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[TEWR]

Merrill is a good and smart person with a strong sense of justice. She would absolutely NOT stand by while Solas committed his atrocities or go along with them. Not if it meant that so many innocent lives would be destroyed in the process.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Merrill is a good and smart person with a strong sense of justice. She would absolutely NOT stand by while Solas committed his atrocities or go along with them. Not if it meant that so many innocent lives would be destroyed in the process.

Pretty sure, she didn't care who she would hurt with her actions to restore elven glory, though it was due to her extreme stupidity.

 

If Solas wanted her support it would take 5 seconds to someone like Solas manipulate her. .

[ThePhoenixKing]

Merrill is a good and smart person with a strong sense of justice. She would absolutely NOT stand by while Solas committed his atrocities or go along with them. Not if it meant that so many innocent lives would be destroyed in the process.

 

Wholeheartedly agreed! There's steel in her that too often I don't think people recognize, a sense of right and wrong, that while different from others, she holds to pretty firmly. Merrill has always been about self-sacrifice, not sacrificing others, and I'm certain she'd be horrified at how Solas is willing to see others dead for the sake of his perfect world.

[Aren]

I do not understand as for why Solas revealed all those informations to the Inquisitor in Trespasser.....if he want to win then better to keep your enemy unaware of your true nature

[TEWR]

I do not understand as for why Solas revealed all those informations to the Inquisitor in Trespasser.....if he want to win then better to keep your enemy unaware of your true nature

 

The Dread Wolf persona wants to win, but Solas wants to be proven wrong again. Better to arm the person you think can prove you wrong -- who has proven you wrong in fact on other things -- and give them a fighting chance.

 

They're the same person but I'm talking about masks and such. 

 

You wear a mask for so long you forget who you were beneath it.

 

 

Wholeheartedly agreed! There's steel in her that too often I don't think people recognize, a sense of right and wrong, that while different from others, she holds to pretty firmly. Merrill has always been about self-sacrifice, not sacrificing others, and I'm certain she'd be horrified at how Solas is willing to see others dead for the sake of his perfect world.

 

Yup this. And yet people seem willing to cast blame on her for the actions of other people. They want to say she's not an adult yet refuse to hold other adults accountable for their own actions.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yup this. And yet people seem willing to cast blame on her for the actions of other people. They want to say she's not an adult yet refuse to hold other adults accountable for their own actions.

She isn't an adult (unless you are talking about age) , she refuses recognize fact her actions endager other people despite being constantly told so and being proven she is danger to other people. Actions of other people pretty much only saved her stupid ass and many other lives.

[TEWR]

I don't see how her actions can endanger other people when DAI vindicated her stance on the Eluvians -- that they're harmless and that hers actually connected to the Crossroads, which is nowhere near the Fade -- and game canon (and even the short story) literally will flat out state that Audacity was trapped in the statue by powerful magic, sundered from the Fade, and substantially weakened to the point that the farther away you are from him the less he can do. He could only barely whisper to the Keeper and Merrill at where their camp was.

 

The only way he was getting out of there was if someone freed him. And shock of shocks! Merrill wasn't going there to free him! She literally will tell you that's not what she's asking you to do! She will tell you that she wants you there incase the demon does something she's not counting on! And Marethari the old hag is the one who released the demon and gave him precisely what he wanted (a powerful mage to use as a meatsack)!

 

But c'est la vie, ignore facts if you want. Doesn't change how you're wrong.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't see how her actions can endanger other people when DAI vindicated her stance on the Eluvians -- that they're harmless and that hers actually connected to the Crossroads, which is nowhere near the Fade -- and game canon (and even the short story) literally will flat out state that Audacity was trapped in the statue by powerful magic, sundered from the Fade, and substantially weakened to the point that the farther away you are from him the less he can do. He could only barely whisper to the Keeper and Merrill at where their camp was.

 

The only way he was getting out of there was if someone freed him. And shock of shocks! Merrill wasn't going there to free him! She literally will tell you that's not what she's asking you to do! She will tell you that she wants you there incase the demon does something she's not counting on! And Marethari the old hag is the one who released the demon and gave him precisely what he wanted (a powerful mage to use as a meatsack)!

 

But c'est la vie, ignore facts if you want. Doesn't change how you're wrong.

 

LoL, aside from fact she can end as abomnation (and almost did twice if not that she was saved by other people) and go on rampage, she is playing with things she doesn't know about and were shown to be dangerous in the middle of the city. Pretty much she refused to acknowledge her actions affect others. 

