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[The Real Pearl #2]

https://niceme.me/

You are an amalgamate

[iM3GTR]

I don't really care as long as there sre no Gunguns.

[Degrees1991]

If there was a design for the Raloi I would expect it to be reused for a New Race in MEA. Other than that I don't see them ever making an appearance.

[Ahglock]

Things just don't work like this in the real world, alliances are good and well, but you need your own soldiers at the end of the day.

In the real world there are fairly massive levels in training between soldiers of different countries. Funding, need, cultural beliefs drive these things.

I don't have a problem with the Asari are the X race trope. Societies are becoming more homogenized. Fast forward 1000 years assuming we survive there is an okay chance that it will become one earth culture and many of our diverse traits will be gone. Individuals will hopefully exist that break the mold but it wouldn't be a stretch to say humanity is mostly X. I think sci fi writers accidentally stumbled into a very possible future when depicting a monolithic culture for alien races that have been around far longer than we have.

That being said while the Asari in general are depicted as more diplomatic, they still have their commandoes who are considered bad ass.

[Ahglock]

Oh and seafood is nasty. But I worked in a seafood restaurant for 10 years in high school and college. Nothing like going home every night with a stink of sea food stuck to your hair, clothes and skin to turn you off the stuff.

[Ralfufigus]

In the real world there are fairly massive levels in training between soldiers of different countries. Funding, need, cultural beliefs drive these things.
I don't have a problem with the Asari are the X race trope. Societies are becoming more homogenized. Fast forward 1000 years assuming we survive there is an okay chance that it will become one earth culture and many of our diverse traits will be gone. Individuals will hopefully exist that break the mold but it wouldn't be a stretch to say humanity is mostly X. I think sci fi writers accidentally stumbled into a very possible future when depicting a monolithic culture for alien races that have been around far longer than we have.
That being said while the Asari in general are depicted as more diplomatic, they still have their commandoes who are considered bad ass.

With the rise of the Internet, gloabalization is happening at a steadily inclining pace, and it's only going to increase as it's further developed. So I agree with you, to some extent.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

Oh and seafood is nasty. But I worked in a seafood restaurant for 10 years in high school and college. Nothing like going home every night with a stink of sea food stuck to your hair, clothes and skin to turn you off the stuff.

....that's how my nightmares look like...or smell like, i guess

[Kabooooom]

I never understood why people actually thought the Raloi could trick the Reapers like that. When the Reapers dealt with the more threatening species of the galaxy, they would just swing by the Raloi homeworld and wipe them out. There's no way they would let them survive into the next cycle.

Since Bioware is taking the "all endings are equally valid" approach, they are probably having the colonists leave before ME3 which means no Raloi, probably. Although, a truly benevolent Ark mission would include all species of the galaxy.

[KaiserShep]

Oh and seafood is nasty. But I worked in a seafood restaurant for 10 years in high school and college. Nothing like going home every night with a stink of sea food stuck to your hair, clothes and skin to turn you off the stuff.

Heathen. Seafood is delicious. Your treacherous words won't change that.

[Dantriges]

I never understood why people actually thought the Raloi could trick the Reapers like that. When the Reapers dealt with the more threatening species of the galaxy, they would just swing by the Raloi homeworld and wipe them out. There's no way they would let them survive into the next cycle.

They entered the community after Sovereign was killed. It sounded more like a desperate plan anyways. Anyways they just launched their first space telescope and discovered an asari ship with it. That´s our current tech level more or less. Hubble launched in 1990, the Yahg were described as having a 20th century tech level and they were left alone.

[Ahglock]

Heathen. Seafood is delicious. Your treacherous words won't change that.

You lies and propaganda won't sway me from the truth. You are clearly paid off by big seafood and your reporting can not be trusted.

[DWH1982]

Some of the planet descriptions from ME2 hint that the Reapers not only harvest advanced, space faring civilizations, but also bomb non-space faring civs out of existence if they have passed a certain point of development. I don't think it's ever confirmed that the Reapers did this, but in some ways it makes sense - it would prevent any one species from becoming too advanced to pose a serious challenge by the time the next cycle ends, and, given the Reapers supposed motive, it might help limit the number of species that become advanced enough to construct powerful AIs before the Reapers are ready to come around again. Wouldn't do much to "preserve" the unfortunate life forms that get bombed out of existence, though.

