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[ArcadiaGrey]

I try to avoid spoilers as much as I can, and also do my best to refrain from looking up in the wiki what will happen if I do this or that when confronted with a tough decision.

I got into the Dragon Age and Mass Effect universes about a year ago, when EA gave DA:O for free. The good thing about this is that up until then, I hadn't payed much attention to BioWare's games (I know, I know, I'm still amazed I had survived that long without them haha), so I was completely oblivious as to what was it all about. As the noob I was, and even when I hadn't been spoiled much, I looked up some important moments, so, although the plot twists and new characters still blew my mind, there's stuff I wish I hadn't looked up beforehand.

Also, and greatfully, I didn't find out about this forum until around June this year, when I had already played DA:O, DA 2, and the entire ME trilogy, so I didn't have any preconceived ideas.

It's been different with DAI, as I'm still in my first playthrough and here I am, in the forums, where I've already encountered a few spoilers, even when I do my best to avoid them.

So, after all this rambling, yes, I agree with all the points described in the first post.

 

Hah, it was the same for me!  No clue about DA (but I heard the shitstorm overhead when ME3 came out).  I hadn't played any Bioware games at all and then Origin sent out a free copy of DA:O to celebrate Inquisition coming out.  And I fell down the Bioware rabbit hole.

 

Unfortunately I found the wiki and this forum early on and couldn't help researching things.  Too many things.  So the few times I was surprised by something are precious to me cause they're not as common as I'd like.  

 

One that stands out is, in ME3 ...

Spoiler

...accidently saving Mordin's life. I had no idea it was difficult and that most of the time he died. I played a Shep with 100% conviction that the Genophage was the right thing to do, so I made all the decisions I thought he'd make (without researching what I should or shouldn't click online first). When all those strands came together in ME3 and Mordin lived, I was happy. Then when I looked it up and saw how fiddly it was I was super pleased I'd managed it without peeking. And also that Bioware had created a scenario over 3 games where the only way you can save him is to support him from day one. Not some silly dialogue option or picking something up 3 games ago, but actual well written plot points that make sense. The fact that I unknowingly did it purely by supporting Mordin and his work is testament to that.

 

Now I'm rambling too....

[sjsharp2011]

my basic rule always for my first run through any game is not worry about getting top scores or anything but just learning the basics of the game. Once I've figured out the basics then try to expand on it.

[Felya87]

Since I was burned with ME3, I've made myself the rule to not preorder anymore any ME game, and not buy the collection edition.

I'll buy the game only after some friends I know will have tested it, expecially how it end. With ME3, since they finished the game before me (I have this little problem that is called work that slow me down...) and they advised me the end was horrible. I finished the game thinking they were exaggerating. it was actually worse.

 

So as much as I would not go into spoiler, since buy a game who's out from little time is expensive, I have to protect my investiment, and buy only when I have reviews from my sources that I would not end up like with ME3, were I play only until a certain mission, than shut the PS3 because I can't stand how the trilogy end.

 

Sad, but I prefer spoilers than waste money.

[Heathen Oxman]

My new rules for the new Bioware game(s).

 

1. Do not go to the midnight release.  Being the only girl in what is otherwise a complete sausage-fest, while getting gawked at as if you're the first female creature they've ever seen, is unnerving.

 

2. Not to bother responding to the inevitable flood of mouth-breathers who flood the forum after the release to whine about gay/trans/female characters.

 

3. Work, school, and personal hygiene come BEFORE non-stop playing.

 

4. Don't get so drunk while playing that I don't remember the best parts.

 

5. Remember to eat something (not Doritos).

 

That's all I got.

[ArcadiaGrey]

My new rules for the new Bioware game(s).

 

1. Do not go to the midnight release.  Being the only girl in what is otherwise a complete sausage-fest, while getting gawked at as if you're the first female creature they've ever seen, is unnerving.

 

2. Not to bother responding to the inevitable flood of mouth-breathers who flood the forum after the release to whine about gay/trans/female characters.

 

3. Work, school, and personal hygiene come BEFORE non-stop playing.

 

4. Don't get so drunk while playing that I don't remember the best parts.

 

5. Remember to eat something (not Doritos).

 

That's all I got.

 

Hehe, nice.  I've never been to a midnight release of a game (or anything) but I can imagine I'd feel super uncomfortable too. 

Numbers 2 thru 5 - seconded.      

