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[CoM Solaufein]

Since I don't care much for DA2, sacrificing Hawke means nothing to me.

[Ghost Gal]

... Why isn't there a dialogue option to get her autograph? My character is a big fan of Hawke but the interaction was rather dry and all about business. We talk about Hawke's deeds more with Varric than with Hawke. Hawke romance would have blown my mind; I've never heard of a RPG where your character can romance another one of your own character.

 

On the flip side of that coin, why isn't there a dialogue option to be rude or dismissive to Hawke? My Inquisitor thinks Hawke is an overrated failure whose many "adventures" involve being a glorified errand boy/girl for one small city at best, a failure who failed to prevent (and, in fact, indirectly helped start) the world's mess at worst.

 

Yet everyone constantly acts like Hawke is this great, accomplished, unparalleled hero, and even the Inquisitor has to speak deferentially to him/her, and I'm just thinking, "One duel with one Arishok doesn't make you a better hero than the one who almost single-handedly stopped the Blight. You failed to stop Anders and you failed to kill Corypheus, so what makes Varric or Cassandra think you'll be any help stopping this war or defeating Corypheus? Get out of here!"

[Tigress M]

Hawke gets sacrificed in all of my games and not just because Alistair is my Warden, although that's a big bonus.  It's just what Hawke would do... s/he blew it when s/he let Cory out of his prison and s/he knows it.  This is his moment to atone and I let him/her do it.  

[robertmarilyn]

Hawke gets sacrificed in all of my games and not just because Alistair is my Warden, although that's a big bonus.  It's just what Hawke would do... s/he blew it when s/he let Cory out of his prison and s/he knows it.  This is his moment to atone and I let him/her do it.  

 

At what point should Hawke have known he/she was doing something wrong in regards to Cory? What would the right thing have been to do?

[Guitar-Hero]

Id love to romance myself, multiple times.

[nightscrawl]

At what point should Hawke have known he/she was doing something wrong in regards to Cory? What would the right thing have been to do?

 

I am in agreement.

 

However, playing devil's advocate, one could say that the change in Larius's behavior was an interesting clue (I've never seen the version for going with the Wardens). Of course, that's really all it is: a strange happenstance, and not everyone will pick up on it. You can call me thick or whatever, I don't mind, but I did not when I first played the DLC. Then I hopped on these forums to read people saying all sorts of things about Larius and how he was suddenly all better, and wondering whether that might not come into play later on...

 

But that begs the question: what was Hawke supposed to do about it? Say that they did notice the behavior and questioned Larius about it -- "Say, Larius, you seem to be doing much better now that Corypheus is dead." He could simply respond that, now that the ancient magister-turned-darkspawn is now dead, he is no longer hearing the Call that was driving him batty.

 

Yes, I do suppose that there are players that would kill him on the basis of that alone, but really, it is an extreme response and not warranted by the circumstance.

 

Any other argument beyond that is completely ignoring the circumstances of the DLC. Here we had rabid cultists that were hounding the Hawke family because they wanted their blood... literally. That can't be ignored. And once they were already inside the trap there was nothing to do but go forward, and the only way to leave was by killing Corypheus. So it was simply a matter of survival.

 

BUT, all of that aside, I will say that I think Anders or one of the Warden Hawke siblings -- should they have been in the party -- should have been able to tell when Corypheus went into Larius. Or perhaps not? I am unsure if a ghoul is sensed in the same manner as a darkspawn, since they are not the same thing.

[nightscrawl]

Id love to romance myself, multiple times.

 

Surely you can already do that...

[lynroy]

lynroy is such a romantic.

Damn. My secret is out. You got me.

[Serza]

Thefuck did I just read?

 

Something... weird?

 

I think I saw some... I don't know what I saw, actually.

 

tl;dr

 

I agree. Donk is pretty good at making TL;DR versions of posts, isn't she.

 

lynroy is such a romantic.   

 

It's why we most platonically love her.

[ESTAQ99]

On the flip side of that coin, why isn't there a dialogue option to be rude or dismissive to Hawke? My Inquisitor thinks Hawke is an overrated failure whose many "adventures" involve being a glorified errand boy/girl for one small city at best, a failure who failed to prevent (and, in fact, indirectly helped start) the world's mess at worst.

 

Yet everyone constantly acts like Hawke is this great, accomplished, unparalleled hero, and even the Inquisitor has to speak deferentially to him/her, and I'm just thinking, "One duel with one Arishok doesn't make you a better hero than the one who almost single-handedly stopped the Blight. You failed to stop Anders and you failed to kill Corypheus, so what makes Varric or Cassandra think you'll be any help stopping this war or defeating Corypheus? Get out of here!"

 

 

The answer is easy. Varric and Cassandra are smart enough to recognize the sheer awesomeness in Hawke.

 

While the Warden may (or may not) be dead and the Ex-quisitor failed miserably at stopping Mr. Psycho Solas, the Bold, and his/her super glowing anchor is gone (together with his/her arm) and no matter what, the political and military power of the Inquisition is gone as well, it is for Super Awesome Hawke to save the world next time. Yahooooo!!!! Yeah!!!!

 

 

[leaguer of one]

They're boring.

then stop picking the top option for Hawke.

[vertigomez]

Welp, my Inquisitor would totally go for Hawke... but then they'd have to deal with jealous elves on both sides and that's no fun for anybody.

[nightscrawl]

then stop picking the top option for Hawke.

 

I like my diplomatic nice girl. That said, I try to also pick the charming (purple gem), or direct (red gavel) options if they are appropriate. Those can give some nice variation without also coming off like an insensitive ass or a raging lunatic.

[AnimalBoy]

So sick of the nonsensical hate for Hawke. Give me a break. I would never choose to kill any of my lead characters, but if i had to, it would never be Hawke. I would literally sacrifice anyone over Hawke.

