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It's easy. Just start being a bigot and hating white people, especially men like their employees. Call anyone that does not like their game a bigot. Grats. You should have Bioware employees hanging out with you on twitter in no time. Watching Bioware atm is like watching a train wreck. They created their own hell though.

https://www.youtube....h?v=q_GpLgAw7D8


Are you drunk?
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Are you drunk?

 

Think you should be asking Bioware that and their employees. Unless you think hiring racists who run their mouths on twitter and insult most of the people whom bought their ME games is a good idea. 

 

Bioware better hope the Tumblr crowd starts playing video games, and starts buying CE editions and DLC. Spoiler. They wont. Most do not even have jobs. They sit on twitter/tumblr 24/7 and can barely afford their hair dye while begging for patreon money.... 



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Eh, the last train went up in a pacifist cumbustion and peacfully burned to a harmonic crisp .

 

I don't know.



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>ending sucked

Well according to others on here the leaked script had a different and better ending.

 

LOL like hell it was.



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LOL like hell it was.

 

Would have been better than the ending we got. It was basically the idea of Star Trek NG, where the hyperdrives were ruining the fabric of the universe, it could potentially unravel and they had to limit it from that point on and biotics and mass effect fields or whatever were ruining the universe so the reapers were monitoring it.

 

In ME 2 we even had Tali with the star on Haestrom. I think that was going to be a part of Drew Karypshyn's original plot. 

 

Would people have loved it? The sci-fi crowd would have. Others would not. At least that would have a kind of logic behind it all and it could have ended with an agreement to monitor biotics/fields or whatever with the reapers enforcing that monitoring as a "happy ending". Who knows.  



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Would have been better than the ending we got. It was basically the idea of Star Trek NG, where the hyperdrives were ruining the fabric of the universe, it could potentially unravel and they had to limit it from that point on and biotics and mass effect fields or whatever were ruining the universe so the reapers were monitoring it.

 

In ME 2 we even had Tali with the star on Haestrom. I think that was going to be a part of Drew Karypshyn's original plot. 

 

Would people have loved it? The sci-fi crowd would have. Others would not. At least that would have a kind of logic behind it all and it could have ended with an agreement to monitor biotics/fields or whatever with the reapers enforcing that monitoring as a "happy ending". Who knows.  

 

Which would've rendered pretty much the entire trilogy pointless, as we spent all those hours fighting against the Reapers. And the ending would've more or less left us (and Shepard) feeling stupid.



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Oh good it's going to be one of these threads now
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Then you really shouldn't be surprised when the journalists call people out for being a dick then? What goes around does come around by that logic, first off.
 
In my experience what you ask for is not even the truth of the matter; what the majority of people want is not just entertainment or facts in some form; they want to be vindicated for being right- hence the polarized news cycle to begin with in all forms of media; the pundits en-masse by the likes of Sterling, Kuchera, Kain, and youtube entertainers like Vargas and Bain.
 
Journalism is not a service in that way- my goal when I write or editorialize is to inform and educate, sometimes simultaneously, so you can make decisions on things you see and read- a public service for truth and ideals. If you don't like what you see and read, there is little I can do about that of course, but what people define as helpful or informative is too subjective in it's own right in the end to be of any use; facts are facts, stubborn and infallible like that- popular opinion is meaningless to good journalism in that way as it only gets in the way of the facts, especially if it's contrary to the truth.
 
Editorials and critic pieces like reviews are a different beast all together, and some of what you say is all true on that aspect of journalism. Bare news, however, I would argue you are off-base. 
 
And I also wasn't talking about journalists being the only ones legitimizing it, I mean companies too like EA and Activision working their asses off to make the hobby fun. The rebellious "we don't need approval" attitude is all well and good, just don't be shocked when say congress blames you for the next mass shooting, along with ten other things perceived as the "problem" because of how outsiders look at it. All sides, consumers, developers, publishers, and journalists, should be on the same page for that, but they aren't because of distrust, cynicism or just plain rebelliousness. 
 
Like it or not, their opinion is kind of important in the end to the mediums growth. Long-term acceptance and all of that, something the likes of comic books finally achieved in the past 20 years after 50 or so under the comic code authority and having psychiatrists saying batman turns people gay.
 
 I think we can do better in the long run through that.


I fail to see how the fact that I find highly subjective, stuck up, opinionated and disconnected journalism unappealing makes me a dick.

Do I want to be right? Well, obviously, but not necessarily as a rule, I can agree to disagree, or even *le gasp* admit that I'm wrong. (sometimes...)

