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[nightscrawl]

Yes, Solas says the mark was going to kill you, but then says he is going to save your life. That's why he removed the mark.
 
The Inquisitor only has a few years left because Solas is going to destroy the world, not because of the mark.

Yepper, this was my read as well. He actually saves your life by removing the Anchor. I think the Inquisitor (or former) is just fine, minus a hand.

That aside, I don't think that Bioware would decend to the level of supreme a-holery and kill off a PC "off-camera" outside the bounds of a game. Oh the writers like their fan tears and all that, but that is something else entirely. If the Inquisitor isn't going to appear in the next game in some fashion, I fully expect them to have Warden-like status of heresay, codex entries, and the like telling of their exploits.

[lynroy]

If my Inquistor ends up dead it will be because he got drunk and tried to do some crazy stunt.

[DavoRaydn]

I think removing the mark saved the Inq's life.

 

Whether he/she is dead at the start of da4 ( assuming they even make da4 ) can depend on lots of things. They could have a big time gap between dai and da4 since Solas can easily wait 40-50 years,  i mean he is basically a few thousand years old so a century means nothing to him.

 

If they bring back the inq i think it will be in an advisory roll, maybe even just communicating with the pc through letters or messengers or one of those magic crystal thingys like with dorian. If they bring him/her back "in the flesh", i hope there will be some kind of character import function if they use the same engine; cause my Hawkes looked nothing like what they did in DA2 ...though that could just be my incompetence with character creation

[Qis]

They cut off their arm to make it clear they won't be playable, so I think a cameo is more possible than killing them off.

 

There is alwaus a solution...in a world where Mages can raise the dead, living thing can mutate into broodmother, blood magic can make huge giant monster and turn Hawke mom into a female Frankenstein...what it is so hard to make a working prosthetic arm?

 

[greenbrownblue]

I've seen many people saying the quiz will probably make a cameo of sorts in the next game but I haven't seen anyone considering the very likely possibility they will be dead by that time. I mean, they only got a few years left according to Solas right?

You misunderstood Solas. He is going to start executing his plans in a few years, that's why Inquis has a few years of relative peace left. 

Bioware, make the Inquisitor DA4's protagonist!

[Deanna Troy]

Well they could surprise us and bring them back with unique fighting styles based on their disability and class before the disability but let's be realistic, the chances of that happening are very low due to the amount of work they'd have to do.

I'm ok with people saying "I don't want the Inquisitor back" or "I don't like the idea of playing the Inquisitor again", or even as the OP said "I think they will die before next game", but after the colossal amount of proof that loosing an arm is not a lore problem and not a resource problem I can't understand people saying these things you say

IB was supposed to have a prosthetic and his concept arts shows it, everybody knows it by now, right? (personally I think they scrapped it BECAUSE of the Inquisitior, so that the prosthethic idea could be used in the next game, but this is just speculation)

Resource wise, except for "one pieces", all Inquisition armor was already model exclusive. Any other "problem" is completely optional depending on how they want to handle the gameplay

So what is exactly the difficulty in having the Inquisitor back?

[abisha]

seen enough pirates with missing hands and still fight somehow.

who knows might give it a hook and go's sea born.

 

anyway what likely will happens is that they introduce a new Hero and makes a mess of even more of the story line.

reason it become even a more mess!. simple Entropy

 

on personal note i really hope they leave the religious cr@p out in the next game made me feel very uncomfortable playing DA:I

with those zealots.

[Matriarch]

I think removing the mark saved the Inq's life.

 

Whether he/she is dead at the start of da4 ( assuming they even make da4 ) can depend on lots of things. They could have a big time gap between dai and da4 since Solas can easily wait 40-50 years,  i mean he is basically a few thousand years old so a century means nothing to him.

 

If they bring back the inq i think it will be in an advisory roll, maybe even just communicating with the pc through letters or messengers or one of those magic crystal thingys like with dorian. If they bring him/her back "in the flesh", i hope there will be some kind of character import function if they use the same engine; cause my Hawkes looked nothing like what they did in DA2 ...though that could just be my incompetence with character creation

 

I do not think it'll be just letters, or the PC wouldn't really have a drive to kill or spare solas other than his/her own judgment. I don't think that, introducing Solas as much in depth as they did in Inquisition, they won't involve the emotional side. For that, we need the Inquisitor, regardless of choices.

[Vanilka]

From what I understood of the ending of Trespasser, the Inquisition will play a significant role in finding, figuring out and fighting Solas, so I expect them to show up in the following game. Including the Inquisitor. And I know losing an arm wouldn't stop mine. That merely pissed her off.

