morrigan went into the mirror, when she gave back the Dalish Tome, she also said there was some information that my Warden would be very interested in. That right there had me wondering if it was actually Morrigan that sets the Warden on the path to finding the cure for "The Calling" in the first place. I could be wrong but it's a thought.

Not really sure on it myself, but they've been on Thedas the longest (or whatever is was called before RP wise heh). They must've at the least had some sort of magic, potion or what-not. Look at Tranquility, it's already reversible. Maybe the same may hold true for being a Warden?

 

Fionna is annoying the heck out of me, first mage recruited from a circle by the Wardens and first to be kicked out because her Blight was somehow removed? Maybe there's a backdoor, as same with how Seekers are made, help from spirits in the fade.

[Gervaise]

I think if the ancient elves knew how to cure the Blight they would have done so.   It seems pretty heavily implied that the elves were collapsing the caverns in the Deep Roads to stop something terrible escaping that was likely the darkspawn taint itself.    The dwarves have always maintained that its origins had nothing to do with the actions of the Magisters as the Chantry maintain.     My guess is that it is a corrupted Titan.    After all, red lyrium is corrupted lyrium and lyrium is the blood of the titans.    One of the characters in the Descent suggests that a better way to end the Blights would be to seek out the broodmothers and kill them since then there would be no more darkspawn.    Likely somewhere in the Deep Roads is the ultimate Broodmother.   

 

We will definitely need to find a cure for the taint because of the presence of red lyrium on the surface and the fact that it will grow from any organic material, so almost impossible to eradicate it.      It may well be this also links into the efforts to stop Solas because he believes the current world has to die in order to get rid of red lyrium, so if you prove you can eradicate it, then that weakens his argument for continuing with his plan.

 

I think his dislike of the Wardens stems from the fact that they came up with a short term fix for a long term problem.  Also we only have Andraste's word for it that it is the darkspawn tunnelling that taint and release the old gods.    The Architect seemed to think it was his efforts to communicate with Urthemiel that caused its corruption but may be he was simply waking up a creature that was corrupt already.    Certainly it is the song of the old gods that seems to keep the darkspawn underground.   Lyrium and red lyrium are also said to "sing", so if the old god was already corrupted with red lyrium, that could account for the song being attractive to darkspawn.

[Esi]

I think if the ancient elves knew how to cure the Blight they would have done so.   It seems pretty heavily implied that the elves were collapsing the caverns in the Deep Roads to stop something terrible escaping that was likely the darkspawn taint itself.    The dwarves have always maintained that its origins had nothing to do with the actions of the Magisters as the Chantry maintain.     My guess is that it is a corrupted Titan.    After all, red lyrium is corrupted lyrium and lyrium is the blood of the titans.    One of the characters in the Descent suggests that a better way to end the Blights would be to seek out the broodmothers and kill them since then there would be no more darkspawn.    Likely somewhere in the Deep Roads is the ultimate Broodmother.   

 

We will definitely need to find a cure for the taint because of the presence of red lyrium on the surface and the fact that it will grow from any organic material, so almost impossible to eradicate it.      It may well be this also links into the efforts to stop Solas because he believes the current world has to die in order to get rid of red lyrium, so if you prove you can eradicate it, then that weakens his argument for continuing with his plan.

 

I think his dislike of the Wardens stems from the fact that they came up with a short term fix for a long term problem.  Also we only have Andraste's word for it that it is the darkspawn tunnelling that taint and release the old gods.    The Architect seemed to think it was his efforts to communicate with Urthemiel that caused its corruption but may be he was simply waking up a creature that was corrupt already.    Certainly it is the song of the old gods that seems to keep the darkspawn underground.   Lyrium and red lyrium are also said to "sing", so if the old god was already corrupted with red lyrium, that could account for the song being attractive to darkspawn.

You make a good point, but infact if we think of killing the broodmothers as a solution we'll have to ask ourselves; which came first? The chicken or the egg? How about Fionna though? What's her explanation?

[Dai Grepher]

Not sure what the OP is asking. The Hero is searching for the cure already, and Trespasser's epilogue seems to indicate that the cure was found, since the Hero returns if Leliana was romanced, and logically this would apply to all characters in general, that they would all return since the mission is over.

 

The question remains if the Hero found the cure or not, but I'm sure it was found. It would be stupid to have the Hero leave for all that time and come up empty. The cure could also play a major role in the next game.

