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Where has the golden age lost, when we were able to play stupid dating-rpgs and the anime girls showed us boobies?
Has that genre mixed with the actual games? I remember romances to be useful if their purpose was adding game content like quests, going deep through character development etc. I can't recall any of it since KotOR, maybe...
LEAVE OUR BOOBIES ALONE!
Seriously now. I think you perhaps make a good point. I would definitely welcome it if romances, if there are any, were more... integrated into what's going on in the game. I'd love getting extra quests, more story, more development, any content like that. (Even if that meant fewer love interests. I believe in quality over quantity.) It would surely add some more replay value, as well. I'll be honest: I like my BioWare games with a little fluff, I'm easy to please like that, so I'm not complaining about what I've been getting. But I'd definitely enjoy what you suggest.
If you are looking romance in terms of dating-rpgs and the anime girls showing boobs go play to Huniepop or sth. That genre of videogames hasn't disappeared anywhere, it's seems to have became even more popular in west maybe cause stuff gets translated more these days.
Bioware in other hand has had romances forever. Jade Empire, KOTOR and Baldur Gate, all of them have romance options. This is not new thing to Bioware, if you really want Bioware game without romance go play to that one Sonic game they have under their name. Unless Tails has sth going on with Sonic nowdays, I don't know- I have only played older one's on Sega. So I don't quite what your point is since Bioware has done romances pretty much always, it's not a new thing unless you have been frozen 10 years or sth.
The flaw to bioware romances is that sex is the reward. Adults don't behave like this teenagers do. Sex shouldn't be the "end" of a relationship arc, I'd much rather sex happen far earlier in the relationship like it does with MOST adult relationship and progress past the point of sex being the reward and instead explore relationship past sexual encounters.
The inclusion of nudity or not isn't a sign of quality or maturity so frankly talking about better romances and caging that conversation with or without nudity on screen is a fallacy. And frankly people trying to steer the conversation in that direction USUALLY have an agenda that has nothing to do with their stated reasons for not having nudity.
The flaw to bioware romances is that sex is the reward. Adults don't behave like this teenagers do. Sex shouldn't be the "end" of a relationship arc, I'd much rather sex happen far earlier in the relationship like it does with MOST adult relationship and progress past the point of sex being the reward and instead explore relationship past sexual encounters.
The inclusion of nudity or not isn't a sign of quality or maturity so frankly talking about better romances and caging that conversation with or without nudity on screen is a fallacy. And frankly people trying to steer the conversation in that direction USUALLY have an agenda that has nothing to do with their stated reasons for not having nudity.
People here would ****** to no end if they didn't 'earn' their sexy times with an elaborate courtship and dance.
I enjoy the romances a lot since it's a way of investing myself in the story in a way that no other company has managed to do. Now, i won't talk about DA:I since i haven't played it yet and i don't have an opinion, but DA2 let me down in many ways and therefore i understand what you mean. However, i believe that it's something that should be worked and improved, not put aside. The satisfaction of having the option of a romance (in my case GxG) overpowers the dissapointment that one might feel if it doesn't live up to the expectations (At least is there). From that point, and as i mentioned earlier, it's a matter of putting more work into it.
Personally, I like the... "elaborate courtship". I'd call it a build-up, perhaps. (Maybe it's just me, but I hate how Garrus' "romance" is done in ME2. It's basically just "Wanna bang?" - "Sure, let's bang sometimes." Very little content or conversation before, during, or after the thing. To me, it's not even worth trying. Ever.) But I don't like getting no content at all after the deed has been done. I agree with Gothfather that it shouldn't be the end of the story.
People here would ****** to no end if they didn't 'earn' their sexy times with an elaborate courtship and dance.
You don't even necessarily take that away from people, though it's not at all representative of real adult relationships for having sex to essentially be the end of it unless you're talking about a one night stand which these aren't typically supposed to be.
I mean they don't need to get into the more mundane stuff of real world relationships, but it'd be good to get more stuff to it after the banging. I'd take less overall romance options if it meant being able to have that.
Personally, I like the... "elaborate courtship". I'd call it a build-up, perhaps. (Maybe it's just me, but I hate how Garrus' "romance" is done in ME2. It's basically just "Wanna bang?" - "Sure, let's bang sometimes." Very little content or conversation before, during, or after the thing. To me, it's not even worth trying. Ever.) But I don't like getting no content at all after the deed has been done. I agree with Gothfather that it shouldn't be the end of the story.
Sadly mostly of the ME2 romances are just flirting twice then banging(then "that was great, I'll see you in like 6 months"), but Garrus at least gets some bonus points for the cheesy dialogue.
Romances are a useful roleplaying choice. It doesn't really make sense to interpret them as something more than that.
The flaw to bioware romances is that sex is the reward. Adults don't behave like this teenagers do. Sex shouldn't be the "end" of a relationship arc, I'd much rather sex happen far earlier in the relationship like it does with MOST adult relationship and progress past the point of sex being the reward and instead explore relationship past sexual encounters.
The inclusion of nudity or not isn't a sign of quality or maturity so frankly talking about better romances and caging that conversation with or without nudity on screen is a fallacy. And frankly people trying to steer the conversation in that direction USUALLY have an agenda that has nothing to do with their stated reasons for not having nudity.
Both DA2 and DAI had romances where sex wasn't the finale of the romance arc, either because the sex scene never occurs or because it occurs early.
People here would ****** to no end if they didn't 'earn' their sexy times with an elaborate courtship and dance.