 

If she wasn't going to free him and he couldn't possess her then why she took Hawke with her , if demon couldn't possess her Marethari wouldn't sacrifice her life for her , it is rather clear he could have possessed her and it was an option, she utterly failed to resist to demon when she was exposed to one and yet refused acknowledge fact she couldn't handle one.All Marethari did is took bullet for her.

 

I don't need ignore facts because facts are on mine side she was shown to be unable resist demon and yet still was happy to toy with them and that is fact.

[ThePhoenixKing]

I do not understand as for why Solas revealed all those informations to the Inquisitor in Trespasser.....if he want to win then better to keep your enemy unaware of your true nature

 

Honestly? I don't think Solas is playing with a full deck, if you know what I mean. Perhaps he feels the Inquisitor is owed an explanation, even if he or she can't be permitted to stop him?

[TEWR]

LoL, aside from fact she can end as abomnation (and almost did twice if not that she was saved by other people) and go on rampage, she is playing with things she doesn't know about and were shown to be dangerous in the middle of the city. Pretty much she refused to acknowledge her actions affect others. 

 

If she wasn't going to free him and he couldn't possess her then why she took Hawke with her , if demon couldn't possess her Marethari wouldn't sacrifice her life for her , it is rather clear he could have possessed her and it was an option, she utterly failed to resist to demon when she was exposed to one and yet refused acknowledge fact she couldn't handle one.All Marethari did is took bullet for her.

 

I don't need ignore facts because facts are on mine side she was shown to be unable resist demon and yet still was happy to toy with them and that is fact.

 

Uh, she can't end up as an abomination. And yeah, the Eluvian wasn't shown to be dangerous -- do you go and tell Morrigan that they're dangerous in Inquisition? Do you believe she's dealing with things she doesn't understand? She knows the same as Merrill, only difference being that she got one to work (which she says took a great deal of work so it's not exactly an easy thing to accomplish). The only thing that was shown to be dangerous was the Taint, which if you knew your lore (it's obvious you don't) you'd know that Marethari's Elven healing magic was shown to weaken and suppress the Taint in a living being -- Mahariel -- and that Marethari says Merrill knows this same magic.

 

Blood magic is used to amplify the powers of spells Mages know and Merrill says that she could've cleansed the shard easily with lyrium if she'd had it (which let's remember is not easy to acquire because it's expensive as **** and the Chantry has a monopoly on it). Further, Word of God has said that the Eluvian she built was not only built using what lore she found and extrapolations made therein -- showing that despite your belief, she has been studying them and knows about them -- but that it was also a brand new one. Meaning it wasn't hooked up to the place that the one from the DEO was linked to, so if it was to work it wouldn't transmute the Taint.

 

And besides, if you talked to all of the companions you'd know that Night Terrors' demons has them grow fed up that you ruined their bid for Feynriel's power and they decide that, despite their abhorrence for crass measures such as mind control, decide to go for it. Pride Demons and Desire demons both are capable of mind control yet eschew it in favor of more subtle methods.

 

Far more intelligent than the bestial hunger and rage demons, and more ambitious than the demons of sloth, these dark spirits are among the most skilled at tempting mages into possession. Many who serve the whims of a desire demon never realize it. They are manipulated by illusions and deceit if not outright mind control, although these demons are reluctant to resort to such crude measures. Instead, they seem to take great pleasure in corruption. The greater the deceit, the greater their victory.

 

 

From the Desire Demon codex. Don't believe me, you can check the wiki yourself

 

 

Demons of desire are amongst the most powerful, and are the ones most likely to seek out the living and actively trick them into a deal. These demons will exploit anything that can be coveted—wealth, power, lust—and they will always end up getting far more than they give. A desire demon's province is that of illusions and mind control.

 

Strongest of all demons are those of pride. These are the most feared creatures to loose upon the world: Masters of magic and in possession of vast intellect, they are the true schemers. It is they who seek most strongly to possess mages, and will bring other demons across the Veil in numbers to achieve their own ends—although what that might be has never been discovered. A greater pride demon, brought across the veil, would threaten the entire world.

 

Once again, commenting on how Desire Demons can control the minds of people, and given that Pride Demons are noted as being stronger then Desire Demons it makes a lot of sense that they could do it as well if they wanted. ****, even Hawke will state to the other companions that what happened was mind control, plain and simple. The fact that the Demons are going deep into their minds and digging up personal things, planting the images in their minds (as they will attest to having happened), such that they no longer can tell what's real or not, is enough to demonstrate that it was mind control.