 

As for the secret to the cure residing in the Well, I think that would be too easy. The Inquisitor or Morrigan could simply ask the voices, and I see no reason why the voices would not reveal the cure if they knew. The Blight threatens everyone, even Flemeth and Mythal.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

The Hero is searching for the cure already, and Trespasser's epilogue seems to indicate that the cure was found, since the Hero returns if Leliana was romanced, and logically this would apply to all characters in general, that they would all return since the mission is over.

 

 

Which obviously doesn't mean that the cure was found at all,since there are no proof of that.

[sim-ran]

Oh my God the HoF is NEVER coming back! It'd been six years, get over it already!

[GoldenAngelHeart]

Oh my God the HoF is NEVER coming back! It'd been six years, get over it already!

 

No one has said anything about wanting the HoF to return. This is merely a discussion about how information could be gained regarding the cure for the calling.

[Dai Grepher]

Which obviously doesn't mean that the cure was found at all,since there are no proof of that.

 

No definitive proof, but why would the Hero return empty-handed? I would think he or she would just keep searching. Either the cure was found, or it was a wild goose chase, and I don't see Morrigan's lead being that. She seemed rather sure of her research, and Morrigan herself would not send her beloved away on such a search unless she was confident it would yield results.

[sim-ran]

I was (perhaps over)reacting to the comment "This is just sad, this just concretes the idea that we won't get any continuation of the Grey Warden's story."

[Lebanese Dude]

we won't get any continuation of the Grey Warden's story."

 

What is the Grey Warden's story exactly?
 

I honestly want to know what they think.

 

I'm pretty damn sure their story is over. DAI is the beginning of the actual story of Thedas. Trespasser all but spells it out for the player.

 

Hell it literally spelled it out with all those Elven codex entries in the temple of Mythal and Trespasser.

[GoldenGail3]

No one has said anything about wanting the HoF to return. This is merely a discussion about how information could be gained regarding the cure for the calling.

 

Well; about Red Lryum because it's tainted blood. 

[DAOnut]

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You're given a choice as to who drinks, Morrigan or the Inquisitor. Now let's say you let Morrigan drink from that well which is described as thousand years old head sweat of elves, does she gain knowledge as to know of a cure for the Grey Warden? If so, hell yeah. But there's also the enslaved to Mythal bit if you do right? Now say the Inquisitor drinks, can't Morrigan just ask the Inquisitor of a way to do it? 'Cause I'm fine with my Inquisitor being enslaved to Mythal since he's already someone who's probably gonna be written as the second Andraste or what not.

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At the end of the main game Solas kills Mythal, so from my view if your Inquisitor drank from the well she is now free and clear with the ancient knowledge.  With the look Morrigan give you as you drank, she can't leave Skyhold fast enough, would she still ask you for advice?

[Esi]

What is the Grey Warden's story exactly?
 

I honestly want to know what they think.

 

I'm pretty damn sure their story is over. DAI is the beginning of the actual story of Thedas. Trespasser all but spells it out for the player.

 

Hell it literally spelled it out with all those Elven codex entries in the temple of Mythal and Trespasser.

I was gesturing as to a happy or whatever end for the HoF, because it seemed like it at the time that he was just going to be left hanging. But as earlier stated the story will end not because lore dictates it but how his import was implemented in the game, multiple side quests for specific characters each with their own ends.

[Esi]

At the end of the main game Solas kills Mythal, so from my view if your Inquisitor drank from the well she is now free and clear with the ancient knowledge.  With the look Morrigan give you as you drank, she can't leave Skyhold fast enough, would she still ask you for advice?

That's what I was pondering about before I made the decision if I let Morrigan drink it enslavement to her mother but hey might possibly know the cure, but if the Inquisitor drinks it, Morrigan can just ask him about it and let him be enslaved. The end bit though saves Morrigan from that binding thing, so I guess it wouldn't matter if she drank it herself.

[Esi]

No definitive proof, but why would the Hero return empty-handed? I would think he or she would just keep searching. Either the cure was found, or it was a wild goose chase, and I don't see Morrigan's lead being that. She seemed rather sure of her research, and Morrigan herself would not send her beloved away on such a search unless she was confident it would yield results.

Well Morrigan hasn't always been right, maybe HoF just wanted to take a break?

[Lebanese Dude]

I was gesturing as to a happy or whatever end for the HoF, because it seemed like it at the time that he was just going to be left hanging. But as earlier stated the story will end not because lore dictates it but how his import was implemented in the game, multiple side quests for specific characters each with their own ends.

 

Oh. Well yeah there are understandable limitations.

