Going back to Cailan and Celene. If in case he does decide to divorce/annul Anora and marries Celene, would Gaspard even be against the potential union?
Better question, does Gaspard, Loghain, or any other opposing factions have the smarts or the strength to pull a Red Wedding?
Gaspard might have been okay with it, even if it's not to his particular style.
Loghain would have done a Red Wedding. Judging by his actions in Denerim, he's fully capable of it.
And their are still assholes who call Loghain a bad villain...
Loghain is a baddie and as killable as any Darkspawn.. In my games he dies for his crimes.
And their are still assholes who call Loghain a bad villain...
Ostagar NOT Loghain's supreme sin; that is only one among many.
still their is no need to keep loghain alive .
alistar have royal blood just like cailan . with anora cleaver rule and alistair leadership . Ferelden is good .
loghain can cause problem in the future . yes he did what he see good to the ferlandan but he may take it to a point of killing kings / wardens and sacrifing anything wich make him nothing than a mad man .
you etheir die a hero - ostigar battle - or live enought to becaume the vilain - landmeet-
And their are still assholes who call Loghain a bad villain...
Are you trying claim Loghain is not a villan or that he is not a bad villain? Because if it is the former then there are plenty of reasons to consider Loghain a villain even without taken how people may see his actions at Ostagar into account. A notably reason is him consenting to selling citizens of Fereldan into slavery. He was, if I remember correctly, unapologetic about it.
I dearly wished we had the following dialogue option as a response to when Loghain spouts this hypocritical line:
Loghain: "How much Ferelden blood does Orlesian gold buy these days?"
Warden: "How much Ferelden blood does Tevinter gold buy these days?"
Shechinah,I agree with your ideas.. The writers missed their marks with several answers that would have been much,much better.
I fail to see how anybody can not see Loghain for the asp of a man he is.. He will never be spared in my games. He sealed his doom thrice .. First by sending assassins after my warden, secondly allowing Howe to purge the Alienage and thirdly selling my wardens friends and family into slavery.
Are you trying claim Loghain is not a villan or that he is not a bad villain? Because if it is the former then there are plenty of reasons to consider Loghain a villain even without taken how people may see his actions at Ostagar into account. A notably reason is him consenting to selling citizens of Fereldan into slavery. He was, if I remember correctly, unapologetic about it.
I dearly wished we had the following dialogue option as a response to when Loghain spouts this hypocritical line:
Loghain: "How much Ferelden blood does Orlesian gold buy these days?"
Warden: "How much Ferelden blood does Tevinter gold buy these days?"
I took it as bad being an adjective describing villain. He's obviously a villain. I think he's a good one.
I like your idea too.
Why wouldn't it be a joint monarchy, like Spain under Ferdinand and Isabella? It doesn't make sense to speak of Aragon being a province under Castilian rule, nor the reverse. Probably not stable in the long term, but Ferelden is much more powerful and cohesive relative to Orlais than Aragon was relative to Castile. Or Scotland relative to England, etc.
Because Orlais is determined to get its "lost province" back. They have the stronger military, they have the stronger economy and they 99% of the time have the backing of the Chantry.
What would be more likely to happen is that Celene would have had Anora "removed" to put it politely and it would likely be permanent, as in lethal, and would walk rings around Cailan and essentially absorb Ferelden into their culture.
Ferelden seems to be a weak nation in terms of politics and army compared to his neighbor, without the GW and the Inquisition I don't think that the country could've survived whatever Orlais was trying to do with it.
Apo,The GWs never ally their selves with any country they are a nonpolitical and independent group of fighters that specializes in fighting Darkspawn raids and ending blights.
Apo,The GWs never ally their selves with any country they are a nonpolitical and independent group of fighters that specializes in fighting Darkspawn raids and ending blights.
I was talking about Alistair and the HoF not the organization 
should have mentionned that precisely
APO,I'm not really sure if Alistair or the HoF should be made king or queen since he/she is a GW. I'm thinking that might violate the GW policy. I dunno.
I agree with you but you also have to remember that in Loghain's mind elves are not people.Are you trying claim Loghain is not a villan or that he is not a bad villain? Because if it is the former then there are plenty of reasons to consider Loghain a villain even without taken how people may see his actions at Ostagar into account. A notably reason is him consenting to selling citizens of Fereldan into slavery. He was, if I remember correctly, unapologetic about it.
I dearly wished we had the following dialogue option as a response to when Loghain spouts this hypocritical line:
Loghain: "How much Ferelden blood does Orlesian gold buy these days?"
Warden: "How much Ferelden blood does Tevinter gold buy these days?"
Unless the Divine is with the warden of courseBecause Orlais is determined to get its "lost province" back. They have the stronger military, they have the stronger economy and they 99% of the time have the backing of the Chantry.
can we stop a moment .
you are a grey warden . you condam him to death for his crime against the grey warden and not against Ferelden
we do not kill him for what his reason to betray the king or his action to rule or save Ferelden
we condam him for causing death of Duncan elder of the warden and the one that would have probably killed the archdemon if he didnt die in ostigar.
for sending assassins to the remaining wardens aka alistar and the warden . who are the last hope to stop the blight .
for stoping wardens from Orlais to enter Ferelden and causing more problem to stop the bilght .
see , i dont kill him for Ferelden politics . i kill him for his crime against the Grey wardens .
can we stop a moment .
you are a grey warden . you condam him to death for his crime against the grey warden and not against Ferelden
we do not kill him for what his reason to betray the king or his action to rule or save Ferelden
we condam him for causing death of Duncan elder of the warden and the one that would have probably killed the archdemon if he didnt die in ostigar.
for sending assassins to the remaining wardens aka alistar and the warden . who are the last hope to stop the blight .
for stoping wardens from Orlais to enter Ferelden and causing more problem to stop the bilght .
see , i dont kill him for Ferelden politics . i kill him for his crime against the Grey wardens .
I fail to see how anybody can not see Loghain for the asp of a man he is..
Because your point of view is not the only one who exists maybe?
I recruit him because i find useful to have another GW and the order is not about justice is about kill the archdemon only (spirit included)
Aren,Maybe I see him for what he really is and the need to kill him. I will never understand those that sets him free for his crimes.
Now personally a man that hired assassins to kill me or sold my family and friends into slavery would receive a lovely dovey all is forgiven mercy. What he would see is a combat veteran on a killing spree.
Now personally a man that hired assassins to kill me or sold my family and friends into slavery would receive a lovely dovey all is forgiven mercy.
because mercy will set you free while revenge will restrain the chains of the vicious cycle of hatred!
i'm an angel i know not everyone can be like me.
DF,Lose the Landsmeet and see how much mercy he shows your warden,Alistair and Eamon.. He can't wait to have them taken outside and executed.
And yes,I know that from experience. 
That's another reason I show no mercy.
"Loghain is the enemy, wade into him, stab him in the belly and spill his blood before he stabs you in the belly and spills your blood. Mage Chasha to her champion Leliana.
Using Anora's statement about Cailan having other women and still no children as proof that he's the infertile one in the pairing is shaky. She lies about other things, so why should we accept this at face value? Yes, kings historically had affairs and bastard children, but this is Thedas we're talking about. This history has a holy woman, not a man, so it doesn't make sense that Thedas would have the real world's double standard of "kings can do it, queens can't". (And actually, that double standard makes perfect sense. People can always be certain of a child's maternity, but not paternity unless the mother has been strictly monogamous.)
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