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[ModernAcademic]

In the Epilogue of DA: Inquisition, there are hints of a breakup between Weisshaupt (the Headquarters of the Grey Wardens) and the rest of the Order. If your Inquisitor has decided to exile the Wardens, this could lead to the dissolution of the ancient Order.

 

What are the reasons behind this breakup, we can only speculate. Very likely, they might be presented in DA 4 and figure largely on the plot. There are, however, a few clues in the DA trilogy that can help us to speculate on this: 

 

 

 

• In Origins, Riordan tells us a bit about the Anderfels, where Weisshaupt is located. He says the Anders are a cold, foreign, people, and that the First Warden is more concerned with politics. The Codex states people often look to the Wardens to rule Anderfels because the king is weak.

 

• The Wardens keep many secrets, an attitude that compromises their very efforts to combat the Blight. In the Landsmeet, Loghain questions the need for Wardens to fight the darkspawn at all, claiming soldiers can do their work. Had it been a known fact that Wardens are immune to the taint and die upon killing the Archdemon, destroying an immortal creature for good, the fate of Alistair and the Warden after Ostagar could have been quite different.

 

• In Awakening DLC, Mistress Woolsey was ordered to help the Warden Commander in Ferelden in order to help with the treasury. One of the lines in the dialog allows you to question why would Weisshaupt only send 1 Warden to help when they needed a lot more. This is yet another hint at how the First Warden cares very little about the rest of the Order.

 

• In Inquisition, we witness a mage using extensive blood magic and killing several Wardens in the process to fuel the rituals. Had Weisshaupt placed spies in the Orlesian Order long ago, it could have sent men to stop Clarel and eliminate Erimond. Instead, Hawke and the Warden must join efforts with the Inquisitor to deal with the problem themselves. The whole affair ends with one of them dead or lost in the Fade.

 

(Even worse, we see nothing was done about there being rumours of an ancient Magister having been found and freed from his prison. Weisshaupt had a few years to look into the problem and take measures to ensure the Magister didn't body jump into a tainted creature.)

 

 

 

All evidence points to this: the First Warden cares very little about what goes on outside Anderfels. He's accomodated and ignores problems related to the taint and the Blight that could destroy Thedas.

 

And now that we see how the Epilogue of the last game of the trilogy ominously hints at the end of the Grey Wardens, who will defend Thedas against the 6th Blight?

[JDALFONSO]

You make an excellent argument. Really, you do, and i agree with you for the most part. there are however a few explanations to some of your questions, such as why was the response in Awakening to send only the Warden Commander when much more were needed. The answer to the questions comes straight of of DAO and is actually expanded upon in DAI. 

 

The Grey Warden's were thrown out of Ferelden for good after they had attempted what was interpreted as the Wardens attempting to conquer Ferelden several hundred years ago. This meant that the Grey Wardens that died at Ostagar were most likely stationed at Vigil's Keep, the closest Keep to Fereldan. After the blight all that remained of the those Wardens was the small group that was left behind, lead by Christophe, who died cleaning up the darkspawn that remained after the blight. So when the Warden Commander shows up, he is literally the only Grey Warden in both the Free Marches and Fereldan at the time. His mission was to rebuild the order, which plays into being able to conscript all of your party members.

 

So I don't necessarily think that the issue is that the Grey Wardens are falling apart as an organization, i think the problem is that their aren't very many Grey Wardens left in the world. Iron Bull points out during some banter with Black Wall that the Grey Wardens of today stalk death row prisoners like shady slip and fall lawyers, conscripting men that would otherwise be executed because volunteers are few and conscripting those who are of better moral quality is used only in extreme situations because public opinion of the organization is so low.

 

I suspect that if the the series gives us another Blight (and i hope they do) it will coincide with a story that results in ending the Blight's altogether and thus ending the needs/ means to create Grey Wardens. Seeing as there are only two old gods left, i suspect that the 6th blight will kick off with not one but two Arch Demons to really end the blights with a climatic bang. Imagine fighting 2 Arch Demons.... at the same time... epic. lol

[Miltialdes]

If the 7 elder elfs  are old god , as I believe  there will be no more a blight. The 2 missing supposing Archidemon are Flemmeth and Solas.

 

For me the Creator is the tyran the 7 elder elfs fought and succeed to bannish him it is why the throne is empty in the Gold/Dark City.

With the time, the 7 elder elfs were considered as God by the Elvish People. 5 of 7 become tyrans. The five killed what we will become Flemmeth because her spirit are immortal as them. Solas takes revenge in bannishing the assassins of his mistress in the old house of the tyran. Later, one of 5 Gods disguise as Duma pushed the new power in Teldas to free him and his allies in the Dark/Gold city. The Tevinter activitated a trap created by Solas to punish the 5 Gods if someone try to free them and in same tile they contamitate the Tevinter and their armies. 2 Millénia later the heroes od Ferelden killed the last Archidemon.

