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[Bayonet Hipshot]

So far, in every Dragon Age game the main character, be it Hero of Ferelden or Champion of Kirkwall or Inquisitor...You will end up being saved by one of the Elven "deities" .

 

In DAO & DA2, the Warden and Hawke were saved by Flemeth / Mythal. In DAI, the Inquisitor is saved by Solas / Fen'Harel (twice, once after they came out of the Fade the first time and the second time at the end of Trespasser).

 

So will Bioware continue the trend and have an Elven "deity" rescue our fourth protagonist ? Perhaps it will be Solas since Mythal did it twice so it would make some sense to have Fen'Harel save the protagonist again. Or would we be saved by some other Elven "deity" the next time ?

 

 

[In Exile]

Well, you could be slaves by Morrigan but I prefer Solas playing the hero again, except in a more Flemeth like side role.

[Dai Grepher]

I count Solas' "salvation" as zero, since it's his fault you have the mark in the first place. But Flemeth still helps the Inquisitor defeat Corypheus. So I count that as half a one.

 

Same with Hawke. Flemeth roasts some darkspawn. So what? The group may have survived without her. Half a one.

 

The Hero was sort of saved by Flemeth, but I thought that was just stupid and forced exposition. So that's one, but it's a lame one. At least the Hero gets to kill a part of her afterward.

 

As for who is next, there are no other evanuris in the world. So it will either be Solas or Flemeth who saves the next protag, if at all. More likely, the (ex)Inquisitor will save the next protag.

[In Exile]

Flemeth doesn't "sort of" save the HOF. The story is clear the character is seriously wounded and would have died were it not for her. Same with Hawke - the plot makes it clear the darkspawn would have overrun the family and they'd all have died.

Regardless of where it was his fault, Solas still saves the Inquisitor.

[Dai Grepher]

Flemeth doesn't "sort of" save the HOF. The story is clear the character is seriously wounded and would have died were it not for her. Same with Hawke - the plot makes it clear the darkspawn would have overrun the family and they'd all have died.

Regardless of where it was his fault, Solas still saves the Inquisitor.

 

Bah! That's just the story Morrigan tells. Show me the x-rays.

 

As for the darkspawn... well, Varric exaggerates.

 

Saving the Herald from yourself hardly counts as a save.

[Nonoru]

It's not that the Evanuris saved them. It's them getting involved in their destinies in order to suit their own personal needs.

 

Flemeth planned to get Urthemiel's soul. She used Hawke to survive her confrontation with the Warden. Solas manipulated the Inquisitor in order to get back the orb. 

 

The only one among the Evanuris I could see being still present in the current era would be Dirthamen because he was the "god of secrets." If his creations, the varterrals are still active, it might mean that he remains in some shape or form. 

[Abyss108]

Saving someone is still saving someone, even if you have ulterior motives. 

[Dai Grepher]

Who's to say they all wouldn't have lived anyway? We'll never know what would have happened.

[Gervaise]

With Flemeth it isn't just PC characters that she helps.   There was also Maric, which again she did for a price to help her own agenda.  Since Flemeth has been around for several hundred years there may be instances of other heroes she has helped.   She has certainly helped Dalish clans down the years, such as the Sabrae clan when they were still in the Frostbacks; leaving Marethari with an obligation to assist in whatever way requested in the future.   (I think the decision to travel to the Freemarches was as much to do with Flemeth calling in her favour as fleeing from the Blight).    As she says, she likes to give events a "nudge" every so often to ensure they take the course that best suits her plans.

 

Solas is pretty much the same.   He had to help the Inquisitor because it was the only way to retrieve the situation he had set up.    If you confront him in Trespasser as someone he dislikes then he makes no secret of the fact that he is saving you because it suits him to, because he doesn't want the south to fall into chaos but have a comfortable existence until he kills them all.   If he turns up again in an assisting role to the PC you can bet it is only because it advances his plan.

