A what, now? There are no kossith around.
My mistake. I meant Qunari. I was under the impression that Qunari could refer to either the race or to followers of the Qun, whatever their race. I forgot that the Qunari refer to those of other races who follow the Qun as Viddathari, so I was using the term kossith to refer to Sten.
For me it depends on context and on how I imagine my characters and their background.
Even among the Dalish, there are those who are not hostiles to humans - like Keeper Marethari - so my main Dalish Warden didn't hate them, but he didn't like them and didn't trust them at first. He got better but the culture shock was big and everything was a bit strange to him.
He got along very well with Morrigan for that reason and romanced her, bonding on how strange the whole human world was.
He also worked better with Sten, Zevran, Oghren and for some reason Wynne.
He had a very bad start with Leliana but at the end he kind of considers her a friend. Probably.
He accepted to join the Grey Wardens because he was Dalish and Keeper Marethari told him that the Grey Wardens and the Dalish were allies, so off he went and did his best because of it. He tried to be honorable and reasonable and all that stuff.
He also doesn't think that there is a good reason for letting monsters destroy a village so he saved Redcliffe. And he killed Connor for the same reason.
I only played a couple of City Elves and Dalish out to the end of the game, but my Surana was my favorite Warden, who saw repeated playthroughs (with varied choices). I like playing them cocky, a bit 'in your grill'--my City elf told Cailan she got conscripted because she killed the noble who raped her cousin--but out and out hate? Nah. In the end, hating only hurts the haters. She dealt with everyone as individuals, giving people the benefit of the doubt, human or elf or dwarf. None of the Dalish I made killed the humans at the start of their origin.
Leliana (because of her unconscious racism) gets educated with a bit of tough love. Vaughan and his cronies got slaughtered like the pigs they are. Redcliffe was a village of innocents under siege by something magical (something my Surana felt pity for them for) and my elves went to bat for them. Because of her experiences, my CE was a bit prejudiced against nobles, not humans, but Teagan was an alright sort and kind of changed her mind about them. If it had been Isolde asking, she may have given a different answer. But probably not.
I could see a Dalish or CE having issues with humans because one has a long tradition of troubles with humans, the other has been put down and held down for centuries by humans. Mages have a different kind of feel to them to me, and Neria loved being free of the circle too much to worry about hating on humans.
Leliana (because of her unconscious racism) gets educated with a bit of tough love. Vaughan and his cronies got slaughtered like the pigs they are. Redcliffe was a village of innocents under siege by something magical (something my Surana felt pity for them for) and my elves went to bat for them. Because of her experiences, my CE was a bit prejudiced against nobles, not humans, but Teagan was an alright sort and kind of changed her mind about them. If it had been Isolde asking, she may have given a different answer. But probably not.
Teagan and Ser Perth both helped my CE and Dalish realize that not all humans in positions of authority are out to get elves. Isolde gets the snarky treatment. (which I headcanon that my M!Surana ended up apologizing for, using the excuse that he had been up for 24 hours straight by that point and wasn't at his best. My Tabris and Mahariel, on the other hand...)
I only played a couple of City Elves and Dalish out to the end of the game, but my Surana was my favorite Warden, who saw repeated playthroughs (with varied choices). I like playing them cocky, a bit 'in your grill'--my City elf told Cailan she got conscripted because she killed the noble who raped her cousin--but out and out hate? Nah. In the end, hating only hurts the haters. She dealt with everyone as individuals, giving people the benefit of the doubt, human or elf or dwarf. None of the Dalish I made killed the humans at the start of their origin.
Leliana (because of her unconscious racism) gets educated with a bit of tough love. Vaughan and his cronies got slaughtered like the pigs they are. Redcliffe was a village of innocents under siege by something magical (something my Surana felt pity for them for) and my elves went to bat for them. Because of her experiences, my CE was a bit prejudiced against nobles, not humans, but Teagan was an alright sort and kind of changed her mind about them. If it had been Isolde asking, she may have given a different answer. But probably not.