Frankly most adults don't go through a long song and dance before they have sex. Teenagers? Sure, with society telling they conflicting things, hormones raging and girls being given the messages that if you have sex you aren't as valuable as those who don't/ (How fraked up is that?) Then yeah sex is a whole song and dance. But adults have sex pretty early in their relationship.
There is a whole song and dance before people profess their love but that isn't sex. Sex isn't synonymous with love. Not only do different adult have different attitudes about sex, I mean for frak sake the iron bull tells you have different it is for members of the Qun and YOU still have a long song and dance to bed him. But it is stupid and fankly childish. Various characters should have various rates at which they bed and not all relationship should be the same. Some should be healthy others should be very unhealthy. Some should be long term others short term. Each Romance-able character should have a different type of romance. And NONE of them should use the sex scene as the reward.
And frankly bioware should stop with the "Boss" Fraking the 'help.' How about removing romance options from your chain of command/authority? There is a reason why such behaviour is prohibitive in military organizations and in a significant amount of corporate entities not to mention the civil service. Again this can all be tied to the fact that Bioware doesn't write very mature romances and boobies have zero to do with it.
I'm beginning to think a lot of people only play this game to feel like they've banged something in it.
And if that is the case then why should it matter what we bang? Let us 'romance' the toaster and watch Jenkins make breakfast the next morning.
1- yes and no. Sure, it might look like there's a lot of people like that but they are not the majority (i don't think so..or maybe i don't want to believe that)
2- By making breakfast you mean that....he...and Toaster? you are breaking my heart
Query: Do you think the Masters should make romances expensive instead? The kind of protests that such an action would give birth to, I can only imagine.
Weary Statement: Silly meatbags spend so much organic processing time on fictional mating propects, it is a wonder your species manages to propagate. Which is a shame, as your miniature selves tend to a be cute, most of the time.
Well, I have recently played TW3 and I think they handled it pretty well (focusing strictly on the arc of the romance, and not the rampant cleavage camera angles - though I became so accustomed to it after a while that I stopped being annoyed by it)... you had some chemistry and tension for a while, they obviously had feelings for each other; they declared their feelings eventually and consummated the relationship, and it was worked into the story pretty well and NOT at the end (or even near the end) of the game; and then, importantly, they continued to speak to each other as you would expect two significant others to do (i.e. talking about future plans, wishing farewell before the end, etc.). There was even some evident bad feeling from Yennifer if you had chosen Triss. The point is that Bioware usually treats the sex scene as pretty much the end of the romance and then they just talk to each other the same as any other companion, and no other companion ever acknowledges the relationship (talking about Thane here, pre-DLC). The only time I can think of Bioware handling it differently is if you romance Fenris in DA2, then he disappears for a while, and Blackwall, and then HE disappears; it's like they don't know what to do next. Anyway, I would like it if they would just incorporate some special conversation options for the LI AFTERWARDS that show they have a different relationship than they do with the rest of the party.
Where has the golden age lost, when we were able to play stupid dating-rpgs and the anime girls showed us boobies?
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Those types of games are still around, they just moved to steam.
Has that genre mixed with the actual games? I remember romances to be useful if their purpose was adding game content like quests, going deep through character development etc. I can't recall any of it since KotOR, maybe...
I think Bioware RPGs are just dating sims for those who want a more PG13 experience, for those who want more of a husbando/waifu experience rather than something to perv on. Bioware stories seem to be more about wish fulfillment and ego stroking than actually telling a compelling and coherent story.
I think Bioware romances are written more with women (and perhaps lonely guys?) in mind, presenting a sort of idealized boyfriend type character, handsome, attentive, worships the player like a goddess and constantly questions their own worthiness of the affections of such a magnificent creature like the player character, the sort of romance plot found in something like Twighlight where an unassuming female (somewhat like the person reading or playing the game) somehow manages to beguile the affections of a supernatural being (Vampire, Werewolf, elven god ect) with their natural charm and beauty or something like that. A lot of wish fullfillment and ego stroking.
I am not totally against the inclusion of romance arcs in games but I do believe if they are to be included they do need to serve some greater purpose in the plot or game other than mere wish fullfillment, something to give the narrative some extra emotional kick. I remember in Baldur's Gate 2 whoever you romanced would get kidnapped and turned into a Vampire which lead to a quest where you had to bring them back to life, it did not add a whole lot to the plot or the game but it is the sort of idea that could be expanded on, like having the option to get romantically involved with a member of the opposing side leading to a confrontation where you have to choose between your mission objective or your love interest or something like that.
Anything that players enjoy is technically useful for the game to some capacity. Besides, you can avoid them anyway, so whatever.
I mean some people enjoy stupid things though
But why on earth should anyone care what someone else likes in their game?
it depends on what it is, people shouldn't enjoy a mechanic because its "so bad its good" or something
But why on earth should anyone care what someone else likes in their game?
Because your tastes are bad and they are ruining my game.
Yah know at this stage I have to start asking whether Bioware is still making sex the 'reward' or people just consistently choose to interpret it that way. Or maybe it's a dev team difference. Cuz I can kinda see how that's how it's interpreted with ME3 (kiiiinda) cuz the sex scene is one of the last scenes you get with them but DAI? Errr... nay. I wouldn't couple the sex scene with the most important bit for most of them and when it is the sex is adjacent to the point, it just so happens that when you **** someone it's a good time to be gushy and vulnerable. Some of them don't even have sex scenes.
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