[Gervaise]

Solas may use bad grammar to a friend but the hostile ending makes it quite clear that he removes the anchor so you will not die, because he set up the south for a few years of complacent peace before he pulls the plug and your dying my spoil that.    That, along with my dislike of placing the Inquisition under the Chantry, is why I prefer disbanding altogether.   Why should I play peace maker just so he can feel better about himself?    Besides I got the feeling he expected me to keep the Inquisition going, so I liked to keep him guessing.

 

He says enjoy the time you have left because, even if you are an elf, you are going to die along with all the rest.   Quite why he thinks you will simply be content to sit back and enjoy life while you can is beyond me.    Still if you say you will stop him, he admits he thought that would be your reaction.

 

The problematic part for me is that requirement for you to make a choice.   It suggests the Quizzy will be involved in some way in the next game, even if only in an advisory role.   One of my friends couldn't play Trespasser on their X Box as it was an old one, so I suggested he play through using one of my PCs.   Then I also showed him the ending with Solas romance, so he could see the difference.     Quite unsolicited his reaction was "so we'll be playing the Inquisitor again next game."   The reasoning for this is the personal involvement and the way the Inquisitor says either:  "I will prove you wrong" or "I will stop you."    If the idea was that the PC intended working with others or letting someone else put in the main effort, surely they would have said "WE".   Not to mention Solas haunting the dreams of the romanced Inquisitor. Like she is just going to sit around and do nothing.   However, against that you have the discussion about how we would need new people that Solas doesn't know and the Devs have said in the past that there would be a new protagonist each game.   So I'm still inclining towards a cameo role of some sort.  

 

I'd definitely be upset if they just killed the Inquisitor off stage and almost as much if they do so it in some horrible unavoidable way at the beginning of the next game.

 

As for the arm, that is something that can be overcome with a bit of training, even without some sort of substitute.   However, in this world of magic, I do not believe it wouldn't be possible for someone like Dagna to come up with a fully functioning alternative.   I've said it before, if they could do this with magic for the hero Nuada in the old Irish sagas when he lost his arm, then they can do it in Thedas.    So we can have time travel, fade walking, gigantic moving statues, golems and a horse construct that can fly and cover great distances at speed but we can't have a magical prosthetic arm?

[Matriarch]

Solas may use bad grammar to a friend but the hostile ending makes it quite clear that he removes the anchor so you will not die, because he set up the south for a few years of complacent peace before he pulls the plug and your dying my spoil that.    That, along with my dislike of placing the Inquisition under the Chantry, is why I prefer disbanding altogether.   Why should I play peace maker just so he can feel better about himself?    Besides I got the feeling he expected me to keep the Inquisition going, so I liked to keep him guessing.

 

He says enjoy the time you have left because, even if you are an elf, you are going to die along with all the rest.   Quite why he thinks you will simply be content to sit back and enjoy life while you can is beyond me.    Still if you say you will stop him, he admits he thought that would be your reaction.

 

The problematic part for me is that requirement for you to make a choice.   It suggests the Quizzy will be involved in some way in the next game, even if only in an advisory role.   One of my friends couldn't play Trespasser on their X Box as it was an old one, so I suggested he play through using one of my PCs.   Then I also showed him the ending with Solas romance, so he could see the difference.     Quite unsolicited his reaction was "so we'll be playing the Inquisitor again next game."   The reasoning for this is the personal involvement and the way the Inquisitor says either:  "I will prove you wrong" or "I will stop you."    If the idea was that the PC intended working with others or letting someone else put in the main effort, surely they would have said "WE".   Not to mention Solas haunting the dreams of the romanced Inquisitor. Like she is just going to sit around and do nothing.   However, against that you have the discussion about how we would need new people that Solas doesn't know and the Devs have said in the past that there would be a new protagonist each game.   So I'm still inclining towards a cameo role of some sort.  

 

I'd definitely be upset if they just killed the Inquisitor off stage and almost as much if they do so it in some horrible unavoidable way at the beginning of the next game.

 

As for the arm, that is something that can be overcome with a bit of training, even without some sort of substitute.   However, in this world of magic, I do not believe it wouldn't be possible for someone like Dagna to come up with a fully functioning alternative.   I've said it before, if they could do this with magic for the hero Nuada in the old Irish sagas when he lost his arm, then they can do it in Thedas.    So we can have time travel, fade walking, gigantic moving statues, golems and a horse construct that can fly and cover great distances at speed but we can't have a magical prosthetic arm?