I could see a Dalish or CE having issues with humans because one has a long tradition of troubles with humans, the other has been put down and held down for centuries by humans. Mages have a different kind of feel to them to me, and Neria loved being free of the circle too much to worry about hating on humans.
Truer words haven't been spoken. I've seen a different line that says "Hatred is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die".
That said, it isn't possible to overlook the kind of enviroment where one was raised. There also is something peculiar about it: City elves have more reason to hate humans but they don't spend a lot of time dwelling on it like the Dalish. And the latter deal with humans less often, but are taught that they're the enemy from an young age.
I think it also depends on the clan. Mahariel's dad was supposed to be one who reached out...even though he got killed by some (although I kind of wonder what kind of humans did it). Marethari seems a little iffy, but open enough. Velanna's clan didn't seem to like her poison. But the one in Masked Empire seemed pretty insular.
I grew up with racism myself. But there was enough to balance it out. And I like Martin Luther King Jr. over the Black Panthers, personally. And Professor X over Magneto 
There is no need to take it to Velanna's level of stubborn anger, but that will be there to some extent.
The enviroment you grow up in is a relevant factor, and the Dalish Warden is raised among people that bear a grudge against humans. You can even see Hahren Paivel telling the children about how mankind took everything from them.
Likewise, City Elves are powerless to ever fight back against the endless abuses their people suffers as they have no rights.
Now, there is an instance where your character's feelings towards humans are challenged the most.
Was your Mahariel/Tabris willing or even tempted to leave the people of Redcliffe to their fate? After all, it is true that no one would rush to rescue a group of elves if the situation were reversed.
A very interesting question.
Well, for my "canon" Warden (Sagramor Tabris, City Elf Warrior), he had been taught at an early age to be tolerant of people of other races/classes/religions/etc, even though he knows that few people are going to be as considerate towards him and his own folk. Moreover, he's keenly aware that, at the end of the day, the moral responsibility for his choices falls to him: right or wrong, he has to own what he does. He's also aware that he's not just representing the Wardens in his adventures, he's also representing the elven people, so for their sake, he's going to put his best foot forward and show the world the potential of those they would otherwise dismiss as worthless (think a high fantasy version of the Tuskegee Airmen).
Finally, there's the issue of pride, of a stubborn unwillingness to bend his greater principles based on the actions of others. Why should he give up his sense of honour and compassion because some humans are stupid bigots? Why should he lower himself to the level of those men who curse his people on sight? Why should he allow the deeds of a few racists to compromise who he is?
So, yeah, he'll stand in defense of Redcliffe, and all of Ferelden, even in the face of anti-elven prejudice. Indeed, in my Origins novelization The Grey Path (hint hint, nudge nudge, here's the link: https://www.fanficti...1/The-Grey-Path
), he actually discusses this with Morrigan a bit:
“They will not accept you for this. You understand this, correct?” Morrigan’s words halted the Warden mid-stride, and he turned back to the beautiful sorceress, her amber eyes glancing pointedly at the militia. “The people of this place, they will not suddenly become loyal to the Wardens or the elves merely because you fight for them.”
“Perhaps not,” Sagramor permitted, recalling how the heroic deeds of the Night Elves like his grandfather were largely ignored after the end of the Rebellion. As cynical an outlook at it was, the apostate did have a point. “I’m certain that no matter what I do, there will be some eager to belittle the Order’s accomplishments, or hate my people regardless.”
“Then why do this? Why risk your life for those who will not appreciate your efforts?”
“Because it’s the right thing to do.”
Morrigan gave a disbelieving scoff. “That’s not an answer, Warden.”
Flipping up his hood, the Warden turned away. “Yes, Morrigan, it really is.”
A very interesting question.