 

In any event, I doubt the Raloi trick would have worked. Even if they don't routinely nerf civilizations that have advanced beyond a certain stage but are not space faring, it's unlikely that the Reapers would allow a species to survive into the next cycle that 1) interacted with the species from the previous cycles and 2) knows about the Reapers and would, as such, have thousands of years to prepare for the next time they come back. Does anyone really think it would be smart for the Reapers to allow a species to know they exist and give them that much time to prepare?

 

As for the fate of the Raloi after the end of ME3 - If they haven't been destroyed, I'm sure they will either re-establish contact with the rest of the galaxy, or the rest of the galaxy will re-establish contact with them. The rest of the galaxy will probably look down on them, too, for sticking their head in the sand while everyone else fought back.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Some of the planet descriptions from ME2 hint that the Reapers not only harvest advanced, space faring civilizations, but also bomb non-space faring civs out of existence if they have passed a certain point of development. I don't think it's ever confirmed that the Reapers did this, but in some ways it makes sense - it would prevent any one species from becoming too advanced to pose a serious challenge by the time the next cycle ends, and, given the Reapers supposed motive, it might help limit the number of species that become advanced enough to construct powerful AIs before the Reapers are ready to come around again. Wouldn't do much to "preserve" the unfortunate life forms that get bombed out of existence, though.

 

In any event, I doubt the Raloi trick would have worked. Even if they don't routinely nerf civilizations that have advanced beyond a certain stage but are not space faring, it's unlikely that the Reapers would allow a species to survive into the next cycle that 1) interacted with the species from the previous cycles and 2) knows about the Reapers and would, as such, have thousands of years to prepare for the next time they come back. Does anyone really think it would be smart for the Reapers to allow a species to know they exist and give them that much time to prepare?

 

As for the fate of the Raloi after the end of ME3 - If they haven't been destroyed, I'm sure they will either re-establish contact with the rest of the galaxy, or the rest of the galaxy will re-establish contact with them. The rest of the galaxy will probably look down on them, too, for sticking their head in the sand while everyone else fought back.

The more likely answer is instead of the Reaper attacking pre spaceflight races,you forgot about the races that are dominant during each cycle doing a little genocide on side.

[Master Warder Z_]

The more likely answer is instead of the Reaper attacking pre spaceflight races,you forgot about the races that are dominant during each cycle doing a little genocide on side.

 

 

I can't think of really any genocide in Mass Effect truth be told...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They entered the community after Sovereign was killed. It sounded more like a desperate plan anyways. Anyways they just launched their first space telescope and discovered an asari ship with it. That´s our current tech level more or less. Hubble launched in 1990, the Yahg were described as having a 20th century tech level and they were left alone.

Well, they were left alone during the events of Mass Effect 3. After the Reapers dealt with all the spacefaring races, they could then focus on races who are at the precipice of that level, not wanting to give them nearly the entire 50,000 years to have reign over the galaxy. 

[Dantriges]

If they considered a civilisation which was spacefaring for the whole cycle a threat, they would have shortened them. What we know is that the Reapers passed Parnack without bombing it or dropping an asteroid. If they eliminated every civilisation close to spacefaring they would have to bomb everything that discovered writing considering how long these cycles are.

 

Everyone, even they themselves said, they take the spacefaring ones.

[Oldren Shepard]

And the Kirik?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If they considered a civilisation which was spacefaring for the whole cycle a threat, they would have shortened them. What we know is that the Reapers passed Parnack without bombing it or dropping an asteroid. If they eliminated every civilisation close to spacefaring they would have to bomb everything that discovered writing considering how long these cycles are.

 

Everyone, even they themselves said, they take the spacefaring ones.

But we also have several planets that talk about very similar extinction events of races which reached at least the Bronze Age. It makes sense to focus on the spacefaring ones first since they are the only ones who can fight and/or flee, making them a risk to the cycle. A minuscule risk, but still a risk. Meanwhile races stuck on their planets pose absolutely no risk to the cycle, so they can come and sweep up later. Remember harvests last for centuries, and we experience only the first less than a year of it. 

[Kabooooom]

They entered the community after Sovereign was killed. It sounded more like a desperate plan anyways. Anyways they just launched their first space telescope and discovered an asari ship with it. That´s our current tech level more or less. Hubble launched in 1990, the Yahg were described as having a 20th century tech level and they were left alone.