...though for me it's popcorn.  Number one rule, don't take snacks to gaming sessions.   They will have disappeared by the end, while I have no knowledge whatsoever of what could have happened to them 

[Iakus]

No preorder.  At all.

 

Spoil myself for ALL THE THINGS!  I could have spoiled myself on ME3's ending.  But chose not to, to my sorrow.  I won't make that mistake again.  Sad that it had to come to that.

[Vrases]

Hah, it was the same for me!  No clue about DA (but I heard the shitstorm overhead when ME3 came out).  I hadn't played any Bioware games at all and then Origin sent out a free copy of DA:O to celebrate Inquisition coming out.  And I fell down the Bioware rabbit hole.
 
Unfortunately I found the wiki and this forum early on and couldn't help researching things.  Too many things.  So the few times I was surprised by something are precious to me cause they're not as common as I'd like.  
 
One that stands out is, in ME3 ...

Spoiler

...accidently saving Mordin's life. I had no idea it was difficult and that most of the time he died. I played a Shep with 100% conviction that the Genophage was the right thing to do, so I made all the decisions I thought he'd make (without researching what I should or shouldn't click online first). When all those strands came together in ME3 and Mordin lived, I was happy. Then when I looked it up and saw how fiddly it was I was super pleased I'd managed it without peeking. And also that Bioware had created a scenario over 3 games where the only way you can save him is to support him from day one. Not some silly dialogue option or picking something up 3 games ago, but actual well written plot points that make sense. The fact that I unknowingly did it purely by supporting Mordin and his work is testament to that.

 
Now I'm rambling too....

I also heard all the commotion with ME3 ending. Couldn't understand why anyone would be so annoyed and angry with a game and a company, so didn't pay much attention to it until I got DAO, loved it and decided to give the ME trilogy a try.

I'll keep the rambling...

Spoiler

about Mordin. At first, as a Shepard who thought the genophage should be stopped at some point, I didn't like Mordin much at first regarding that aspect. However, as I spent more and more time having him in my crew, I saw how awesome he was. At the Suicide Mission I didn't want anyone dying on me, and I wish I hadn't used the internet to help me a bit with that.

And in ME3, when Mordin died, I felt so bad, even knowing I had cured the genophage, something my Shepard had pursued for long.

So, all in all, I'll do my best to not use the forums/wiki to help me with the new MEA and to avoid any spoilers. Too many moments from the trilogy would have been better if they had been a surprise.

I won't have any problems regarding friends spoiling it to me, non of my real life ones play ME, so I won't have to be wary on that aspect.

And, finally, no youtube watching and no review reading

[AlanC9]

My big rule is to not pay attention to any forum chatter unless it comes from someone whose taste and judgement I respect, which is a fairly short list. I got burned on DA2 by paying too much attention to the criticisms.

Other than that, no spoilers, to the extent I can manage it. Just play the character and see what hapoens. And play on Normal the first time through; having to replay a boss fight a few times because I don't know what I'm doing really breaks up the narrative.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I also heard all the commotion with ME3 ending. Couldn't understand why anyone would be so annoyed and angry with a game and a company, so didn't pay much attention to it until I got DAO, loved it and decided to give the ME trilogy a try.

I'll keep the rambling...

Spoiler

about Mordin. At first, as a Shepard who thought the genophage should be stopped at some point, I didn't like Mordin much at first regarding that aspect. However, as I spent more and more time having him in my crew, I saw how awesome he was. At the Suicide Mission I didn't want anyone dying on me, and I wish I hadn't used the internet to help me a bit with that.

And in ME3, when Mordin died, I felt so bad, even knowing I had cured the genophage, something my Shepard had pursued for long.

So, all in all, I'll do my best to not use the forums/wiki to help me with the new MEA and to avoid any spoilers. Too many moments from the trilogy would have been better if they had been a surprise.

I won't have any problems regarding friends spoiling it to me, non of my real life ones play ME, so I won't have to be wary on that aspect.

And, finally, no youtube watching and no review reading

 

Ah, a fellow rambler.  Welcome. 

My 2 Sheps so far both

Spoiler

fake the genophage cure. That's what I'd do irl as the Krogan are way too dangerous to be able to breed at full capacity. It's funny to me that other people disagree so much on that point as it seems obvious, but then they probably think I'm an evil ****** so yeah, there's that lol.

Just about to start again, and this time round I'll be curing it. But my favourite Scientist Salarian won't die cause he'll already have been nuked in the SM.  Should be interesting.