Well, for my "canon" Warden (Sagramor Tabris, City Elf Warrior), he had been taught at an early age to be tolerant of people of other races/classes/religions/etc, even though he knows that few people are going to be as considerate towards him and his own folk. Moreover, he's keenly aware that, at the end of the day, the moral responsibility for his choices falls to him: right or wrong, he has to own what he does. He's also aware that he's not just representing the Wardens in his adventures, he's also representing the elven people, so for their sake, he's going to put his best foot forward and show the world the potential of those they would otherwise dismiss as worthless (think a high fantasy version of the Tuskegee Airmen).
Finally, there's the issue of pride, of a stubborn unwillingness to bend his greater principles based on the actions of others. Why should he give up his sense of honour and compassion because some humans are stupid bigots? Why should he lower himself to the level of those men who curse his people on sight? Why should he allow the deeds of a few racists to compromise who he is?
So, yeah, he'll stand in defense of Redcliffe, and all of Ferelden, even in the face of anti-elven prejudice. Indeed, in my Origins novelization The Grey Path (hint hint, nudge nudge, here's the link: https://www.fanficti...1/The-Grey-Path
Male City Elf.. kudos, good sir.
I've warmed up to it lately... but I had a preference for the female for a long time.
Male City Elf.. kudos, good sir.
I've warmed up to it lately... but I had a preference for the female for a long time.
Why, thank you (hope you enjoyed the little snippet of the fic too). I can see why lots of people go for Female City Elf: breaking yourself out of the palace is even more badass than breaking in.
Why, thank you (hope you enjoyed the little snippet of the fic too). I can see why lots of people go for Female City Elf: breaking yourself out of the palace is even more badass than breaking in.
Yeah, but I kind of like the little scene where you get to talk to Duncan.. about steeling yourself. It seems like you could roleplay your elf as more nervous. I also don't recall him talking to my female about Garahel. But I could be wrong.
Yeah, but I kind of like the little scene where you get to talk to Duncan.. about steeling yourself. It seems like you could roleplay your elf as more nervous. I also don't recall him talking to my female about Garahel. But I could be wrong.
Think you have to specifically ask him about Elven Wardens when you're at the Alienage, if I'm not mistaken. And I'll take your advice into consideration, thank you.
Think you have to specifically ask him about Elven Wardens when you're at the Alienage, if I'm not mistaken. And I'll take your advice into consideration, thank you.
Uh.. what advice? If you mean steeling yourself, I didn't mean it as advice or anything. It's just kind of a different intensity when you're male and the crowd is forming outside. I like them both.
Uh.. what advice?
Lol, I'm a dumb-dumb But yes, I see your point now, thank you. You're correct, it is a different flavour of intensity, though both are very gripping.
A very interesting question.
Well, for my "canon" Warden (Sagramor Tabris, City Elf Warrior), he had been taught at an early age to be tolerant of people of other races/classes/religions/etc, even though he knows that few people are going to be as considerate towards him and his own folk. Moreover, he's keenly aware that, at the end of the day, the moral responsibility for his choices falls to him: right or wrong, he has to own what he does. He's also aware that he's not just representing the Wardens in his adventures, he's also representing the elven people, so for their sake, he's going to put his best foot forward and show the world the potential of those they would otherwise dismiss as worthless (think a high fantasy version of the Tuskegee Airmen).
Finally, there's the issue of pride, of a stubborn unwillingness to bend his greater principles based on the actions of others. Why should he give up his sense of honour and compassion because some humans are stupid bigots? Why should he lower himself to the level of those men who curse his people on sight? Why should he allow the deeds of a few racists to compromise who he is?
