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[Angry_Elcor]

I was under the impression that a question was supposed to have a question mark at the end of it. Usually an exclamation point is used when one is making an emphatic statement (or just really excited.) Either way, I can't imagine anyone would go on the internet to create a thread for an issue that doesn't exist, in an effort to stir people up. That never happens.

[DragonRacer]

I was under the impression that a question was supposed to have a question mark at the end of it. Usually an exclamation point is used when one is making an emphatic statement (or just really excited.) Either way, I can't imagine anyone would go on the internet to create a thread for an issue that doesn't exist, in an effort to stir people up. That never happens.

 

Especially not here, in the sacred garden of BSN.

[CrimsonN7]

*Exclusive

 

That title is bugging the hell out of me.

[Deathjester929]

I was under the impression that a question was supposed to have a question mark at the end of it. Usually an exclamation point is used when one is making an emphatic statement (or just really excited.) Either way, I can't imagine anyone would go on the internet to create a thread for an issue that doesn't exist, in an effort to stir people up. That never happens.

 

You would be surprised. Get within half a year of E3, and people start to come up with ideas about exclusives and what "bombs will be dropped" at E3. 

 

Example. People actually thought and speculated Fallout 4 would be a Xbox exclusive on Neogaf (not that I have any respect for that forum). People are really silly when it comes to fanboying consoles. You would have to be clueless to even speculate this, based on sales of Skyrim. Heck Todd Howard was doing cartwheels because "next gen was so close to PC architecture" and saying he could do "things" and later we found out he meant importing PC mod's to console and even said it would "give it legs" on sales.

 

[Mummy22kids]

All games from now on will be PC exclusive, no matter which studio they come from or what they are. So let it be written, so let it be done.

[von uber]

Real shame RotTR is a xbone exclusive. I would have probably bought it on release - by the time it comes out on pc I'll probably have forgotten about it and only notice it in a steam sale.

Great job Microsoft. Bonuses all round.

[Deathjester929]

Real shame RotTR is a xbone exclusive. I would have probably bought it on release - by the time it comes out on pc I'll probably have forgotten about it and only notice it in a steam sale.

Great job Microsoft. Bonuses all round.

 

Same. Bought the first game and loved it on PC. Saw MS actually paid a third party dev to keep it off PC for awhile, and just laughed at MS's claim they cared about PC Gaming. That one move means I am not upgrading to Windows 10, and I am DEFINITELY not buying Rise of the Tomb Raider to support such BS. 

 

See the same response from a lot of PC Gamers. So well done MS. Hope Vulkan API crushes you and you end up selling the Xbox division since it will serve no purpose losing you money if PC adopts Vulkan API that will run on Win 7, 8 10 and any Linux distro like Steam OS.

 

Who needs enemies when you have "friends" like Microsoft...

 

Thank god PC Gamers are finally realizing who the real enemy of the platform is. We can literally run MS out of PC Gaming and gaming completely (they lose billions on Xbox) by simply not adopting Windows 10. Not like they have ever made anything from first party worth a darn other than Forza since the XB division started anyways. All they did was money hat stuff.  No one would care if they left gaming. They have done jack with Rare and all they can do is play off nostalgia and make mediocre sequels to games they never created like Halo, Gears of War. Anyone can do that...

[straykat]

Same. Bought the first game and loved it on PC. Saw MS actually paid a third party dev to keep it off PC for awhile, and just laughed at MS's claim they cared about PC Gaming. That one move means I am not upgrading to Windows 10, and I am DEFINITELY not buying Rise of the Tomb Raider to support such BS. 

 

See the same response from a lot of PC Gamers. So well done MS. Hope Vulkan API crushes you and you end up selling the Xbox division since it will serve no purpose losing you money if PC adopts Vulkan.

 

Who needs enemies when you have "friends" like Microsoft...