 

I believe the Warden is no more neccessary for a Blight but will be usefull to fight in the future what Solas is preparing. 

[Gold Dragon]

One point against you:  If the Wardens are NOT banished, it causes a civil war within the Order.

 

On the main, however, I agree.  Without the Wardens, a Blight will be difficult (not impossible, but difficult) to stop.

 

My Inquisitors may not be the most polite (Adaar was NOT civilized at the Exalted Council, tho she kept her temper better than a certain Arl, Trevalyan won't even do that) but they all believe they have enough blood on their hands already.  Banishing the Wardens without something else in place is simply NOT an option.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I would say the canon thread for the Wardens would be, Alistair is King of Ferelden and the separation of those in southern Thedas from HQ. With Ferrelden empty of wardens and Orleis severely depleted, though a HoF would return if not killed in the Fifth Blight, the restructuring would fall to both Alistair and the HoF. The former is king but he would not have forgotten how it had been during the Blight. He should prudently try to lend support if the HoF or any senior warden of the independent warden order go to him. Although, admittedly, I'm not sure how effective he would be given his performance in DAI.

 

I'm not sure if the two remaining Old Gods and the darkspawn menace would be addressed in the next segment though. If they're tied in with the ancient Elven mages tapestry, then, yeah, this thorn would be taken out.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And now that we see how the Epilogue of the last game of the trilogy ominously hints at the end of the Grey Wardens, who will defend Thedas against the 6th Blight?

 

New organization that will take a mantle? Grey warden order isn't irreplaceable , in fact they arleady were proven to be quite incompetent and threat to society and world safety so at least maybe new organisation would have better requirement when it comes to its members and will be more secured. 

 

Of course it is assuming that order will fall , what i doubt will happen unless they will make this be in case for every player. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I would say the canon thread for the Wardens would be, Alistair is King of Ferelden

There is no canon, i never crowned Alistair it is simply an option.

[Qis]

Only one person who got tainted can end the Blight, so if there is no Grey Warden anymore, people will fight Darkspawn normally, then injure the Archdemon, then sacrifice an unfortunate person who got tainted to kill the Archdemon...

[Marika Haliwell]

There is no canon, i never crowned Alistair it is simply an option.

No matter what our choices were, the default state ( canon for Bioware ) is that Alistair is the King of Ferelden ruling jointly with Anora. So One way or other Al is still the Warden King.

[Qun00]

You got it all wrong. It's a breakup between Orlesian Wardens and Weisshaupt.

Relax, people. The Order still is doing just fine in Ferelden, the Free Marches, Nevarra, Antiva, Rivain and Tevinter.

Only one person who got tainted can end the Blight, so if there is no Grey Warden anymore, people will fight Darkspawn normally, then injure the Archdemon, then sacrifice an unfortunate person who got tainted to kill the Archdemon...

The Joining isn't ordinary tainting. There is magic involved in its preparation.

Someone who doesn't die from regular Taint simply becomes a ghoul.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

No matter what our choices were, the default state ( canon for Bioware ) is that Alistair is the King of Ferelden ruling jointly with Anora. So One way or other Al is still the Warden King.

Is not canon it is called standard world state or default world state,Alistair killed,drunk,warden or king are equally valid states imported correctly and with no retcons.

Cailan,Duncan,Riordan dead is canon,in shot every choices that cannot be altered is what is defined as canon.

[Nixou]

Relax, people. The Order still is doing just fine in Ferelden, the Free Marches, Nevarra, Antiva, Rivain and Tevinter.

 

 

Yeah, because the Commander of the Fereldan branch leaving the country, probably with most of his/her personal retainers to go on a wild goose chase while one of the original Darkspawn wreaks havoc in his/her own backyard shows just how great the non-Orlesian Grey Wardens are doing.

 

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The Joining isn't ordinary tainting. There is magic involved in its preparation.

 

 

I suspect that the Joining is actually about creating Red Lyrium in quantities small enough that some people manage to survive the absorption and retain their free will for a decade or three.

[Dai Grepher]

The Hero of Ferelden, or Alistair, or Hawke/surviving Warden, or those at Vigil's Keep, or Avernus, or any Circle mage who has ever prepared the Joining ritual, or some new Warden we haven't heard about who rises to restore the order.

 

All it takes is knowledge of the Joining, which could easily be obtained in various ways. From there, new "Wardens" could be made. They might not call themselves the Grey Wardens, but they will have all the same abilities.

[myahele]

Seems to be a perfect plot for a new Warden recruit(s) to help stop the Blight.