 

It doesn't really matter if the Inquisitor lacks an arm. Epic heroes only need an arm to win 

[ModernAcademic]

I love you, but I'm going to let you die.

 

Yeah. You're making perfect sense, Solas. 

 

 

You know what? For all the criticism our companions make toward Sera, she DOES love you. She marries you. She stays with you. There wasn't one time she didn't panic once your mark started troubling you. She was afraid to lose you. THAT is love. 

 

 

Leaving your sweetheart to die for a selfish ambition, for elven glory? F***off. Vhenan my arse. He doesn't love Lavellan AT ALL.

[straykat]

I doubt the Inquisitor will die. That's probably why they cut off their arm. To give them some sort of downside to their life and kick them down.... for whatever reason. What's the point of going further? Just to be even more edgy, for the sake of it?

[Vanilka]

It doesn't really matter if the Inquisitor lacks an arm. Epic heroes only need an arm to win 

 

They just needed to take one arm away to make it fair for Solas. 

[katerinafm]

I'm ok with people saying "I don't want the Inquisitor back" or "I don't like the idea of playing the Inquisitor again", or even as the OP said "I think they will die before next game", but after the colossal amount of proof that loosing an arm is not a lore problem and not a resource problem I can't understand people saying these things you say

IB was supposed to have a prosthetic and his concept arts shows it, everybody knows it by now, right? (personally I think they scrapped it BECAUSE of the Inquisitior, so that the prosthethic idea could be used in the next game, but this is just speculation)

Resource wise, except for "one pieces", all Inquisition armor was already model exclusive. Any other "problem" is completely optional depending on how they want to handle the gameplay

So what is exactly the difficulty in having the Inquisitor back?

 

Don't get me wrong I'd like for them to make a comeback but I'm just saying I can definitely see them using the things I pointed out as an excuse for the Inq not appearing again. They've used more ridiculous excuses for other stuff in the past as well.

 

Plus the Inquisitor clearly states at the end of Trespasser that their 'adventuring days are over' or something similar. And the devs have said they want a new protagonist in every DA game.

[Nefla]

Better to die offscreen on twitter between games in a heroic way than have BioWare use the missing hand as an excuse to make the inquisitor an invalid advisor/quest giver to some random slave/farmhand/jr apprentice mage, etc...Not that I would play the game in either of these scenarios.

[straykat]

Better to die offscreen on twitter between games in a heroic way than have BioWare use the missing hand as an excuse to make the inquisitor an invalid advisor/quest giver to some random slave/farmhand/jr apprentice mage, etc...Not that I would play the game in either of these scenarios.

 

Emily Wong RIP

[Nefla]

Don't get me wrong I'd like for them to make a comeback but I'm just saying I can definitely see them using the things I pointed out as an excuse for the Inq not appearing again. They've used more ridiculous excuses for other stuff in the past as well.

 

Plus the Inquisitor clearly states at the end of Trespasser that their 'adventuring days are over' or something similar. And the devs have said they want a new protagonist in every DA game.

I distinctly recalled them saying "looks like I have to save the world...again" or something similar

[Matriarch]

Better to die offscreen on twitter between games in a heroic way than have BioWare use the missing hand as an excuse to make the inquisitor an invalid advisor/quest giver to some random slave/farmhand/jr apprentice mage, etc...Not that I would play the game in either of these scenarios.

 

You wouldn't play the game. So... Whas's the interest in all these threads?

[katerinafm]

I distinctly recalled them saying "looks like I have to save the world...again" or something similar

 

Unlike the previous phrase which referred to themselves exclusively, the phrase you're saying could mean them saying that the Inquisition would save the world, not them. And they then say 'we'll find people he doesn't know' and points at Tevinter. The hints of a new setting and people are pretty obvious. 

[ModernAcademic]

Wanting Solas to abandon his task for his love is no different than wanting the Inquisitor to abandon her task for hers. If the Inquisitor's sweetheart willingly joined Corypheus, they'd have to be defeated or killed, too. Love has nothing to do with it, even if it hurts.

 

Sparing the life of the person you love isn't a synonym for abandoning your duty.

If Solas truly loved Lavellan, he would take her with him. Or promise to save her from death before the world ends. 

 

In his mind, the Inquisitor doesn't belong in his reality. She was born in this Age. She belongs to elves that came after. Elves that know nothing about their true past and their true calling. Just check what he has to say about elves like Sera. So he doesn't really consider Lavellan to be his equal.