So, yeah, he'll stand in defense of Redcliffe, and all of Ferelden, even in the face of anti-elven prejudice. Indeed, in my Origins novelization The Grey Path (hint hint, nudge nudge, here's the link: https://www.fanficti...1/The-Grey-Path
And once again I'm amazed, though maybe I shouldn't be, at how much my M!Surana has in common with other people's elven Wardens. Mine has a triple role - he represents elves, mages and Grey Wardens, and he's very much aware that few people beyond his immediate circle of friends and comrades are ever going to see beyond that. He tries to avoid bending his principles and making judgments based on emotion, but there are times... like with Jowan, and dealing with Flemeth, and the Landsmeet, and talking Alistair into first marrying Anora and then doing the DR... that he's always going to regret his choices.
I could see a Dalish or CE having issues with humans because one has a long tradition of troubles with humans, the other has been put down and held down for centuries by humans. Mages have a different kind of feel to them to me, and Neria loved being free of the circle too much to worry about hating on humans.
That's fair, although my mage elves have difficulty forgetting that the Circle is a human institution run by a human religion.
Sorry to keep harping on this, but elves and humans historically had their own religious and cultural views of magic, but then humans took the elven homeland (twice) and forced their human religion on them the second time. Now city elves are subject to to the Andrastian view of magic and method of dealing with mages, yet they never actually benefit from it. Despite being forcibly converted, DAO implies and DAI confirms that elves aren't allowed to join the Chantry. Despite mage city elves getting dragged off to the Circle, non-magic elves can't become Templars. (I think someone--Sebastian?--tells Fenris in DA2 something like, "You'd make a great Templar, if they allowed elves.")
I don't know. One of the reasons I love playing a Mage Elf is exploring colliding racial and cultural views of magic. I just see so many people talk about the Circle and mage/Templar conflict like it's this universal, race-neutral thing, but I don't think it is. The Circle is a human system, run by a human religion, enforced by human priests and Templars. Elves have historically been forced to convert and live under Andrastian rule, but in that system they're always the ones being ruled over, never the ones ruling others. They have to show up to church and pay tithes, but they can't join the priesthood. If discovered to have magic, they have to live in the Circle as prisoners, but if non-magic they're never allowed to be in the Circle as Templars.
I'm not saying a mage elf has to stew over it or hate humans for it (like your mage elf, my Surana was just so happy to be free of the Circle she didn't have much energy to stew on hate), but, I don't know... it's something to at least keep in mind.
That said, it isn't possible to overlook the kind of enviroment where one was raised. There also is something peculiar about it: City elves have more reason to hate humans but they don't spend a lot of time dwelling on it like the Dalish. And the latter deal with humans less often, but are taught that they're the enemy from an young age.
Bolded: I think you hit the nail on the head there.
As for the disparity between reasons to hate humans and dwelling on it between city elves and Dalish: Yeah, I noticed it too. But then it occurred to me that city elves who dwell or act on their hatred of humans too much are probably killed (like the City Elf's mother) or "culled" in a purge of the alienage, so those that're left tend to create a culture of fear or complacency so they don't get killed. City elves don't dwell on their hate to avoid trouble... but Dalish don't get punished for talking smack about humans, so they can stew on it way longer and rile themselves up without consequence.
Yeah, but I kind of like the little scene where you get to talk to Duncan.. about steeling yourself. It seems like you could roleplay your elf as more nervous. I also don't recall him talking to my female about Garahel. But I could be wrong.
The Garahel conversation is hard to trigger. I think he can mention it to an Elven Warden of any background (city, Circle, or Dalish), but you have to be the one to initiate the conversation with him. I think you ask about the Grey Wardens, then eventually (if certain conditions are met) you can see the option to ask him if there are any elven Grey Wardens. He'll mention there aren't as much as there should be, but there are, and will mention the historical Garahel.
If memory serves, he only volunteers the information about Garahel if you're Dalish, as he'll say words to the effect of, "Did you know the one who slayed the Archdemon in the last Blight was Dalish too?"