 

Still the lore regarding the Warden isn't necessarily complete. The Warden just won't play a directly visible part in the story moving forward.

 

The Warden may yet have a part to play in the Grey Warden story heavily hinted to be in the next installment. Something to do with the cure.

 

Maybe they'll let us recreate one like Hawke. *shrug* You never know, although that would require players to not be anal about having them be voiced

 

What's not sensible is to expect BioWare to cater an entire storyline (or game for that matter) for the Warden. That's just unfeasible. Their time in the spotlight is over.

[Esi]

Oh. Well yeah there are understandable limitations.

 

Still the lore regarding the Warden isn't necessarily complete. The Warden just won't play a directly visible part in the story moving forward.

 

The Warden may yet have a part to play in the Grey Warden story heavily hinted to be in the next installment. Something to do with the cure.

 

Maybe they'll let us recreate one like Hawke. *shrug* You never know, although that would require players to not be anal about having them be voiced

 

What's not sensible is to expect BioWare to cater an entire storyline (or game for that matter) for the Warden. That's just unfeasible. Their time in the spotlight is over.

I'm getting a lot of hints that it'll probably another Grey Warden recruit...

 

We've seen them change things right before release anyway, like those special missions as where you had to save the town or the keep which I didn't see in game at all. There was a video at their youtube site about it I think, or maybe a leak? Can't recall all I remember is that if you save the keep town is dead along with merchants and Varric is all emotional. So it's not gonna be a solid Grey Warden game, it's literally gonna be up to their whims. But after Trespasser, I think that they would be the most fitting role to play for next DA.

 

I'm particularly fine with unvoiced PCs but after already released two games of the same franchise with voiced PCs it's hard going back to said unvoiced.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

No definitive proof, but why would the Hero return empty-handed? I would think he or she would just keep searching. Either the cure was found, or it was a wild goose chase, and I don't see Morrigan's lead being that. She seemed rather sure of her research, and Morrigan herself would not send her beloved away on such a search unless she was confident it would yield results.

The search of the cure was just a throwaway element used to remove the character from the lands involved into the main conflict until it was necessary,mean exactly until the end of the last Dlc.

This contrived subplot amounted to nothing of substantial because it was meant   to get rid of the wardens not contemplated into the standard world state,also the idea that a cure can be found by searching it instead to researching it with experimentation whatever medical or magical is laughable.

 

[Dai Grepher]

The search of the cure was just a throwaway element used to remove the character from the lands involved into the main conflict until it was necessary,mean exactly until the end of the last Dlc.

This contrived subplot amounted to nothing of substantial because it was meant   to get rid of the wardens not contemplated into the standard world state,also the idea that a cure can be found by searching it instead to researching it with experimentation whatever medical or magical is laughable.

 

Throwaway plot or not, it's part of the story now. And there are only two old gods left anyway. So changing the dynamics of the Grey Wardens seems appropriate at this stage. This could play into what happened at Weisshaupt with Hawke or the surviving Warden.

 

I don't think it's laughable that a land that has not even heard of the darkspawn taint would hold a cure for it. The cure might be the type of thing that cures any blood illness or removes any curse. But if you want research to be involved as well, then the "cure" might just be a major component in cleansing the taint. I myself would find it more interesting to have this be one of several steps in developing a cure. Combing it with research from Avernus, the Architect, and maybe even a Circle Tower or two, would make for an entertaining main quest.

[ModernAcademic]

You know, when you mentioned the Calling and the voices from the Well of Sorrows, it just sparked something in my mind...

 

What if the magic involved in creating the Calling is the same that was used to make the Well?

 

Some sort of magic that preserves the consciousness of a living entity and can be absorbed by drinking it?

 

 

 

Doesn't Corypheus know old elven magic,like every ancient Tevinter magister? Wouldn't he and the other seven chosen magisters have learned about such magic?

[Esi]

You know, when you mentioned the Calling and the voices from the Well of Sorrows, it just sparked something in my mind...

 

What if the magic involved in creating the Calling is the same that was used to make the Well?

 

Some sort of magic that preserves the consciousness of a living entity and can be absorbed by drinking it?

 

 

 

Doesn't Corypheus know old elven magic,like every ancient Tevinter magister? Wouldn't he and the other seven chosen magisters have learned about such magic?

That's a nice idea, which could also be linked to enthrallment if you've played the DA:O DLC the one where you play as the Dark Spawn. You get more party members by enthrallment, in which case we know that drinking from the well of sorrows gets you enslaved by Mythal. Connection? Bit far off I'd guess, but nonetheless interesting.