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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

My city elf doesn't hate humans, really. He did follow Morrigan into the eluvian, after all. But he takes every chance he can get, to be a champion for elven rights. As a result, he requested to become the first elven bann... although, I suppose his "term" only lasted for a year or two before he decided to search for his love.

[Qun00]

How do your elven Wardens feel about the idea of rebellion?

I'm just asking because that line from the blood mage you can spare/kill in Broken Circle might resonate with your character somehow.

"When Andraste freed the slaves from Imperium, she did so with an army. She didn't send them a strongly worded letter."

[straykat]

How do your elven Wardens feel about the idea of rebellion?

I'm just asking because that line from the blood mage you can spare/kill in Broken Circle might resonate with your character somehow.

"When Andraste freed the slaves from Imperium, she did so with an army. She didn't send them a strongly worded letter."

 

I feel like they'll get smashed. It's not very smart. And they already failed before. And fail repeatedly in Tevinter, according to Fenris.

 

At best, I could be rebellious on a criminal or individual level. Or joining the Qunari.. which I won't do.

[Qun00]

Perhaps. But if the elves had the means to do it, would s/he support the idea?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Ideally, mine would prefer to have city elves integrate into human society with full rights, while still retaining elven cultural traditions from the alienages. Instead of open war, though, he'd attempt to use a combination of his political pull and nonviolent methods, like MLK speeches.

[Ghost Gal]

How do your elven Wardens feel about the idea of rebellion?

I'm just asking because that line from the blood mage you can spare/kill in Broken Circle might resonate with your character somehow.

"When Andraste freed the slaves from Imperium, she did so with an army. She didn't send them a strongly worded letter."

 

That's a really good question.

 

Dalish Elf: Probably. She doesn't think of much besides hunting and traps, but she likes the freedom to occasionally go out and do what she loves, and knowing humans try to impose on her family means she'd fight for their right to do what they want as well.

 

Mage Elf: Um... I can't see her jumping into it since Uldred's followers just made it worse for the Circle, and she's read a long extensive history of elves rebelling, failing, then getting cracked down by humans more. Then again, she becomes a very powerful (and cocky) mage toward the end, so... if she thought there was a chance to win, I think she'd take it. (Much like how Zevran found a chance to rebel against the Crows and took it.)

 

City Elf: She probably wouldn't support a rebellion. It helps that she's lived through a lifetime of guards responding to elven riots with purges, and then learned about how humans responded to elven isolationism (she thinks the attack against Red Crossing is just Chantry propaganda) with invasion, conquer, and re-subjugation. She believes that, like it or not, humans are the most numerous and powerful race in Thedas. What they give, they can take away; and they've never hesitated to take away before.

 

She actually thinks the Dalish's goal of a completely isolationist elven nation is unrealistic since humans will always be around, as neighbors if not as masters. If they ****** humans off enough, there won't be any home of their own to be neighbors to humans with. She'd rather focus on changing humans' minds about elves so they'll be seen as equals and allies rather than inferiors and servants, and try to compromise and co-exist that way.

 

My Lavellan: Crowned Briala. 'Nuff said. Trespasser spoiler:

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She would have joined Solas if he didn't add the "my plan will probably destroy the world as we know it" clause. EVEN THEN, she would probably agree to help him if he let her try to brainstorm ways they can help elves and/or restore what they lost without hurting other races. "Why does this world have to die for elves to come back?" His pride and stubbornness and refusal to even consider that there might be another way is what drove them apart, not an ideological opposition to restoration. Even though she's technically fighting him and her kind, she sympathizes with their cause, just can't agree with their methods.

[GoldenGail3]

My Quiz, Artemis Lavellan loves humans. He's got a thing for human woman, although if he were a companion he'd be up for all races of woman. He's the worst First ever.... Although his first lover was a Elven woman. It's not surprising he romanced Cassandra....

My Male Dalish Elf (DAO) is okay about humans; you will not catch him dissing on humans unless they do somethings to deserve it. He's also sort of like Artemis in the fact he likes human woman (I don't know why; my Male Elves like the same thing) he romanced Leliana and is dead somewhere.

My Female City Elf (DAO) isn't fond of humans, although she did end up romancing Alistair, which made her loosen up on that belief considerably.