 

A journalist that thinks similarly to how I think, has an added value to me because at least to some degree, I know that I can trust his recommendations.

That is more important to me than petty vindication.

 

I am not your friend, and I don't come to read gaming media to be educated, I either find your opinion useful / entertaining, or I don't.

 

Example: I watch John Bain's (TotalBiscuit) youtube channel semi-regularly. Do I agree with everything he says? Not even close.

But I do like the fact that he tends to wear his biases on his sleeve without trying to be too underhanded about them,

I also find his personality and method somewhat entertaining, finally I found his channel to be informative on subjects that interest me.

Logic is something I can respect, even if my own brings me to a slightly different conclusion.

 

My point is, this is not a negotiation between me and you about what is the percentage of crap I am willing to swallow with the kind of entertainment / info I want.

 

But rather, this is me telling you that for me, you and your kind's work is for the most part unappealing, uninteresting, and mildly offensive.(and therefore irrelevant and ineffectual for the most part)

 

I understand that some gaming media websites has begun to lose some of their spunk and fighting spirit after seeing a sharp decline in interest and views (they certainly became more polite about their opinions).

 

That's good. I don't have to settle for a preachy journalist or a website that tries to "educate" me about their personal opinions, I merely have to wait for someone else. There is always someone else. The laws of supply and demand are on my side.

 

I am just one consumer that do not even live in the US. Worrying about the US congress and public opinions is pointless for me.

I prefer putting my trust in market forces (which will not allow a potentially lucrative market to dry up / be completely blocked by politicians) than in

a few try hard journalists, the idea that you guys are the last line of defense for video games is laughable, especially considering the dubious integrity

of gaming media in general.


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I fail to see how the fact that I find highly subjective, stuck up, opinionated and disconnected journalism unappealing makes me a dick.

Do I want to be right? Well, obviously, but not necessarily as a rule, I can agree to disagree, or even *le gasp* admit that I'm wrong. (sometimes...)

 

A journalist that thinks similarly to how I think, has an added value to me because at least to some degree, I know that I can trust his recommendations.

That is more important to me than petty vindication.

 

I am not your friend, and I don't come to read gaming media to be educated, I either find your opinion useful / entertaining, or I don't.

 

Example: I watch John Bain's (TotalBiscuit) youtube channel semi-regularly. Do I agree with everything he says? Not even close.

But I do like the fact that he tends to wear his biases on his sleeve without trying to be too underhanded about them,

I also find his personality and method somewhat entertaining, finally I found his channel to be informative on subjects that interest me.

Logic is something I can respect, even if my own brings me to a slightly different conclusion.

 

My point is, this is not a negotiation between me and you about what is the percentage of crap I am willing to swallow with the kind of entertainment / info I want.

 

But rather, this is me telling you that for me, you and your kind's work is for the most part unappealing, uninteresting, and mildly offensive.(and therefore irrelevant and ineffectual for the most part)

 

I understand that some gaming media websites has begun to lose some of their spunk and fighting spirit after seeing a sharp decline in interest and views (they certainly became more polite about their opinions).

 

That's good. I don't have to settle for a preachy journalist or a website that tries to "educate" me about their personal opinions, I merely have to wait for someone else. There is always someone else. The laws of supply and demand are on my side.

 

I am just one consumer that do not even live in the US. Worrying about the US congress and public opinions is pointless for me.

I prefer putting my trust in market forces (which will not allow a potentially lucrative market to dry up / be completely blocked by politicians) than in

a few try hard journalists, the idea that you guys are the last line of defense for video games is laughable, especially considering the dubious integrity

of gaming media in general.

 

I think you misunderstand the point: good journalism is not a opinion.

 

What you keep describing is punditry, not fact. The facts are where you are educated and informed. It is not the personal opinions of the author that is being preached; it is the story at bare value. 

 

An example that is relevant to this thread somewhat: My write-up on N7-Day. There is nothing but facts with evidence backing it up. Now whether you like how it's written or not is really insignificant to me, the point is this is informing and educating at the same time, making you informed of what N7 was all about and what news regarding Mass Effect: Andromeda there was. This is what journalism should be.

 

Another example, an article I did on the 3DS Youtube Hack, this was a story that was updated as new information was added two days after it was published. We got mail saying this was not piracy in any way by a bunch of people who were complaining about the title. But all the research we had was pointing to how it is a backdoor through emulation. So we added a small section on that as well for clarification as to why we said piracy is possible. 