 

I harbor one regret and I deserve to have my mind stripped of all control? -- Aveline

 

I could see the hard line of the hull, run my hands along the elegant curve of her prow... -- Isabela

 

You didn't betray me, the demon made you do it -- Hawke

I should've recognized I was being manipulated. -- Merrill

 

In that same convo she admits that in all the dealings she's had with spirits thus far she's been careful -- which at their core, the dichotomy of labeling them Demons and Spirits is just semantics because they're all spirits.

 

She will say that she knew not to trust as it was happening and yet did anyway. Meaning she's being forced to trust something she doesn't trust at all. The words it uttered dug into her being and despite how her heart was telling her no, her mind was compelled to say yes -- even as she went in to the Fade believing nothing but herself. For ****'s sake she's even able to recognize Torpor as a Demon of Sloth and tells you to think active thoughts to counter how it preys on lethargy and laziness. Do you think all those books on magic and mana in her house are just for show as well?

 

 

 

If she wasn't going to free him and he couldn't possess her then why she took Hawke with her , if demon couldn't possess her Marethari wouldn't sacrifice her life for her , it is rather clear he could have possessed her and it was an option, she utterly failed to resist to demon when she was exposed to one and yet refused acknowledge fact she couldn't handle one.All Marethari did is took bullet for her.

 

Gee I dunno, how would you feel if you had a Pride Demon resting on a mountain above you and he was able to whisper in your ear for seven years straight as you sleep and probably took advantage of the widening gap between you and your former apprentice? How would you feel if he kept telling you, the Keeper, that you're right and that your apprentice doesn't know what she's doing? How would you feel if when you woke you were sobbing just like that second night you first heard its voice? I'm almost sure the old hag was suffering from insomnia.

 

Merrill brings Hawke with her because while she knows he can't escape, that doesn't mean he can't plan. And it doesn't mean she shouldn't either. You must not have heard the saying of how an animal driven back into a corner is still dangerous. It's the same reason I keep a fire extinguisher in my house despite how a fire happening isn't likely, or a bat under my bed in the event a burglar might break in despite how that isn't likely.

 

But I mean if taking safeguards despite the low or even nonexistent risk associated with them is evidence of us being stupid I'll gladly move to your neck of the woods where everything is perfect and sunshine and rainbows.

 

EDIT: **** I would think that Merrill asking us to come with her would be seen as a logical progression given that in Night Terrors she's mind-controlled by a Pride Demon. It basically says "This demon is so weak that theoretically he shouldn't pose a threat, but in the off chance he has a trick up his sleeve or he forces me to help, I want you there because you'll know if something's off and you can help stop it. Better safe then sorry!"

[TheKomandorShepard]

*chop

 

Oh , she can't? So i guess then Merril is immune to demonic possession now? Of course Eluvian wasn't shown to be dangerous except it abducted Tamlen and turned him into ghoul that aided darkspawn , granted she didn't know about second but knew about first.She had absolutely no idea where it leads to and what/who was on other side , as well she it could have lead on deep roads and unleash Darkspawn into Kirkwall.

 

Merril knows as much Morrigan good one, sorry but i can respond only with this . Merril is nothing if compared to Morrigan when it comes to Eluvians .That said Morrigan also was playing with things she didn't understood and it cost her dearly if you allow her to do that , but thing she was playing with was different and difference is that Morrigan knows that her actions affect others but just doesn't care. Fact is Merril had little knowledge what she was doing and what consequences playing with mirror could have lead to.

 

None of that undermines fact she was an easy pray for demon and she was unable to resist temptation, so even if it was partly mind control it is still something demons can easily do when they see it fit.So truth she was toying with demons despite fact they can easily possess her and she wouldn't be able to stop it and by that endangered other people.

 

LoL , so what she recognized sloth demon , that i can recognize animal doesn't make it not dangerous and that im able to handle it, nor does having book about animals do. As i said she utterly failed to resist when faced demon mind control or not.

 

Now you are just making stuff up. Hawke was there specifically to kill Merril if she was possessed by demon , she even says so. Merril becoming possessed wasn't finction but actual possibility , giving her preformance when facing demon last time chances she would have been possessed were very high. Pretty much Marethari sacrificed herself because of that very reason. 

 

I love like Merril fans try to paint Merril bringing Hawke as measure to deal with scenario of being possessed despite it was something obvious and she was being told so by almost every person informed of Merril actions as not being dumb.Pretty much she risked lives of her firends/companions and others because Hawke could have fail to stop demon.

 

So no, by any mean chances of her possession weren't low they were pretty high as i said as simple fact she was unable to resist before when facing demon proves to us.