My Female Surana (DAO) is fine about humans. She's okay with them and even ended up kissing Alistair (due to her crush of Cullen which was left unrequited, so she had to get her awkward Templar somewhere else) she ended up with Zevran though.

[GoldenGail3]

How do your elven Wardens feel about the idea of rebellion?
I'm just asking because that line from the blood mage you can spare/kill in Broken Circle might resonate with your character somehow.
"When Andraste freed the slaves from Imperium, she did so with an army. She didn't send them a strongly worded letter."

Surana "Why woukd we rebel in the first place? We must have a viable reason to do so, otherwise it's pathetic upon once self to get a lot of people killed for no reason or for a nonsensical reason."

Lavellan (I don't care if it's DAI....); "Hmmm... How about no?"

Tabris; "Unless humans do something that is shite to us; I'm gonna say it's not worth getting my kinsman killed over."

Mahriel: No commentary.

[Nixou]

You can also play an elven mage who lives in the Circle Tower. They have the least reason to hate humans specifically. So if you're looking to play a less "efly" elf, similar to Zevran and Fenris, Surana's backstory is the way to go.

 

 

I also went with Surana for my worldstate: Dragon Age 2 was so mage-centric that a Mage Hawke always felt like it was the "correct" choice, but I didn't want to have a single dynasty being at the center of too many events, to I selected the elf.

 

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If you talk to Duncan before leading him to his room, he can comment on your elven heritage, and ask if you've been treated any differently for being an elf. While you can respond that you haven't been treated differently, you can also comment that you've been bullied a little, or that you've been bullied a lot.

 

 

And then there's the option to conclude with "I want to be feared", implying that your Mage-Warden craves the bully's stick.

 

I've never created a mage elf who wasn't aware that even if she didn't have magic, she'd still be treated poorly and unfairly out there. "Yeah, that's great for you, Jowan/Anders. If you just didn't have magic, you could settle down in a farm and get married and be treated like an average guy. If I didn't have magic, I'd have to go live in poverty and second-class citizenry in the alienage, and get treated like a servant at best, vermin at worst."

 

 

Same for me: my worldstate's Warden was keenly aware that she was born with the strength to pretty much beat into submission anyone, that otherwise she would have been little more than cattle/fucktoy at the mercy of the nobility's whims, and she utterly relished the dread she inspired (think Vivienne, except nastier: Cole wouldn't like to read this mind)

Which creates several cases of accidental comedy in Inquisition when virtually everyone adores the Hero of Ferelden: apparently slaying a large ghoulified dragon is enough to make people forget how nasty a personality you have.

 

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This isn't generally a problem for me, because I usually headcanon that my elf mages were taken at a young age and that their being mentored by the First Enchanter gave them some measure of protection against overt anti-elf prejudice.

 

 

I wouldn't call it headcanon, since the game keeps repeating that you character is a prodigy whose status as Irving's pet pupil is well known within the Circle.

 

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Zevran: "Surely you enjoy it a little?"

Warden: *thinks back to the time they got the drop on some bandits and "sprung their own trap for a change" and wiped them out*

Warden: "Yeah, sometimes it can be satisfying."

 

 

For me it would have been more:

Zevran: "Surely you enjoy it a little?"

Worldstate Warden: "No, I enjoy it A Lot, the difference is that I get to chose my preys"

Unfortunately, I don't think the game gives you the unrepentant bully's line here.

 

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Nice, my Surana spared him for a similar reason. Torn from her family, forced to live in a human Circle guarded by human Templars following the human religion, she felt disconnected from her people and culture

 

 

Mine was motivated by hubris: "I beat him and slaughtered his accomplices once, I'll beat him again if he tries to backstab me"

Zev wisely decided to stay on his new borderline sociopathic boss' good side

 

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How do your elven Wardens feel about the idea of rebellion?

 

I'm just asking because that line from the blood mage you can spare/kill in Broken Circle might resonate with your character somehow. 

 

"When Andraste freed the slaves from Imperium, she did so with an army. She didn't send them a strongly worded letter." 

 

 

My first Elven Warden would oppose elven rebellion on the ground that Elves alone have few chances of succeeding and use Andraste's coalition of human and elvish as the template to follow.

 

My worldstate Warden, on the other hand, would flip the tables in Awakening, and basically proclaim "People who mistreat Elves on my domain are rebelling against me, and will face the consequences"

 

At least until she got a hint about a way to cancel the deleterious effects of the Joining and expend her lifespan and left the Arling she had sworn to protect without even a look back.