 

 

You're not alone, no one in my life knows anything about Bioware, or even gaming for that matter.  They think playing Professor Layton makes them gamers.   So when I asked for the DA Library Edition and World of Thedas for Christmas they happily bought them for me, but gave me some strange 'wtf is that' looks.  

[ArcadiaGrey]

My big rule is to not pay attention to any forum chatter unless it comes from someone whose taste and judgement I respect, which is a fairly short list. I got burned on DA2 by paying too much attention to the criticisms.

Other than that, no spoilers, to the extent I can manage it. Just play the character and see what hapoens. And play on Normal the first time through; having to replay a boss fight a few times because I don't know what I'm doing really breaks up the narrative.

 

I've heard from a few ppl that they've had a game ruined before they even finished it due to all the hate.  That's why I try so hard to form my own opinion and let it set solid before I start reading it.  Not always possible tho, unless you live in a cave. 

[AlanC9]

It's been different with DAI, as I'm still in my first playthrough and here I am, in the forums, where I've already encountered a few spoilers, even when I do my best to avoid them.

What got spoiled for you? I was in something of the same boat -- I didn't get to DAI until the demo came out and I discovered that my poor old Dell c521 would actually run it..

[agonis]

I´m willing to be entertained, which is why I do not care for the criticism, the rage and the shitstorms.

 

I will try to avoid spoilers this time. But I don´t think I will manage. I use the forum to relax and wonder about humanity, so it will be hard to avoid spoilers.

[Vrases]

Ah, a fellow rambler. Welcome.
My 2 Sheps so far both

Spoiler

fake the genophage cure. That's what I'd do irl as the Krogan are way too dangerous to be able to breed at full capacity. It's funny to me that other people disagree so much on that point as it seems obvious, but then they probably think I'm an evil ****** so yeah, there's that lol.
Just about to start again, and this time round I'll be curing it. But my favourite Scientist Salarian won't die cause he'll already have been nuked in the SM. Should be interesting.

You're not alone, no one in my life knows anything about Bioware, or even gaming for that matter. They think playing Professor Layton makes them gamers. So when I asked for the DA Library Edition and World of Thedas for Christmas they happily bought them for me, but gave me some strange 'wtf is that' looks.

I think we are going a bit off topic regarding what you told and asked in the initial post, but rambling feels so good haha

Spoiler

So far I've only made one playthrough of the ME trilogy, so I'll probably try to save Mordin in the next one.

Even though I liked saving the Krogan, I perfectly know it was a huge gamble. What if they start breeding like crazy and end up starting a retaliation war? I guess Wrex and Grunt had a lot to do with my Shepard's decision haha. I understand why you would fake the cure, as it is, in my eyes, a very logical thing to do in times of (galactic) war.

About the real life friends, they are gamers, but are not interested at all in ME and DA. Even when I ramble a lot about how awesome they are, they just go with "yeah, yeah, we know". Still trying to convince them though.

I'm saving some money to buy those two books you said, can't wait to have them.

Regarding some answers by other people, i have to say that the amount of hate I found towards DA 2 when I actually read stuff surprised me quite a lot. I actually liked the game, and if I had read about it beforehand, I'm sure I would not have enjoyed it that much.

[Vrases]

What got spoiled for you? I was in something of the same boat -- I didn't get to DAI until the demo came out and I discovered that my poor old Dell c521 would actually run it..

They weren't big spoilers about the main plot line, but stuff regarding character's missions, this one dying at some point,

Spoiler

that one being the son of a witch of the wilds and a hero grey warden

... You know, the usual minor stuff that I would have avoided if I hadn't entered these forums haha

[ArcadiaGrey]

I think we are going a bit off topic regarding what you told and asked in the initial post, but rambling feels so good haha

Spoiler

So far I've only made one playthrough of the ME trilogy, so I'll probably try to save Mordin in the next one.

Even though I liked saving the Krogan, I perfectly know it was a huge gamble. What if they start breeding like crazy and end up starting a retaliation war? I guess Wrex and Grunt had a lot to do with my Shepard's decision haha. I understand why you would fake the cure, as it is, in my eyes, a very logical thing to do in times of (galactic) war.

About the real life friends, they are gamers, but are not interested at all in ME and DA. Even when I ramble a lot about how awesome they are, they just go with "yeah, yeah, we know". Still trying to convince them though.

I'm saving some money to buy those two books you said, can't wait to have them.