Not really though, they were only "left alone" in the sense that the Reapers ignored them to focus on actual spacefaring threats. In planet descriptions, there are several examples of orbital bombardments wiping out pre-spaceflight species. It is heavily implied that the Reapers did this, and it makes sense in a way, as leaving that species alone would mean in a few thousand years they would be spacefaring and they would have to return to the galaxy to wipe them out or risk them becoming too advanced.

Similarly, leaving the Yahg unharmed would mean they would become spacefaring in centuries or millenia, find the Citadel, begin advancing technologically and potentially learn about the Reapers enough that they could start to prepare.It would be idiotic to leave them alone.

[Dantriges]

But we also have several planets that talk about very similar extinction events of races which reached at least the Bronze Age. It makes sense to focus on the spacefaring ones first since they are the only ones who can fight and/or flee, making them a risk to the cycle. A minuscule risk, but still a risk. Meanwhile races stuck on their planets pose absolutely no risk to the cycle, so they can come and sweep up later. Remember harvests last for centuries, and we experience only the first less than a year of it. 

 

I read several entries which mentioned stuff that planets got bombed in earlier cycles, but this cycle has the capability, too. I can´t remember that a bronze age civilisation got bombed. And the asari would have been on this list, too. The protheans uplifted them to at least writing and mathematics level and seems rather unlikely that the protheans eradicated everything about their uplift projects from their databases like Ilos, when Javik, who was born after the fall of the empire, had extensive knowledge about them. So the Reapers would have missed them twice. Once for not wiping them out after they had contact with the protheans and another time in this speculative general "bomb the spear chuckers" mop up operation.

 

Even the Reapers say, they leave the pre spaceflight civilisations alone. What are they talking about then?  There isn´t much left which you can call civilisation, if you bomb everything, that´s above banging stones together. If the Reapers were really concerned that someone would become spacefaring 10,000 or even 5,000 years after they left, they would do shorter cycles. It was Sovereign´s job to look for potential outliers instead.

 

Might be idiotic considering the unimaginbable technological advances we could do 30-40,000 years in the future, but uh well it´s not like Reaper logic or military strategy beyond the trap set up is actually sound.

[Ralfufigus]

Some of the planet descriptions from ME2 hint that the Reapers not only harvest advanced, space faring civilizations, but also bomb non-space faring civs out of existence if they have passed a certain point of development. I don't think it's ever confirmed that the Reapers did this, but in some ways it makes sense - it would prevent any one species from becoming too advanced to pose a serious challenge by the time the next cycle ends, and, given the Reapers supposed motive, it might help limit the number of species that become advanced enough to construct powerful AIs before the Reapers are ready to come around again. Wouldn't do much to "preserve" the unfortunate life forms that get bombed out of existence, though.
 
In any event, I doubt the Raloi trick would have worked. Even if they don't routinely nerf civilizations that have advanced beyond a certain stage but are not space faring, it's unlikely that the Reapers would allow a species to survive into the next cycle that 1) interacted with the species from the previous cycles and 2) knows about the Reapers and would, as such, have thousands of years to prepare for the next time they come back. Does anyone really think it would be smart for the Reapers to allow a species to know they exist and give them that much time to prepare?
 
As for the fate of the Raloi after the end of ME3 - If they haven't been destroyed, I'm sure they will either re-establish contact with the rest of the galaxy, or the rest of the galaxy will re-establish contact with them. The rest of the galaxy will probably look down on them, too, for sticking their head in the sand while everyone else fought back.

That's a great point. I doubt the Reapers would allow a race that knows of their existence to survive into the next cycle. However, I'm not 100% certain that the rest of the galaxy would harbor too much ill will against them, as their current technological level of advancement was only capable of launching a space telescope. I doubt anyone would've even expected them to be able to fight back against the Reapers.

[Ralfufigus]

And the Kirik?

Good question. Although, their level of intelligence wasn't certain.

[SNascimento]

I remember that, by reading planets entries, I got the impression Reapers would use weather changing devices to completely change the environment of a planet and so kill everything for sure. There is a mission in ME2 in which the Geth are experiment with such a devide, so I thought maybe they could even be connected. But I don't think anything in ME3 hinted to that. 

[Ahglock]

Good question. Although, their level of intelligence wasn't certain.

Now the Kirk is a genius bad ass of infinite level. Far out classes the Picard.

[Master Warder Z_]

Now the Kirk is a genius bad ass of infinite level. Far out classes the Picard.