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[GoldenGail3]

Me thinks it's a theme they have going on here.

[Dai Grepher]

Your M!Cousland wasn't a Teyrn. Fergus is the Teyrn. Or the presumptive Teyrn, anyway. If Fergus dies, then you're in the line of succession, but that would be a hypothetical post-Ostagar question.

 

As to your why, well, that's literally the explicit condition Anora gives you. 

 

Fergus is only teyrn if you ask Bryce about it in the larder. In that case he will name Fergus as the new teyrn. My M!Cousland did not ask about it. Which means the succession is in question at that point. But with Fergus out in the Wilds, the more capable candidate is the one still in camp, which is the safer position. The title falls to the one most capable of fulfilling it. During Ostagar, Fergus was in a compromised position and the M!Cousland is in a strategic one (nearer to the King, included in the chain of command at the war council).

 

Anora's condition is non-binding and meaningless. She makes a similar condition if she is arranged to marry Alistair, but that condition can be brushed aside by a mere chancellor. What counts is what the M!Cousland states as law at the Landsmeet, which was joint-rule.

[Dai Grepher]

It's been ages since I played Awakening but I'm pretty sure that the Queen Consort kneels too. 

 

It's just a shared animation, all Warden-Commanders knee.

 

Although I do prefer the shared cross armed bow at Ostagar, it's a pity we never saw that again. It makes a nice contrast to the arm flourish bow Orlesians do.   

 

She does, and you're right, it is a uniform animation across all playthroughs and characters, even Dalish and dwarves and Orlesians who are not subjects to the Ferelden monarchy. Doesn't make it any less annoying storyline-wise though.

 

I also prefer the crossed arms. I think Garevel or the Amaranthine Captain does it to the WC when you make the choice to save Amaranthine, or maybe it was when you sentence the Messenger.

[In Exile]

Fergus is only teyrn if you ask Bryce about it in the larder. In that case he will name Fergus as the new teyrn. My M!Cousland did not ask about it. Which means the succession is in question at that point. But with Fergus out in the Wilds, the more capable candidate is the one still in camp, which is the safer position. The title falls to the one most capable of fulfilling it. During Ostagar, Fergus was in a compromised position and the M!Cousland is in a strategic one (nearer to the King, included in the chain of command at the war council).

 

Anora's condition is non-binding and meaningless. She makes a similar condition if she is arranged to marry Alistair, but that condition can be brushed aside by a mere chancellor. What counts is what the M!Cousland states as law at the Landsmeet, which was joint-rule.

 

That's not how succession works. It has absolutely nothing to do with capability. Fergus is the Teyrn because he was always the presumptive heir. You don't need to ask Bryce about it - everyone knows it, and it comes up in conversation with others (including that some think the HN should be the heir). 

 

And you're wrong about Anora. Ferelden does pick a ruler: through the Landsmeet. And they pick Anora. They don't pick the HN. The HN's sole source of power his Anora's willingness to share, because she rules absolutely. The Landsmeet 100% is not joint rule, which is why you get the inferior and demeaning title. And why, in contrast, the HN with Alistair gets to be a Queen, not Princess Consort. 

 

Sorry, but your HN fantasy isn't what the game supports. 

[Dai Grepher]

That's not how succession works. It has absolutely nothing to do with capability. Fergus is the Teyrn because he was always the presumptive heir. You don't need to ask Bryce about it - everyone knows it, and it comes up in conversation with others (including that some think the HN should be the heir). 

 

And you're wrong about Anora. Ferelden does pick a ruler: through the Landsmeet. And they pick Anora. They don't pick the HN. The HN's sole source of power his Anora's willingness to share, because she rules absolutely. The Landsmeet 100% is not joint rule, which is why you get the inferior and demeaning title. And why, in contrast, the HN with Alistair gets to be a Queen, not Princess Consort. 

 

Sorry, but your HN fantasy isn't what the game supports. 

 

That's not how succession works in our world, but in the Dragon Age universe it goes to the most capable. Dairren confirms that the younger Cousland is more likely to succeed the Teyrn than Fergus is.

 

The Landsmeet agrees to abide by whatever the Warden says, and mine declared joint-rule between him and Anora in marriage.