 

Unless it turns out that the old gods are linked in some way to the evanuris, then it seems unlikely that a different elven god is going to present themselves in the future until such time as he releases them from their prison.    However, if Flemeth did pass on some aspect of her power to Morrigan, then she may well turn up in the future to bring timely assistance and that might technically qualify as assistance from Mythal.

[In Exile]

Bah! That's just the story Morrigan tells. Show me the x-rays.

 

As for the darkspawn... well, Varric exaggerates.

 

Saving the Herald from yourself hardly counts as a save.

 

There's no ambiguity here. The Warden gets an arrow stuck in the throat, blacks out, and recovers days later. If you're going to doubt this cutscene, you might as well just start doubting that Duncan is dead or that the AD died at Fort Drakon. 

[Patchwork]

Solas saving the pc early in the DA4 could be an interesting way to re-introduce him. He was playing at apostate hobo in DAI much like Flemeth was playing at crazy swamp witch in DAO so following that pattern maybe in DA4 he wont be pretending and we'll be rescued by a giant wolf with six eyes. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Flemeth doesn't "sort of" save the HOF. The story is clear the character is seriously wounded and would have died were it not for her. Same with Hawke - the plot makes it clear the darkspawn would have overrun the family and they'd all have died.

Regardless of where it was his fault, Solas still saves the Inquisitor.

Actually i'm unsure about it,Flemeth never stated that the injuries were severe quite the opposite since in proper conversation between Flemeth-Alistair  she never said that those injuries were severe,in one day more or less they were completely healed.

The Mabari hound which was on the top of that tower was not injured nor it was unconsciousness and nobody explained how it reach the Flemeth's hut

(i seriously doubt that the dog was grabbed by the high dragon Flemeth) thus prove that darkspawns do not kill those who survived they take them as prisoners(part of their lore),so FLemeth or not i doubt that the Warden  would have been dead over on that tower.

At worst the warden would have woken up into some dungeon in the deep roads similarly to when The Architect captured him.

[Shechinah]

 

Actually i'm unsure about it,Flemeth never stated that the injuries were severe quite the opposite since in proper conversation between Flemeth-Alistair  she never said that those injuries were severe,in one day more or less they were completely healed.

The Mabari hound which was on the top of that tower was not injured nor it was unconsciousness and nobody explained how it reach the Flemeth's hut

(i seriously doubt that the dog was grabbed by the high dragon Flemeth) thus prove that darkspawns do not kill those who survived they take them as prisoners(part of their lore),so FLemeth or not i doubt that the Warden  would have been dead over on that tower.

At worst the warden would have woken up into some dungeon in the deep roads similarly to when The Architect captured him.

 

 

Why would the darkspawn treat the Warden's wounds as oppose to either killing or turning them and how did you have a mabari with you since the mabari companion is not aquired, to my knowledge, until on the way to Lothering?
 

[Abyss108]

There can be Mabari hounds in the tower (you can release them to help fight the darkspawn), but Flemeth doesn't save any of them. The one you get as a companion later on was nowhere near the tower - he was locked up as he was ill.

 

Darkspawn do sometimes drag people underground if they survive, but only to convert them into more darkspawn. Which is worse than dying.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Why would the darkspawn treat the Warden's wounds as oppose to either killing or turning them and how did you have a mabari with you since the mabari companion is not aquired, to my knowledge, until on the way to Lothering?
 

 

There can be Mabari hounds in the tower (you can release them to help fight the darkspawn), but Flemeth doesn't save any of them. The one you get as a companion later on was nowhere near the tower - he was locked up as he was ill.

 

Darkspawn do sometimes drag people underground if they survive, but only to convert them into more darkspawn. Which is worse than dying.

Human noble origin dog is available on the top of the tower and is with the Warden and Alistair to light the beacon,the dog is not saved by FLemeth and is not defeated nor injuried nor killed by the darkspawns..

The warden survived the attacks of those darkspawn,so probably Alistair and the Warden would have been took as prisoners from them rather than be killed there,and those injuries weren't lethal otherwise the warden would have been dead before of FLemeth arrival.