 

I guess I am boasting here a bit, for that I apologize, but this is what good journalism should be in the end. I don't really give a damn about the bias that Bain or Kain or anyone else has when it seeps into news stories; it makes them terrible news stories. When it comes to reviews and editorials it's different- this is where I think we're talking over each other because everything you are saying is about editorialization through opinions.

 

That is what a review and editorial can do; and even then their goal is to educate and inform while giving opinions. Not the news though- hence why opinions and bias in the news is a bad thing. 


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I think you misunderstand the point: good journalism is not a opinion.

 

What you keep describing is punditry, not fact. The facts are where you are educated and informed. It is not the personal opinions of the author that is being preached; it is the story at bare value. 

 

An example that is relevant to this thread somewhat: My write-up on N7-Day. There is nothing but facts with evidence backing it up. Now whether you like how it's written or not is really insignificant to me, the point is this is informing and educating at the same time, making you informed of what N7 was all about and what news regarding Mass Effect: Andromeda there was. This is what journalism should be.

 

Another example, an article I did on the 3DS Youtube Hack, this was a story that was updated as new information was added two days after it was published. We got mail saying this was not piracy in any way by a bunch of people who were complaining about the title. But all the research we had was pointing to how it is a backdoor through emulation. So we added a small section on that as well for clarification as to why we said piracy is possible. 

 

I guess I am boasting here a bit, for that I apologize, but this is what good journalism should be in the end. I don't really give a damn about the bias that Bain or Kain or anyone else has when it seeps into news stories; it makes them terrible news stories. When it comes to reviews and editorials it's different- this is where I think we're talking over each other because everything you are saying is about editorialization through opinions.

 

That is what a review and editorial can do; and even then their goal is to educate and inform while giving opinions. Not the news though- hence why opinions and bias in the news is a bad thing. 

 

 

It says something about the quality of your skills as a "journalist" (or lack thereof) that you are the one patting yourself on the back.

 

I read both of your examples, they are both dry like sand and make for excellent sleeping aids, the first reads like a PR article for Bioware (only it's too dry to even be that), and the second is about an issue that is probably more interesting to corporate suits than the average consumer of games.

(the possibility to hack region lock on a hand held gaming device? I'm bouncing with excitement... yawn)

 

Both articles are similar in at least one way, they cater more to the companies in question than to the needs and interests of the average consumer of games.

 

Needles to say that I didn't see any "educational" value in this dry pile of drivel, but I'm sure that this is my fault,

due to the fact that I am sadly not as enlightened as you.

 

This whole thing is just typical of the problem I've described initially: Here you are, a supposed "journalist" full of hubris and wounded pride with an inflated sense of self righteousness, waving two extremely dry articles, that the only good thing I can say about them is that they were free from grammatical errors, and calling them "education".

 

I don't know what the problem is, maybe you are too young, maybe you are too old, or maybe whoever told you that you are very good at writing simply exaggerated a little.

 

The fact that those same articles seem to serve more the interests of the corporations in question, just highlights again the problematic relationship between many "gaming journalists" and corporations in this industry.

 

Calling this "good journalism" would have been funny if it was not so fracking sad.

 

 

Whatever you are selling, I'm not buying. No matter what you call it.



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It says something about the quality of your skills as a "journalist" (or lack thereof) that you are the one patting yourself on the back.

 

I read both of your examples, they are both dry like sand and make for excellent sleeping aids, the first reads like a PR article for Bioware (only it's too dry to even be that), and the second is about an issue that is probably more interesting to corporate suits than the average consumer of games.

(the possibility to hack region lock on a hand held gaming device? I'm bouncing with excitement... yawn)

 

Both articles are similar in at least one way, they cater more to the companies in question than to the needs and interests of the average consumer of games.

 

Needles to say that I didn't see any "educational" value in this dry pile of drivel, but I'm sure that this is my fault,

due to the fact that I am sadly not as enlightened as you.

 

This whole thing is just typical of the problem I've described initially: Here you are, a supposed "journalist" full of hubris and wounded pride with an inflated sense of self righteousness, waving two extremely dry articles, that the only good thing I can say about them is that they were free from grammatical errors, and calling them "education".

 

I don't know what the problem is, maybe you are too young, maybe you are too old, or maybe whoever told you that you are very good at writing simply exaggerated a little.

 

The fact that those same articles seem to serve more the interests of the corporations in question, just highlights again the problematic relationship between many "gaming journalists" and corporations in this industry.