Regarding some answers by other people, i have to say that the amount of hate I found towards DA 2 when I actually read stuff surprised me quite a lot. I actually liked the game, and if I had read about it beforehand, I'm sure I would not have enjoyed it that much.

 

Yeah you're right *slapped wrists*.

 

That's exactly the point.  You can't help but let some of that criticism seep in your brain and colour your idea of the game when you play.  I remember seeing a video on YT nitpicking ME3...or was is ME2... I quit watching pretty quick, but one of the things that stayed with me was Shep's animation for unholstering a gun.  No matter which one of the 4 you chose, she/he always did the same movement over the shoulder, even if you're using the one on the lower back.

 

I had never noticed that before.  But after that video, guess what I couldn't stop seeing?

[Vrases]

Yeah you're right *slapped wrists*.
 
That's exactly the point.  You can't help but let some of that criticism seep in your brain and colour your idea of the game when you play.  I remember seeing a video on YT nitpicking ME3...or was is ME2... I quit watching pretty quick, but one of the things that stayed with me was Shep's animation for unholstering a gun.  No matter which one of the 4 you chose, she/he always did the same movement over the shoulder, even if you're using the one on the lower back.
 
I had never noticed that before.  But after that video, guess what I couldn't stop seeing?

And now I won't be able to unsee it... I hadn't realized that, and now it will stay with me forever ;_;

Stuff I read about ME were how the ending/s sucked, what a plain character Jacob was or how to solve a particular problem. I would have realized (or not) all that by myself, but having read about it conditioned how I played.

[ArcadiaGrey]

And now I won't be able to unsee it... I hadn't realized that, and now it will stay with me forever ;_;

Stuff I read about ME were how the ending/s sucked, what a plain character Jacob was or how to solve a particular problem. I would have realized (or not) all that by myself, but having read about it conditioned how I played.

 

Oh no, I spread the plague!  I'm so sorry...I didn't realise...forgive me... *voice trails off sheepishly*

[Vrases]

Oh no, I spread the plague!  I'm so sorry...I didn't realise...forgive me... *voice trails off sheepishly*

You have joined the enemy, can't believe we lost you so soon D:

However, now that we are at it, what other stuff influenced you when playing the ME series? I know there are few things worse than the unhosltering animation, but I'm sure you will come up with something haha

[ArcadiaGrey]

You have joined the enemy, can't believe we lost you so soon D:

However, now that we are at it, what other stuff influenced you when playing the ME series? I know there are few things worse than the unhosltering animation, but I'm sure you will come up with something haha

 

Yeah, I'm Cerberus now.  

 

I expected a terrible ending, and got one that I was actually okay with.  I freaking hate Synthesis, but overall I thought it was alright.  I'd like something different of course.  I would have had a simple 'the reapers die no matter what.  It's just how, and what you're prepared to sacrifice to do it, that comes in 3 different flavours'.

 

The amount of times I read this about ME2...I've honestly lost count and the thing was I wasn't even looking for it.  

Spoiler

Liara becomes the Shadow Broker

 Learning that in ME1 seems like crazy talk, but nope, it happens, and I knew 3 weeks ago cause I couldn't keep away from the damn forums. /facepalm.

 

I remember just before ME3 a recommended YT vid popped up on the sidebar called 

Spoiler

Garrus shoots Ashley

 Bloody hell, how am I supposed to avoid that?  The amount of DAI vids with titles in huge letters, saying things like 

Spoiler

Cassandra becomes Divine

or, the latest one that spoiled me for Trespasser was 

Spoiler

Iron Bull's Betrayal

 

Now I say 'not interested' for everyone of those buggers in the hope YT gets the hint.

 

I then manipulated the SM, ending up with 3 runs to get everyone to live after reading how to do it.  Maybe I should have played it and lived with the consequences.  However those were that Tali died purely because I didn't yet have enough renegade points to tell Tali's judges to go f themselves, so had to wait till after the SM to do it.

 

Honestly I wasn't too influenced with ME, it's DA that I ruined for myself by second guessing far too many choices.  I knew too much, sometimes my own fault for researching, other times an accident like a reference in a seemingly okay forum thread.

[Vrases]

Yeah, I'm Cerberus now.  
 
I expected a terrible ending, and got one that I was actually okay with.  I freaking hate Synthesis, but overall I thought it was alright.  I'd like something different of course.  I would have had a simple 'the reapers die no matter what.  It's just how, and what you're prepared to sacrifice to do it, that comes in 3 different flavours'.
 