I don't know. One of the reasons I love playing a Mage Elf is exploring colliding racial and cultural views of magic. I just see so many people talk about the Circle and mage/Templar conflict like it's this universal, race-neutral thing, but I don't think it is. The Circle is a human system, run by a human religion, enforced by human priests and Templars. Elves have historically been forced to convert and live under Andrastian rule, but in that system they're always the ones being ruled over, never the ones ruling others. They have to show up to church and pay tithes, but they can't join the priesthood. If discovered to have magic, they have to live in the Circle as prisoners, but if non-magic they're never allowed to be in the Circle as Templars.
I'm not saying a mage elf has to stew over it or hate humans for it (like your mage elf, my Surana was just so happy to be free of the Circle she didn't have much energy to stew on hate), but, I don't know... it's something to at least keep in mind.
While I agree - it's unfair and it makes no sense that they can't join the priesthood or became Templars, and the Chantry doesn't help them, which is why I'm not surprised in the slightest when elves join the Qun - most city elves consider themselves Andrastian and the whole Mage/Templar thing is an issue regarding the Chantry.
There is surely someone who hates the Circle and the Chantry because they consider them an human institution, but there is also someone who hates them because they think that it goes against the Maker's will.
I can see why an elven mage may consider the Circle a preferable choice over living as an elf outside the Circle, but a human mage could feel the same, even if for different reasons. It all boils down to what each mage wants, which is why the whole thing is a mess in the first place.
If memory serves, he only volunteers the information about Garahel if you're Dalish, as he'll say words to the effect of, "Did you know the one who slayed the Archdemon in the last Blight was Dalish too?"
In all of the years I've played, I never ran across that line on a Dalish.
I tend to dislike Duncan though.. I never seem to pick friendly options there. I don't remember when it popped up for the City Elf.. it was fairly easy on a mage though.
While I agree - it's unfair and it makes no sense that they can't join the priesthood or became Templars, and the Chantry doesn't help them, which is why I'm not surprised in the slightest when elves join the Qun - most city elves consider themselves Andrastian and the whole Mage/Templar thing is an issue regarding the Chantry.
There is surely someone who hates the Circle and the Chantry because they consider them an human institution, but there is also someone who hates them because they think that it goes against the Maker's will.
I can see why an elven mage may consider the Circle a preferable choice over living as an elf outside the Circle, but a human mage could feel the same, even if for different reasons. It all boils down to what each mage wants, which is why the whole thing is a mess in the first place.
Good thing Leli is my Divine now.. this problem will be instantly solved. And offers a good counter to the Qun, you're right.
The few elves I bother to play are cool with humans, at least eventually.
That's pretty much it for me too. "Eventually".
The most vindictive one is at least cool with Morrigan as well.
While I agree - it's unfair and it makes no sense that they can't join the priesthood or became Templars, and the Chantry doesn't help them, which is why I'm not surprised in the slightest when elves join the Qun - most city elves consider themselves Andrastian and the whole Mage/Templar thing is an issue regarding the Chantry.
There is surely someone who hates the Circle and the Chantry because they consider them an human institution, but there is also someone who hates them because they think that it goes against the Maker's will.
Maybe, but then again most city elves aren't very well educated in history. Makes sense since this is a pseudo-medieval setting, and in the middle ages the only literate and educated people were the clergy, and occasionally the nobility; everyone else depended on them to know what was going on. And considering the Chantry's penchant for rewriting history, especially omitting elven and mage heroes from the history books (like Shartan) or giving them a race/magic lift (like Ameridan), it makes sense that non-magic Andrastian humans always come off in the best light possible light for the average, barely educated Andrastian citizen... Especially to average city elves who only ever hear stories about how great Andraste and other human heroes are, but don't even know of any elven heroes to emulate. (As seen in the City Elf Origin.)