 

Thank god PC Gamers are finally realizing who the real enemy of the platform is. We can literally run MS out of PC Gaming and gaming completely (they lose billions on Xbox) by simply not adopting Windows 10. Not like they have ever made anything from first party worth a darn other than Forza since the XB division started anyways. All they did was money hat stuff.  No one would care if they left gaming.They have done jack with Rare and all they can do is play off nostalgia and make sequels to games they never created like Halo, Gears of War. Anyone can do that...

 

It's more of a mutual benefit with Square, I think. As much as you say you liked Tomb Raider, it didn't sell well. Many people complain complain now, but they apparently didn't care enough to buy even the first game last time.

 

MS probably stepped in and supported them, ensuring some funding regardless if RotTR sells well or not. It's a win-win situation for both companies.

 

Someone like you gets hurt by the deal, but most don't seem to care anyhow.

[AresKeith]

It's more of a mutual benefit with Square, I think. As much as you say you liked Tomb Raider, it didn't sell well. Many people complain complain now, but they apparently didn't care enough to buy even the first game last time.

 

MS probably stepped in and supported them, ensuring some funding regardless if RotTR sells well or not. It's a win-win situation for both companies.

 

It didn't sell well by Square's standards, but the game itself was well received 

[straykat]

It didn't sell well by Square's standards, but the game itself was well received 

 

Well received critically, sure.. but it didn't sell well by AAA standards. These games cost way too ****** much. They expected 6 million or something, but got half of that.

[straykat]

It's not just Square btw.. it's becoming an industry.. nightmare.. so to speak. Why do you think Konami is ditching even a succesful Kojima? Or more and more companies are disappearing? Or previous AAA developers look for indie outlets?

 

https://www.vg247.co...les-to-succeed/

[Deathjester929]

It's more of a mutual benefit with Square, I think. As much as you say you liked Tomb Raider, it didn't sell well. Many people complain complain now, but they apparently didn't care enough to buy even the first game last time.

 

MS probably stepped in and supported them, ensuring some funding regardless if RotTR sells well or not. It's a win-win situation for both companies.

 

Someone like you gets hurt by the deal, but most don't seem to care anyhow.

 

According to who? Square's idiotic expectations?

 

The game is sitting at 600k or something sold atm on Xbox. The sales are HORRIBLE.

http://www.vgchartz....he-tomb-raider/

 

The first game sold 3.6 million on just Steam.

https://steamspy.com/app/203160

 

Da heck do they expect, to beat Skyrim? The guy who made that deal for Square has been CANNED btw, and like I said before, if Square was so stupid, that they did not have a sales clause, so that they could put the game on PS4 (where the game sold over a million on a game many people had already played) and PC? That is the worst business decision EVER by Square.

 

That game probably would have sold 3-4 million on PS4. Now they will be releasing it against next years Holiday  PS4 titles and multiplats which include games like Mass Effect, probably a new Battlefield? Have fun with that Square.

[straykat]

According to who? Square's idiotic expectations?

 

The game is sitting at 600k or something sold atm on Xbox. The sales are HORRIBLE.

http://www.vgchartz....aider-xbox-one/

 

It sold 3.6 million on just Steam.

https://steamspy.com/app/203160

 

Da heck do they expect, to beat Skyrim? The guy who made that deal for Square has been CANNED btw, and like I said before, if Square was so stupid, that they did not have a sales clause, so that they could put the game on PS4 (where the game sold over a million on a game many people had already played) and PC? That is the worst business decision EVER by Square.

 

That game probably would have sold 3-4 million on PS4. Now they will be releasing it against next years Holiday  PS4 titles and multiplats which include games like Mass Effect? Have fun with that Square.

 

Beating Skyrim is unrealistic. That's 20 million sales. Few get that except Rockstar and Nintendo. You don't need it to be successful. You need a quarter of that success.

 

I doubt it would have sold that well on PS4. Both of them haven't been getting big sales for a lot of games. Like the 1 million range or a little under, for a lot of games. What makes Tomb Raider so different?