The amount of times I read this about ME2...I've honestly lost count and the thing was I wasn't even looking for it.  

Spoiler

Liara becomes the Shadow Broker

 Learning that in ME1 seems like crazy talk, but nope, it happens, and I knew 3 weeks ago cause I couldn't keep away from the damn forums. /facepalm.
 
I remember just before ME3 a recommended YT vid popped up on the sidebar called 

Spoiler

Garrus shoots Ashley

 Bloody hell, how am I supposed to avoid that?  The amount of DAI vids with titles in huge letters, saying things like 

Spoiler

Cassandra becomes Divine

or, the latest one that spoiled me for Trespasser was 

Spoiler

Iron Bull's Betrayal

 
Now I say 'not interested' for everyone of those buggers in the hope YT gets the hint.
 
I then manipulated the SM, ending up with 3 runs to get everyone to live after reading how to do it.  Maybe I should have played it and lived with the consequences.  However those were that Tali died purely because I didn't yet have enough renegade points to tell Tali's judges to go f themselves, so had to wait till after the SM to do it.
 
Honestly I wasn't too influenced with ME, it's DA that I ruined for myself by second guessing far too many choices.  I knew too much, sometimes my own fault for researching, other times an accident like a reference in a seemingly okay forum thread.

Careful though, those Cerberus guys might want to use you as an indoctrination test subject.

Youtube videos have spoiled things to me before as well.

Spoiler

About Liara becoming the Shadow Broker, I read about it during the first time playing ME2, so yeah, things weren't the same anymore.

Regarding the DAI spoilers you've written, can't say anything about them. Currently being in my first playthrough of the game, I decided not to open those in your post haha

I've also been spoiled more with the DA games than with the ME ones, probably because I played Origins and 2 before Shepard's trilogy, and took me some time to realize how much it sucked to not have experienced it without any kind of influence. DAO forum has helped with the DAI spoilers I've read so far, as I wasn't expecting to find them there.

My curiosity always backfires. Seems like I'll never learn.

[Ahglock]

New rule. i shall make a new drink concoction for every night I play the game. I shall start with gin drinks and make my way to whiskey for the finale.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Careful though, those Cerberus guys might want to use you as an indoctrination test subject.

Youtube videos have spoiled things to me before as well.

Spoiler

About Liara becoming the Shadow Broker, I read about it during the first time playing ME2, so yeah, things weren't the same anymore.

Regarding the DAI spoilers you've written, can't say anything about them. Currently being in my first playthrough of the game, I decided not to open those in your post haha

I've also been spoiled more with the DA games than with the ME ones, probably because I played Origins and 2 before Shepard's trilogy, and took me some time to realize how much it sucked to not have experienced it without any kind of influence. DAO forum has helped with the DAI spoilers I've read so far, as I wasn't expecting to find them there.

My curiosity always backfires. Seems like I'll never learn.

 

Pssht I'm not indoctrinated!   By the way can I show you a brochure for our lovely new holiday park on Horizon?  It's called Sanctuary, you'll love it, you get a loyalty card and everything.

 

I don't blame you when it comes to DAI.  There was a situation with erm, someone or something, animal, vegetable or mineral, and I wondered 'if I hadn't been spoiled about that, would I have figured it out?'.  I like to think I would have but I'll never know.  Maybe it only seemed obvious because I knew already, or maybe I'd have been a clever clogs and gone all Sherlock on it.  Actually that happened maybe 2 and a half times in DAI come to think of it.

 

I could have written that last line of yours.  If curiosity kills the cat, and if I was a kitty, I'd be very very dead by now.  'I just want to see what this one choice does, it shouldn't hurt'.   Omg that reminds me of when I ruined ME3 Citadel for myself  -

 

Spoiler

I was wondering who the voice actress for Maya Brooks was. So I wiki'd her, couldn't hurt right?
Nope, put me on the page for her boss fight. But why would I need to know her stats? Wait...omg she's a bad guy all along ffs aarrrghghhh!

[themikefest]

Reading, hearing or seeing spoilers don't bother me. So spoil away. It won't stop me from playing the game.

 

My first playthrough will be just to do what I can, and if I miss anything, which I know I will, I can do another playthrough to see the parts I missed. No big deal

[Cyberstrike nTo]

The only rule I have is: have fun and try to enjoy the game. 

[Mummy22kids]

I'm going to try to go in with no preconceived notions.  I really enjoyed DAI, but I went in with no expectations about the storyline or what it would entail.