 

Thedas seems to be of the opinion that the Wardens are over exaggerating their usefulness due to The Warden + Alistair or Loghain - who are new Wardens btw - ending the Blight within a year.

 

Thing is, the Wardens have a lot of bad Press now.

[Qis]

The Joining isn't ordinary tainting. There is magic involved in its preparation.

Someone who doesn't die from regular Taint simply becomes a ghoul.

 

The Old God's souls only need to jump into any Blighted creature, by Blighted means tainted

 

The Joining only keep the Wardens tainted and slowing the process becoming ghoul or dead

[Qun00]

Yeah, because the Commander of the Fereldan branch leaving the country, probably with most of his/her personal retainers to go on a wild goose chase while one of the original Darkspawn wreaks havoc in his/her own backyard shows just how great the non-Orlesian Grey Wardens are doing.

It is weird, I'll give you that. Dealing with darkspawn threats should be a priority after all. But I was referring to the fact that the Fereldan branch isn't crippled anymore and remains united.

The Old God's souls only need to jump into any Blighted creature, by Blighted means tainted

The Joining only keep the Wardens tainted and slowing the process becoming ghoul or dead

Unfortunately, ghouls make poor allies.

Also, it doesn't work just because of the taint. A Grey Warden is different in that he has a soul, and two cannot coexist in the same body and thus the archdemon dies.

[Qis]

Unfortunately, ghouls make poor allies.

Also, it doesn't work just because of the taint. A Grey Warden is different in that he has a soul, and two cannot coexist in the same body and thus the archdemon dies.

 

Does getting tainted make people lost their soul? Never heard that, so it should be the same, Grey Warden through the Joining only prolong their life while get tainted, that's all. Others who get tainted will become ghoul or dead earlier.

[TobiTobsen]

Does getting tainted make people lost their soul? Never heard that, so it should be the same, Grey Warden through the Joining only prolong their life while get tainted, that's all. Others who get tainted will become ghoul or dead earlier.

 

If killing the archdemon was as easy as slaying it next to a simple ghoul, there would've been no need to form the Wardens in the first place.

[Dai Grepher]

I think the ghouls have souls. They are probably living a waking nightmare, able to see everything that's happening but being unable to control it. However, I think the soul cancelation with the archdemon requires the Grey Warden resistance. It is that bit of mastery over the taint that gives them the ability to soul cancel an archdemon. So a ghoul would be taken over by an archdemon if slain by a non-Grey, and that ghoul's soul would probably leave for the Fade.

[Fozee]

Dead! All of them!

[ModernAcademic]

If killing the archdemon was as easy as slaying it next to a simple ghoul, there would've been no need to form the Wardens in the first place.

 

Exactly. Let me remind you, people, that the First Blight nearly wiped out all life on Thedas. This information is either in a Codex or dialog in Origins.

 

My guess is that the first Wardens didn't know that the Archdemon's soul transferred itself to the nearby darkspawn and had trouble ending its life. Millions died because of this.

 

Flawed or not, Thedas needs the Order. It needs the Wardens. If no better solution can be found to deal with the taint and the Archdemon's immortality and no one is willing to undergo the Joining and make the final sacrifice, then the 6th Blight might accomplish what the first never did.

[Qis]

If killing the archdemon was as easy as slaying it next to a simple ghoul, there would've been no need to form the Wardens in the first place.

 

Yes, there is no need, there is a conspiracy somewhere....

[Nixou]

My guess is that the first Wardens didn't know that the Archdemon's soul transferred itself to the nearby darkspawn and had trouble ending its life. Millions died because of this.

 

 

A codex entry states that the first Archdemon was first slayed by a non-Warden, only to come back later. So, yes, pretty much.

[Qis]

The order of Grey Warden is needed just because with the prolonged taint they have some ability such as sensing the Darkspawn, experience and immune to the taint (means they do not get tainted more than they already have, not like any other people)...it is an advantage to battle the Darkspawn

 

But to kill an Archdemon, it is only need one tainted person to do the killing blow

 

So it mean, other than sensing Darkspawn, immunity to the taint and experience, the Order is not really needed, any army with good strategy and morale can beat the Darkspawn

 

i. use range weapons

ii. use ranged magic

iii. use bombs and cannons

[Qun00]

I think the ghouls have souls. They are probably living a waking nightmare, able to see everything that's happening but being unable to control it. However, I think the soul cancelation with the archdemon requires the Grey Warden resistance. It is that bit of mastery over the taint that gives them the ability to soul cancel an archdemon. So a ghoul would be taken over by an archdemon if slain by a non-Grey, and that ghoul's soul would probably leave for the Fade.

This guy gets it.