[Medhia_Nox]

Solas is the reason you're dying in the first place.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Where is the elven god of secrets?
Clearly Dirtamhen was not imprisoned by Solas otherwise the Varterral would not be still around.

[Dai Grepher]

There's no ambiguity here. The Warden gets an arrow stuck in the throat, blacks out, and recovers days later. If you're going to doubt this cutscene, you might as well just start doubting that Duncan is dead or that the AD died at Fort Drakon. 

 

I didn't see any go in the throat. Two in the abs, one in the shoulder.

 

Why would he black out from arrows? That doesn't make people black out. And what about Alistair? Why doesn't he remember anything of what happened? Did he black out too? If so, then was it because of the Darkspawn, or did Flemeth use magic to make them all lose consciousness while she rescued the relevant individuals?

 

The game implies that the Darkspawn Emissary in the Ishal scene is the Necromancer featured in Return to Ostagar. If so, it proves that Flemeth did not fight the Darkspawn. She merely got the heroes out of there.

 

The days long recovery could be due to other factors, such as previous injuries and Flemeth being thorough in healing the character completely, or other tests Flemeth did without anyone's knowledge.

 

There is proof that Duncan and the Archdemon (without the Dark Ritual) die. There is no proof that the playable character would have died without Flemeth's intervention.

[Abyss108]

You... really have something against being saved by Flemeth... 

[Dai Grepher]

I also had something against being zonked out by the Architect, or bowing to Anora when my Hero is the King.

[Heimdall]

I also had something against being zonked out by the Architect, or bowing to Anora when my Hero is the King.

"Prince Consort"

[ModernAcademic]

So far, in every Dragon Age game the main character, be it Hero of Ferelden or Champion of Kirkwall or Inquisitor...You will end up being saved by one of the Elven "deities" .

 

In DAO & DA2, the Warden and Hawke were saved by Flemeth / Mythal. In DAI, the Inquisitor is saved by Solas / Fen'Harel (twice, once after they came out of the Fade the first time and the second time at the end of Trespasser).

 

So will Bioware continue the trend and have an Elven "deity" rescue our fourth protagonist ? Perhaps it will be Solas since Mythal did it twice so it would make some sense to have Fen'Harel save the protagonist again. Or would we be saved by some other Elven "deity" the next time ?

 

Well, it was the Elven deities who screwed the world in the first place - creating the Veil, misusing effective immortality -, so the least they can do is to lend a hand to the heroes trying to minimize the damage they did.

[Dai Grepher]

"Prince Consort"

 

Even if that were the true canon, my M!Cousland didn't bend the knee to Cailan at Ostagar, and he was just the Teyrn of Highever back then, while Cailan was king. So why would even a "prince" bend the knee to a Queen?

 

I guess it could be written off as the character acting as the Warden-Commander and showing service to the Ferelden crown, but Duncan didn't bend the knee to Cailan either.

 

Personally, I dismiss it as using the Warden senses to check the immediate underground for darkspawn to ensure the Queen is safe there.
 

[In Exile]

Even if that were the true canon, my M!Cousland didn't bend the knee to Cailan at Ostagar, and he was just the Teyrn of Highever back then, while Cailan was king. So why would even a "prince" bend the knee to a Queen?

 

I guess it could be written off as the character acting as the Warden-Commander and showing service to the Ferelden crown, but Duncan didn't bend the knee to Cailan either.

 

Personally, I dismiss it as using the Warden senses to check the immediate underground for darkspawn to ensure the Queen is safe there.
 

 

Your M!Cousland wasn't a Teyrn. Fergus is the Teyrn. Or the presumptive Teyrn, anyway. If Fergus dies, then you're in the line of succession, but that would be a hypothetical post-Ostagar question.

 

As to your why, well, that's literally the explicit condition Anora gives you. 

[Patchwork]

It's been ages since I played Awakening but I'm pretty sure that the Queen Consort kneels too. 

 

It's just a shared animation, all Warden-Commanders knee.

 

Although I do prefer the shared cross armed bow at Ostagar, it's a pity we never saw that again. It makes a nice contrast to the arm flourish bow Orlesians do.