[Dabrikishaw]

The last time I played a Dalish Elf, I left Redcliffe to the zombies and sided with Kolgrim to pollute Andraste's Ashes. I also picked anti-human comments mostly from the start to the end of the game. I

[springacres]

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My first Elven Warden would oppose elven rebellion on the ground that Elves alone have few chances of succeeding and use Andraste's coalition of human and elvish as the template to follow.

 

My worldstate Warden, on the other hand, would flip the tables in Awakening, and basically proclaim "People who mistreat Elves on my domain are rebelling against me, and will face the consequences"

 

At least until she got a hint about a way to cancel the deleterious effects of the Joining and expend her lifespan and left the Arling she had sworn to protect without even a look back.

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Your Surana would have mine flipping the tables on HER, because he thinks that's a great way to confirm every bad thing the humans have ever said about elves, mages or Grey Wardens.  Officially, he punishes those who mistreat elves the same way he does those who mistreat other humans.  Unofficially... repeat offenders have developed labor problems or been subjected to sudden and dramatic increases in taxation.

[GoldenGail3]

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Your Surana would have mine flipping the tables on HER, because he thinks that's a great way to confirm every bad thing the humans have ever said about elves, mages or Grey Wardens.  Officially, he punishes those who mistreat elves the same way he does those who mistreat others humans.  Unofficially... repeat offenders have developed labor problems or been subjected to sudden and dramatic increases in taxation.

This explains my Surana's feeling on that. Wow our Surana's would get along (my Amell is more domanting in anti blood magic though. She hates it so much, she doesn't get along with Morrigan becuase of it) Although my Surana is anti Blood; she's a Spirt Healer and was raised on a farm in Lothering so she's lived a decent life so far, but she's seen her dad use blood magic before and knows the danger of what it Initials but pefers to read books over then actually doing something about it .

My Amell however... Has lived less of a sheltered life, as a child she lived in Kirkwall, and saw innocent people like her own mother killed by blood mages, she was only six years old and used as a blood Mage sarfice. She only surived becuase her magic kicked in and she ended up killing them all and running to the nearest Templar who was kind to her and comforted her in her hysteria she was feeling, she did look up to Templars after that moment forward. She did end up romancing Alistair which isn't surpising.

[Illegitimus]

My city elf doesn't hate humans.  She hates nobles.  That's why in Denerim she accepts the challenge from the knight.  The other non-human nobles just lie to him to get him to go away, but the city elf isn't going to pass up a chance to kill another noble.  She steals from any human who is rude to her or another elf, but she wants to create as many vacancies as she can in upper echelons of the kingdom.  

[Qis]

One thing about this game is, don't want to involves in human problems means being evil...that is why it is so hard to play an Elf who resent human without being a bad evil character and i feel **** for it

[Nixou]

Your Surana would have mine flipping the tables on HER, because he thinks that's a great way to confirm every bad thing the humans have ever said about elves, mages or Grey Wardens

 

 

Oh, I'm sure of that: in terms of gameplay and narrative, the tale of the Mage-Warden veers so much toward the blunt, transparent power-fantasy that to balance things up I ended up making my main Warden as unsympathetic as a my completionist playstyle allowed.

[Ghost Gal]

One thing about this game is, don't want to involves in human problems means being evil...that is why it is so hard to play an Elf who resent human without being a bad evil character and i feel **** for it

 

It's possible to help people with their problems but still be kind of a jerk to them, invoking the whole "Jerk with a Heart of Gold" trope.

 

It's also possible to be nice to humans but secretly not be fond of them, since we have silent protagonists this game and thus can imagine whatever tone of voice or internal reaction we want.

 

It's pretty much also a fact that most Thedas elves get a hard knock from humans, so depending on your character's background s/he doesn't have to be "bad evil" for acknowledging this and/or not being particularly fond of human society for it.

 

Thankfully many characters over the game make comments about elves, either intentionally nasty (like Vaughan and Howe), or well-meaning but problematic (like Daveth, Jory, Kester, Leliana), so your character can show that s/he dislikes racism against elves, and/or is not too happy with human society's socially accepted default attitude against elves, without being all, "RAH! RAH! HATE HUMANS!" like Velanna.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Vaughn's voice actor was great. I wanted to beat the crap out of him, lol.