 

The point with Microsoft is that MS probably just gave them the cash to make up whatever difference they'd have otherwise. Square wins either way. Only this way they didn't have to worry about it..the cash was just handed to them. I can't blame them. It's like having a publisher back you, except here they keep their IP rights.

 

Personally, I have a PC/PS4/and Xbox.. so I don't care either way.

[Deathjester929]

Beating Skyrim is unrealistic. That's 20 million sales. Few get that except Rockstar and Nintendo. You don't need it to be successful. You just need a quarter of that success.

 

I doubt it would have sold that well on PS4. Both of them haven't been getting big sales for a lot of games. Like the 1 million range or a little under, for a lot of games. What makes Tomb Raider so different?

 

The point with Microsoft is that MS probably just gave them the cash to make up whatever difference they'd have otherwise. Square wins either way.

 

It is an Uncharted game that looks like it might actually be better than Uncharted. It would have sold well on PS4. There was no reason for this deal. Horrible deal from both parties. The series finally looked like it might become huge and they killed it.

 

No wonder these clowns are trying to charge 180 dollars for a FF7 remake in chapters. The company is probably broke...They are hoping they can extort money from nostalgia hungry fanboys in a home run move. That is going to backfire to. 

[SardaukarElite]

Well received critically, sure.. but it didn't sell well by AAA standards. These games cost way too ****** much. They expected 6 million or something, but got half of that.

 

AAA is a largely meaningless term. Bethesda games, GTA, and Call of Duty might ship tens of millions but most games don't, those games are still worth being considered big same as the above aren't usually considered inferior to Wii Sports despite it outselling them several times over. Wikipedia tells me that Tomb Raider has sold 8.5 million total, other 2013 releases AC: Black Flag and BioShock Infinite have sold 11 million, so I'd say it's in the same league as those. 

 

You're right that they apparently didn't get the money to stay multi-platform at launch though, and complaining about it is maybe a bit hollow. 

[straykat]

It is an Uncharted game that looks like it might actually be better than Uncharted. It would have sold well on PS4. There was no reason for this deal. Horrible deal from both parties. The series finally looked like it might become huge and they killed it.

 

No wonder these clowns are trying to charge 180 dollars for FF7 remake in chapters. The company is probably broke...They are hoping they can extort money from nostalgia hungry fanboys in a home run move. That is going to backfire to. 

 

It was finally going to become huge, then Tomb Raider would have met their expectations to right away. 6 million was fairly moderate for a big name franchise. That's my point though. It didnt become as huge as you think. Not fast enough at least. And why I'm trying to see their side of things. You're talking about hypotheticals, but from an investor's point of view, that doesn't help much.

 

I agree it's a good game though...and everyone should get to play it.. if the world was perfect.

[Deathjester929]

It was finally going to become huge, then Tomb Raider would have met their expectations to right away. 6 million was fairly moderate for a big name franchise. That's my point though. It didnt become as huge as you think. Not fast enough at least. And why I'm trying to see their side of things. You're talking about hypotheticals, but from an investor's point of view, that doesn't help much.

 

I agree it's a good game though...and everyone should get to play it.. if the world was perfect.

 

If leadership at the company (one who has been fired already) does not have faith in their own studio and game? That just shows how dysfunctional the whole situation is at Square. The first game was a better plot away from being a massive critical success and it was still liked by critics. 

 

By all accounts this is a much better game than the last one. Could the leadership of the company not be bothered enough to get off their butt and go look and play vertical slices of the game and notice that, before brokering insane deals with MS? I think the entire thing is sad. 

 

This series could have turned into the next Uncharted. Now who knows if we will even get another one. PC Gamers are ticked off at being bent over by the gatekeeper of PC Gaming (don't blame them), PS4 gamers are REALLY ticked off and over one million of them just bought the first game that was an old game already(don't blame them). All potential remaining sales are at an angry fan base, and the game is not selling on Xbox. 

 

The whole thing is sad. I feel horrible for the people who put their hard work into this game. The leadership and management positions at Square? I do not feel sorry for them. I hope they all get fired.