 

The games (including Inquisition) do support the M!Cousland as king, and even call him such. Origins calls him "king", even Anora does. Bodahn states that he rules Ferelden in DA2. Elan Ve'mal reveals that Adan worked for the King of Ferelden before he was no longer there to serve, which most likely refers to either the M!Cousland king or Alistair if he was made king (and then left to find Maric in the comic).

 

The facts are on my side sir.
 

[Aren]

 

 

And you're wrong about Anora. Ferelden does pick a ruler: through the Landsmeet. And they pick Anora. They don't pick the HN. The HN's sole source of power his Anora's willingness to share, because she rules absolutely. The Landsmeet 100% is not joint rule, which is why you get the inferior and demeaning title. And why, in contrast, the HN with Alistair gets to be a Queen, not Princess Consort. 

 

Sorry, but your HN fantasy isn't what the game supports. 

First Anora is choose to be the Queen by the Warden at the landsmeet which was the arbiter of the dispute as Eamon said(do you want a video for that?) if Loghain is killed is the warden the one who pick Anora,but that's not even the point do we want to be more focused on the things that matters?

1)Anora isn't a full noble like the Human male noble

2) Anora doesn't possess the same titles and lands of her consort

3)Anora is the daughter of a disgraced general and she had somehow a role in the failed administration of Ferelden during the blight

4)Anora isn't an Arle and a Tyern like her consort

5)Anora doesn't have allies like Bhelen or Divine Leliana

6)prince consort= king consort the male warden is adressed several times in DAO as king by Anora at the post coronation,or as prince in DAA,then again as king in DAII,then again as prince by Loghain if he is in DAI,this demonstrate that the title is interchangeable.

https://en.wikipedia...ki/King_consort

7)Princess consort= Queen consort

https://en.wikipedia...rincess_consort

THe female noble is Queen consort not sovereign queen like Anora,and again Queen consort=Princess consort

those are not headcanons outside of the game,those are all things in game.

Also Bioware did a good job into not allow the warden to become a sovereign monarch,the protagonist cannot afford the responsability to rule the country with so many buisness with the wardens on his shoulders.

[Dai Grepher]

 

First Anora is choose to be the Queen by the Warden at the landsmeet which was the arbiter of the dispute as Eamon said(do you want a video for that?) if Loghain is killed is the warden the one who pick Anora,but that's not even the point do we want to be more focused on the things that matters?

1)Anora isn't a full noble like the Human male noble

2) Anora doesn't possess the same titles and lands of her consort

3)Anora is the daughter of a disgraced general and she had somehow a role in the failed administration of Ferelden during the blight

4)Anora isn't an Arle and a Tyern like her consort

5)Anora doesn't have allies like Bhelen or Divine Leliana

6)prince consort= king consort the male warden is adressed several times in DAO as king by Anora at the post coronation,or as prince in DAA,then again as king in DAII,then again as prince by Loghain if he is in DAI,this demonstrate that the title is interchangeable.

https://en.wikipedia...ki/King_consort

7)Princess consort= Queen consort

https://en.wikipedia...rincess_consort

THe female noble is Queen consort not sovereign queen like Anora,and again Queen consort=Princess consort

those are not headcanons outside of the game,those are all things in game.

Also Bioware did a good job into not allow the warden to become a sovereign monarch,the protagonist cannot afford the responsability to rule the country with so many buisness with the wardens on his shoulders.

 

 

Right, the Warden gets to choose, so whatever the Warden says is law. The M!Cousland can declare joint-rule in two different ways depending on if Loghain lives or dies, and both reflect him as a joint-ruling monarch, not a consort.

 

1. Right. She was pretty much a commoner at that point. Widowed, and then her father's nobility was stripped away, so she couldn't even claim nobility through him anymore.

 

2. Anora was Cailan's consort, so you're right that she held no titles or lands of her own. With Loghain defeated and exposed as a traitor, his titles and lands were forfeit.

 

3. Anora was indeed usurped soon after Cailan's death. It speaks poorly of her alleged authority.

 

4. Sorry? What do you mean "her consort"? The M!Cousland is not a consort at all. While he was Teyrn before becoming King, he wasn't Arl of Amaranthine yet.