 

Calling this "good journalism" would have been funny if it was not so fracking sad.

 

 

Whatever you are selling, I'm not buying. No matter what you call it.

 

 

And this is where you are wrong. See, I am beholden to no one, other than the truth when I am writing news. 

 

If it's dry, well I can always get better at it then through practice to make it more snazzy if need be, I can respect that complaint. If there is some inherent hubris on how I portray myself, then fine; i'm confident that i'm better at this than some journalists writing out there in how I do things. If it makes me enlightened or whatever, it's certainly not how I feel in the end but fine, that's a criticism I guess I need to work on so I don't portray it as such. 

 

But serving the interests of corporations, now you're just simply wrong. Or arrogant, take your pick I guess.

 

The point is to inform and showcase to the general gaming public what they need to know about something- they needed to know the details about the Youtube Hacks if they were looking for it. They needed to know about the N7 Day stuff. I've done articles of all stripes regarding bugged games and financial reports- and the point of them all is to inform the people so they aren't ignorant of the truth. Will they always like what they are reading, no, but thats not the point of news, in the end. 

 

I also need to tell you, a lot of people actually give a damn about emulation and region-locked consoles, so just based upon observations of what segments of the gaming community participates in emulation and preservation, you are incorrect there in terms of "corporate interests" regarding what gamers want to know about. Maybe not you personally, but then that story is not for you then, now is it? It's a non-story that deserves no time while you focus on whatever you care about. I showcased them to show the point of simple news; non-opinion, objectively-focused on the fact of the matter, not a pundit puff piece that bolsters the profile of someone with inflated egos. 

 

Then again, I guess I care too much in thinking that everyone is willing to listen or learn something new in the end. That is the teacher in me talking now on that one I guess, or my own pride showing as well since I work my ass off all the time to make sure everything is copacetic. 

 

But whatever, you follow who you want, I will still be here anyway doing my thing. The loss of a lone voice on the internet nay-saying through ad-hominem's because they feel I am "enlightened" or something like that is really ineffectual to me in the end. Hell, maybe you can do better? Were always open for more contributors of course. Otherwise, I will keep on showing the truth for those who wish to read it.


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@LinksOcarina

 

If I was a "lone voice on the internet" the Force of the Butthurt wouldn't be so strong in you, would it?

 

I simply find much of the time the usual fare in "traditional-gaming-media" either uninteresting, preachy, not accurate,

biased without bothering to be open about said bias, and with other "qualities" that leave me with no interest in this type of media.

 

I know for a fact that there are many other people who feel more or less the same, at least to some degree.

 

And that's okay. I'm not starting a Jihad on gaming media. I'm fine with mostly going my own way and not encountering all this.

 

That said, I reserve the right to have a chuckle or two and call BS when someone extols the virtues of traditional gaming-journalists in general,

and their renowned integrity and incorruptibility in particular.



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You're the one getting all emotional and sounding butthurt, give it a rest already, I'll bet OP is wishing they never started this thread, why does someone have to come along and wreck every damn thread on BSN with complaints and negativity? Jesus christ.
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Hello everyone :)

 

It was not my intend to stoke these kinds of discussions.

It was excited to share my love for Mass Effect, and i wanted to include the awesome community with it.

The way this thread turned around saddens me a bit. We should enjoy our Mass Effect experience together.

Ofcourse there is always some things that hold us back or annoy us, but thats part of life :)

Focus on improvement, and learn from each other ^_^

 

I wish all of you a happy 2016! :)


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Hello everyone :)

 

It was not my intend to stoke these kinds of discussions.

It was excited to share my love for Mass Effect, and i wanted to include the awesome community with it.

The way this thread turned around saddens me a bit. We should enjoy our Mass Effect experience together.

Ofcourse there is always some things that hold us back or annoy us, but thats part of life :)

Focus on improvement, and learn from each other ^_^

 

I wish all of you a happy 2016! :)

you are too kind for this place, turn back now and spare yourself from this hell hole


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you are too kind for this place, turn back now and spare yourself from this hell hole

My love for Mass Effect is too great :)

Remember everyone who doubted Sheppard, but because of his positivity and perseverence, he stopped the reaper threat ^_^

 

Am i losing myself? :P


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Sure, let's do this for a whole year.

Actually....

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you are too kind for this place, turn back now and spare yourself from this hell hole

 

Truer words have never been spoken

 

 

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you are too kind for this place, turn back now and spare yourself from this hell hole

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