[straykat]

If leadership at the company (one who has been fired already) does not have faith in their own studio and game? That just shows how dysfunctional the whole situation is at Square. The first game was a better plot away from being a massive critical success and it was still liked by critics. 

 

By all accounts this is a much better game than the last one. Could the leadership of the company not be bothered enough to get off their butt and go look and play vertical slices of the game and notice that, before brokering insane deals with MS? I think the entire thing is sad. 

 

This series could have turned into the next Uncharted. Now who knows if we will even get another one. PC Gamers are ticked off at being bent over by the gatekeeper of PC Gaming (don't blame them), PS4 gamers are REALLY ticked off and over one million of them just bought the first game that was an old game already(don't blame them). All potential remaining sales are at an angry fan base, and the game is not selling on Xbox. 

 

The whole thing is sad. I feel horrible for the people who put their hard work into this game. The leadership and management positions at Square? I do not feel sorry for them. I hope they all get fired.

 

It's not dysfunctional. They're just investors. Not gamblers. And having faith has nothing to do with it.

 

The next Uncharted for PS is...... Uncharted. They're competitors. That's what Uncharted was already trying to do when it was the smaller franchise.

[wolfhowwl]

It was finally going to become huge, then Tomb Raider would have met their expectations to right away. 6 million was fairly moderate for a big name franchise. That's my point though. It didnt become as huge as you think. Not fast enough at least. And why I'm trying to see their side of things. You're talking about hypotheticals, but from an investor's point of view, that doesn't help much.

 

I agree it's a good game though...and everyone should get to play it.. if the world was perfect.

 

TR2013 should have been the loss leader for growing a franchise. While it didn't meet initial expectations it still had long legs thanks to bomba price cuts, good reviews and user reception, and a definitive edition eventually getting up to 8.5 million copies sold. They had built an audience to cash-in on with a sequel before they screwed everything up. Now if they continue with the franchise they have to spend millions rebuilding that audience after they had already invested heavily in doing so the first time around.

 

EA did something similar with ME2. It had a soft launch and didn't even sell through its initial shipment. EA threw in the towel, tanked the price and the game eventually got over 3 million shipped thanks to great reviews and word of mouth. This paid off for them with ME3 having a much stronger launch.

[straykat]

TR2013 should have been the loss leader for growing a franchise. While it didn't meet initial expectations it still had long legs thanks to bomba price cuts, good reviews and user reception, and a definitive edition eventually getting up to 8.5 million copies sold. They had built an audience to cash-in on with a sequel before they screwed everything up.

 

EA did something similar with ME2. It had a soft launch and didn't even sell through its initial shipment. EA threw in the towel, tanked the price and the game eventually got over 3 million shipped thanks to great reviews and word of mouth. This paid off for them with ME3 having a much stronger launch.

 

I agree there.. in retrospect, it turned out well. I was just trying to speak from their view as investors, 2-3 years ago. Especially since their other games didn't meet expectations at the time (FF/Hitman/etc).

[SolNebula]

Well I thank MS for having funded this game, as a TR original fan since the first game came out I really like this new game from what I've seen from a friend. I'll gladly buy it in a year as a fully patched, all DLC included DEFINITIVE edition for PS4.

[straykat]

Well I thank MS for having funded this game, as a TR original fan since the first game came out I really like this new game from what I've seen from a friend. I'll gladly buy it in a year as a fully patched, all DLC included DEFINITIVE edition for PS4.

 

See. There's a positive to all of this

[Mdizzletr0n]

Why would they release an exclusive for a dead console?  You know what other exclusive released that same day? Legacy of the Void, and sold the first million in less than 24 hours.Rise of the Tomb raider is a mediocre game on a platform that hardly anyone cares about, simple as that.

Mediocre? RoTR is my game of the year. Hands down.

[straykat]

It's an exaggerration to say the XOne is a "dead console". It's apparently got 15 million sales or something. Still half the PS4, but damn. It ain't the Jaguar.

[Degrees1991]

OP is trolling.