 

5. Um... allies from Origins I can understand, it makes the M!Cousland a much stronger power than Anora, but Leliana can't even have the possibility of becoming Divine until 11 years later.

 

6. Well, Prince/King Consort are the same, but that's not the same as a regnant king. The M!Cousland can become a regnant king who rules jointly with Anora who can become a regnant queen.

 

7. I'm unfamiliar with the F!Cousland path, so I can't say with any certainty what BioWare did or didn't do regarding that part of the storyline. Anora was a queen-consort to Cailan, which means she had no ruling power except that which Cailan delegated to her. As I understand it, the F!Cousand is called "queen", which would accurately reflect what she is, since her dialogue is similar to the M!Cousland's in the Landsmeet. Which would mean Bioware got it right for her, but messed up in on the M!Cousland who should be referred to as "king".

 

The Hero isn't a solo monarch, but he is one of two co-equal monarchs. And yes, this was in part because of the reasons you stated regarding the Wardens.

[Tidus]

Being overran by a group of Darkspawn and being pulled out of the fire by Flemeth is indeed a save unless you think those Darkspawns was going to have a sit down chat over tea and biscuits. They would have killed everybody in that tower that's what they do.

 

The warden chooses the Queen or King or arrange their marriage. My warden prefers to arrange their marriage so they can rule jointly.

 

Know this.. Every hero has help and the HOF is no different. In my games that help is provided by Leliana,Zevran and Morrigan. His/her life was saved by Flemeth.

[Aren]

Right, the Warden gets to choose, so whatever the Warden says is law. The M!Cousland can declare joint-rule in two different ways depending on if Loghain lives or dies, and both reflect him as a joint-ruling monarch, not a consort.

 

 

The scene however is far more clear if Loghain is killed and AListair is unhardened,becuase the Warden literally is asked from Eamon to decide for the landsmeet

Is the same thing in the end with Loghian not killed.

 

They would have killed everybody in that tower that's what they do.

 

 

Really? Then why they didn't killed my dog(Noble origin) on the tower of Ishal? who was not even saved by Flemeth

[Andromelek]

Yes, you are basically are saved by an Elven God each game, but DA4 will definitely break the rule, now Flemeth is dead and we have to kick Solas' ass, so if someone save us will not be an Elven God, though, it could be maybe an Avvar God or a cute Old God the one who save us.

[Patchwork]

Yes, you are basically are saved by an Elven God each game, but DA4 will definitely break the rule, now Flemeth is dead and we have to kick Solas' ass, so if someone save us will not be an Elven God, though, it could be maybe an Avvar God or a cute Old God the one who save us.

 

Maybe even the Inquisitor. 

[JadeDragon]

It would be cool twist to be saved by a old god in some way. And finally get the story from there point of view which would add some nice pieces to the DA lore puzzle

[Ghost Gal]

Yep. Despite all the elf hate, every character gets rescued by elven gods in every game up to this point. Where's your Maker now?

 

I actually hope they keep up the trend next game, just to make the elf haters really squirm.

[Dai Grepher]

Being overran by a group of Darkspawn and being pulled out of the fire by Flemeth is indeed a save unless you think those Darkspawns was going to have a sit down chat over tea and biscuits. They would have killed everybody in that tower that's what they do.

 

The warden chooses the Queen or King or arrange their marriage. My warden prefers to arrange their marriage so they can rule jointly.

 

Know this.. Every hero has help and the HOF is no different. In my games that help is provided by Leliana,Zevran and Morrigan. His/her life was saved by Flemeth.

 

I question the Warden's injuries. Would he have gotten back up after that had Flemeth not interceded? I think so.

 

Are you saying your Hero joint rules?

 

Of course every HoF had help. That was never disputed. But I don't think we can know for sure that the Hero would have died without Flemeth's help.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yep. Despite all the elf hate, every character gets rescued by elven gods in every game up to this point. Where's your Maker now?

 

I actually hope they keep up the trend next game, just to make the elf haters really squirm.

 

Tell me, where is your Maker now? Call him. Call down his wrath upon me. You cannot, for He does not exist !

 

That is why the Evanuris (Flemeth / Mythal) or Ancient Elves that rival the power of Evanuris (Solas / Fen'Harel) are the ones that save the protagonist.