By contrast, in the Circle (where most Andrastian mages spend their entire lives) there's literally nothing to do but read books and study history, magic, and religious rhetoric all day. Since Tevinter appropriated most ancient elven knowledge, and a great deal of Andrastian mages' magic education stems from Chantry-approved Tevinter stuff, Finn from Witch Hunt is able to piece together more information on the Eluvians than Adriane the Dalish warrior, just based on all the books he found in the Circle library. That's why I imagine the Mage Elf has read more about their people's history than the other two origins (since city elves aren't very well-educated and Dalish elves mostly rely on oral tradition), so that's why I think they're less likely to buy into the blind pro-Chantry propaganda than the average city elves.
Not to mention most Chantry officials justify mage oppression by saying, "If we gave them too much freedom, they'd make another Tevinter." But a mage elf who's educated in known history and knows their people had a different place in human history might say, "Yeah, and my people were slaves to Tevinter regardless of magical ability. When you overthrew Tevinter you flipped the tables so non-magic humans now had power while mage humans were oppressed, but thanks to the Exalted March against the Dales my people just went from bowing to Tevinter human magisters to bowing to Andrastian human nobility and clergy. The human social hierarchy changed, but we're still at the bottom."
I also think it's funny that people often say, "I can see the Mage Warden being cynical of the Chantry because Chantry rhetoric demonizes magic, since believing what they say about mages means believing the awful things they say about you personally", but then say, "No, I don't see a Circle Mage Elf being cynical of the Chantry because Chantry rhetoric demonizes elven stuff." What? Why does one make sense, but not the other?
I can see why an elven mage may consider the Circle a preferable choice over living as an elf outside the Circle, but a human mage could feel the same, even if for different reasons. It all boils down to what each mage wants, which is why the whole thing is a mess in the first place.
Yes, but that life is not forced on a human non-mage the way it is forced on an elven non-mage. That's part of why I think an elven mage would view it differently from a human mage.
I'm not saying mage elves have to hate humans too, but I'm surprised by how many people in-universe and out act like mage elves' complaints against the Circle and Chantry would only be the exact same complaints as the human mages. That the mage/Templar conflict is this purely secular, universal, "magic vs. non-magic" conflict with no racial or cultural lines, and I just don't think that's the case. The Chantry is a human religion designed by and for non-magic humans, and the Circle is an institution created and run by Chantry humans. Elves have their own historical and cultural views of magic that have been suppressed and demonized by humans, and elves have a history of conquer and subjugation by humans. And prejudice against elves exists in literally every other facet of human society outside the Circle, and no one's born in the Circle (they were all raised in the human society outside and are brought in, either as children or adults, and thus bring their worldviews inside with them), so I don't see it being this magic protected bubble where all race prejudice is kept out.
An Andrastian human mage might say, "You [Templars] oppress me just on account of my magic," but I think, if you wanted to play your elven mage that way, an elven mage has enough cause to say, "This is just another way your people oppress my people."
In all of the years I've played, I never ran across that line on a Dalish.
I tend to dislike Duncan though.. I never seem to pick friendly options there. I don't remember when it popped up for the City Elf.. it was fairly easy on a mage though.
Well, there's your answer.
Well, there's your answer.
It's just fun to dislike him on the Dalish though. I got into that.. It's probably what shapes my opinion of Alistair as well.
But like I said, I grew out of that stage later, and ultimately the Warden sacrificed himself.
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By contrast, in the Circle (where most Andrastian mages spend their entire lives) there's literally nothing to do but read books and study history, magic, and religious rhetoric all day. Since Tevinter appropriated most ancient elven knowledge, and a great deal of Andrastian mages' magic education stems from Chantry-approved Tevinter stuff, Finn from Witch Hunt is able to piece together more information on the Eluvians than Adriane the Dalish warrior, just based on all the books he found in the Circle library. That's why I imagine the Mage Elf has read more about their people's history than the other two origins (since city elves aren't very well-educated and Dalish elves mostly rely on oral tradition), so that's why I think they're less likely to buy into the blind pro-Chantry propaganda than the average city elves.