[Dai Grepher]

They're saving it for DA5. That's the game in which we will get to play as every protag from the first four games all at once.

[AnimalBoy]

On the flip side of that coin, why isn't there a dialogue option to be rude or dismissive to Hawke? My Inquisitor thinks Hawke is an overrated failure whose many "adventures" involve being a glorified errand boy/girl for one small city at best, a failure who failed to prevent (and, in fact, indirectly helped start) the world's mess at worst.

 

 Your Inquisitor must be a pretty big jerk then. 

[ESTAQ99]

 Your Inquisitor must be a pretty big jerk then. 

 

For someone to be a jerk, that person needs to have, at least, some degree of personality. The Ex-quisitor has none, so not even being a jerk is an option for Ex-quizy.

[ThePhoenixKing]

For someone to be a jerk, that person needs to have, at least, some degree of personality. The Ex-quisitor has none, so not even being a jerk is an option for Ex-quizy.

 

Too true.

 

Here's the thing about Hawke in Inquisition: while I'll be willing to concede that, at the end of the day, Bioware had to choose a default personality and characterization for her for the sake of simplicity if nothing else, did they really have to go with "moralizing whiner"? The Hawke who clawed her way out of the gutters of Lowtown, who dared tempt the wrath of the darkspawn for the sake of her family's survival, who brought down blood mages and High Dragons and mercenaries and demons and Templars and undead and noblemen and even fought the Arishok himself... that Hawke, the Champion of Kirkwall, the character worth playing and who I actually wanted to see again, that person was missing. Her presence in Inquisition was a complete waste, and it's frustrating to see that everything she did in the second game basically amount to nothing.

 

And yes, I know that some people might see that as an interesting deconstruction of the Hero's Journey/Bioware's doing something different/etc. Still doesn't make it any less lousy, though.

[Dai Grepher]

I was able to see how DA2 turned out before hand, so I have always been able to see Hawke as BioWare's character. Playing Hawke in DA2 is like playing Leliana in Leliana's Song. I agree that it's lousy, but I think this is due to something called lazy. BioWare knows the Hero resulted in multiple ending world states and multiple choices and personalities to account for. So they funneled all possible Hawkes into pretty much the same ending with almost none of the choices meaning anything significant. Then in Inquisition, it's narrowed down to live or die, and if she lives then she resigns as Viscount. Again, I saw that coming too, as I got the impression that she never wanted that much responsibility (Sebastian talks her into it), and she shows this when talking to the Inquisitor about how people count on them. But again, this is BioWare trimming the branches tighter than a bonsai tree. Why? Too lazy to make content for multiple diverging paths and different play styles.

[GoldenGail3]

... Why isn't there a dialogue option to get her autograph? My character is a big fan of Hawke but the interaction was rather dry and all about business. We talk about Hawke's deeds more with Varric than with Hawke. Hawke romance would have blown my mind; I've never heard of a RPG where your character can romance another one of your own character.

A Hawke Romance? No! NOO! Isabela would murder my Male Hawke; he'd know it, and flee somewhere. My Quiz was like "Okay. Hawke......"

[GoldenGail3]

Since I don't care much for DA2, sacrificing Hawke means nothing to me.

Well, at least Revan is worth playing. Revan is a fricken..... Force User so there that.

I dislike Hawke though (besides for Humourous Hawke: you all makes a note of that, and suck it up; I like something about DA2)

[GoldenGail3]

On the flip side of that coin, why isn't there a dialogue option to be rude or dismissive to Hawke? My Inquisitor thinks Hawke is an overrated failure whose many "adventures" involve being a glorified errand boy/girl for one small city at best, a failure who failed to prevent (and, in fact, indirectly helped start) the world's mess at worst.
 
Yet everyone constantly acts like Hawke is this great, accomplished, unparalleled hero, and even the Inquisitor has to speak deferentially to him/her, and I'm just thinking, "One duel with one Arishok doesn't make you a better hero than the one who almost single-handedly stopped the Blight. You failed to stop Anders and you failed to kill Corypheus, so what makes Varric or Cassandra think you'll be any help stopping this war or defeating Corypheus? Get out of here!"

I love this post. It just explains my disliking of Hawke prefectly. (:

[Orian Tabris]

Stroud is the one who always stays for me.

 

Also, there is no way I'd want to romance any of the custom made Hawkes in DAI. All those dudes end up so ugly looking and look nothing like my DA2 Hawkes no matter how hard I try to get them to look right. Poor Anders is going to be so upset when he sees Hawke again after I've had to try to recreate him for DAI.   

 

Love conquers all.

 

Oh, suuure. That's why Anders wouldn't listen to anything his lover said to him, just because she sided with the templars (his own fault), thus forcing her to Assassinate "conquer" him.

 

Spoiler

*expression of exhaustion and ever so slight amusement*

[Dieb]

So who else dislikes the character they dislike more than their favourite character and has an opinion about it?

 

 

I liked Hawke, but I sacrificed him because I thought it made for a better story. It sounds like we might run into Stroud, Loghain, or Alistair, or Hawke at Weisshaupt in a future game, and IMO it makes much more sense for a Warden to be sorting out whatever went wrong there, than Hawke. Also, I liked Stroud. 

 

I liked Hawke and agree.

 

He/she deserved a heroes death, if only tied with "I randomly leave for something foggy like a slacker I could easily use Thedosian postal service for, after going on and on about how this is my arch nemesis to deal with".

[KaiserShep]

Hmmm, Hawkemance. I rather liked how my Hawke came out of Inquisition's CC. If the option existed, I'd go for it. It's not like the character is me anyways.

Anyhoo, nuts to Hawke's hero sacrifice. It was the Wardens' fault any of this was happening anyway.