Not to mention most Chantry officials justify mage oppression by saying, "If we gave them too much freedom, they'd make another Tevinter." But a mage elf who's educated in known history and knows their people had a different place in human history might say, "Yeah, and my people were slaves to Tevinter regardless of magical ability. When you overthrew Tevinter you flipped the tables so non-magic humans now had power while mage humans were oppressed, but thanks to the Exalted March against the Dales my people just went from bowing to Tevinter human magisters to bowing to Andrastian human nobility and clergy. The human social hierarchy changed, but we're still at the bottom."
I also think it's funny that people often say, "I can see the Mage Warden being cynical of the Chantry because Chantry rhetoric demonizes magic, since believing what they say about mages means believing the awful things they say about you personally", but then say, "No, I don't see a Circle Mage Elf being cynical of the Chantry because Chantry rhetoric demonizes elven stuff." What? Why does one make sense, but not the other?
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This is why my M!Surana ended up being so cynical of the Chantry's teachings in general by game's end. It got to the point that while he still believes blood magic is wrong, he's starting to question the Chantry's definition of it as being overbroad. Were it up to him, he would argue that only spells that are actively powered by blood should qualify as blood magic, and that other types of spells (such as the one Finn uses to locate the Lights of Arlathan), while they may be related to blood magic, do not in and of themselves truly qualify as such. He views spells like that as being akin to the Joining or the templars' use of phylacteries.
However, he definitely views the Circle as a refuge, and an institution worth preserving, and one of the reasons he can now barely stand Morrigan is because she wanted to blindly condemn any surviving mages at Kinloch Hold to death at the hands of the templars. If he has any say in the matter, Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine will be a refuge for the moderates in the mage-templar war and for those displaced by the conflict, mage or non-mage. (One of the very few reasons he agreed to accept the title of Arl of Amaranthine is that it puts him in a position to change things for the elves of the arling and change public perception of both mages and elves... as much as that's possible in one Grey Warden's lifetime, anyway.)
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This is why my M!Surana ended up being so cynical of the Chantry's teachings in general by game's end. It got to the point that while he still believes blood magic is wrong, he's starting to question the Chantry's definition of it as being overbroad. Were it up to him, he would argue that only spells that are actively powered by blood should qualify as blood magic, and that other types of spells (such as the one Finn uses to locate the Lights of Arlathan), while they may be related to blood magic, do not in and of themselves truly qualify as such. He views spells like that as being akin to the Joining or the templars' use of phylacteries.
However, he definitely views the Circle as a refuge, and an institution worth preserving, and one of the reasons he can now barely stand Morrigan is because she wanted to blindly condemn any surviving mages at Kinloch Hold to death at the hands of the templars. If he has any say in the matter, Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine will be a refuge for the moderates in the mage-templar war and for those displaced by the conflict, mage or non-mage. (One of the very few reasons he agreed to accept the title of Arl of Amaranthine is that it puts him in a position to change things for the elves of the arling and change public perception of both mages and elves... as much as that's possible in one Grey Warden's lifetime, anyway.)
I'm not even sure the Chantry condemns stuff like Finn does. The Templars use phylacteries, after all.
It's the demonology aspect that's the problem. Whether the "original" story where the Old Gods taught it doesn't matter, but it seems to involve demons often to this day. And even removing all the teaching here, I always thought it would suck to be a mage and have one foot in the Fade at all times. And if you attract Spirits and Demons, it's much worse. I think Last Flight finally illustrated that well. The best kind of mage would be the one who isn't very interesting to them. But blood gives an automatic reason for them to be interested. It's a bridge of sorts.
My 2c
Hate ? Don't really see the point of that. No, my canon is a Surana and he was cocky and cynical, especially towards Humans. Naturally, he romanced Morrigan.
Hate ? Don't really see the point of that. No, my canon is a Surana and he was cocky and cynical, especially towards Humans. Naturally, he romanced Morrigan.
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