 

He has a past, maybe even had an affair we know nothing about (remember the female spirit we save in the Exalted Plains?), is thousands of years old, despises all that is mortal, for it is fleeting... in his mind, only Arlathan is/can be immortal. Only life in Arlathan is real. The rest is but a passing thing, doomed to perish and disappear. 

 

How can he truly love someone that belongs to a world that dies, where his reality is all but forgotten?

 

He made his choice. And that was to leave Lavellan behind. Whatever romance she thinks they have, the love in their relationship is unilateral. To him, Lavellan was but a pleasant affair in the middle of his personal quest. After all is said and done, it becomes apparent that he doesn't really care about her.

 

Sorry, but that's the reality of it.

[Vanilka]

Sparing the life of the person you love isn't a synonym for abandoning your duty.

If Solas truly loved Lavellan, he would take her with him. Or promise to save her from death before the world ends. 

 

In his mind, the Inquisitor doesn't belong in his reality. She was born in this Age. She belongs to elves that came after. Elves that know nothing about their true past and their true calling. Just check what he has to say about elves like Sera. So he doesn't really consider Lavellan to be his equal.

 

He has a past, maybe even had an affair we know nothing about (remember the female spirit we save in the Exalted Plains?), is thousands of years old, despises all that is mortal, for it is fleeting... in his mind, only Arlathan is/can be immortal. Only life in Arlathan is real. The rest is but a passing thing, doomed to perish and disappear. 

 

How can he truly love someone that belongs to a world that dies, where his reality is all but forgotten?

 

He made his choice. And that was to leave Lavellan behind. Whatever romance she thinks they have, the love in their relationship is unilateral. To him, Lavellan was but a pleasant affair in the middle of his personal quest. After all is said and done, it becomes apparent that he doesn't really care about her.

 

Sorry, but that's the reality of it.

 

But I'm not arguing about any of that. I know he didn't even consider humans, elves, etc. people. That's one of the reasons I dislike him as a person (Not as a character.) in the first place. To me, Solas was always all business and distance, I felt like I could never really get to know him, and that's, among other things, why I had my Lavellan fall for Cullen, who's warm and personal, and not Solas. I'm just saying that because he's an idiot with a nefarious plan, that doesn't mean he can't have feelings for the Inquisitor in his own twisted way. (Does he explain why he left her behind? I've never romanced Solas. Don't think I will, either.) Anyway, I think his writer himself stated that "Solas deeply cares about the Inquisitor" or whatever. Which doesn't really mean much to me given that he wants to destroy everything she's ever known and loved and end her, too.

 

When you say, "Sorry, but that's the reality of it," it comes across a little emotional. I'm not emotionally invested in Solas and I have no romantic ideas about his relationship with Lavellan. I don't really care about whether he loves Lavellan or not. That romance doesn't even happen in my Thedas anyway. I'm just trying to analyse him as a person.

 

(Sorry, I deleted my post before I noticed your answer because it got carried too far away from yours as others were posting, but I think you took out the important part of it anyway.)

[Nimlowyn]

But I'm not arguing about any of that. I know he didn't even consider humans or elves people. That's one of the reasons I dislike him as a person (Not as a character.) in the first place. To me, Solas was always all business and distance, and that's exactly why I had my Lavellan fall for Cullen who's warm and personal and not Solas. I'm just saying that because he's an idiot with a nefarious plan, that doesn't mean he can't have feelings for the Inquisitor in his own twisted way. (Does he explain why he left her behind? I've never romanced Solas. Don't think I will, either.) Anyway, I think his writer himself stated that "Solas deeply cares about the Inquisitor" or whatever. Which doesn't really mean much to me given that he wants to destroy everything she's ever known and loved and end her, too.

 

When you say, "Sorry, but that's the reality of it," it comes across a little emotional. I'm not emotionally invested in Solas and I have no romantic ideas about his relationship with Lavellan. I don't really care about whether he loves Lavellan or not. That romance doesn't even happen in my Thedas anyway. I'm just trying to analyse him as a person.

 

(Sorry, I deleted my post before I noticed your answer because it got carried too far away from yours as others were posting, but I think you took out the important part of it anyway.)

Solas tells a romanced Lavellan that he cannot burden her, that this is his fight, and that he won't have her see what he will become.

 

So, he'd rather she just die. I guess. He watches her in her dreams, so perhaps not. 

[Abyss108]

 

 

You know what? For all the criticism our companions make toward Sera, she DOES love you. She marries you. She stays with you. There wasn't one time she didn't panic once your mark started troubling you. She was afraid to lose you. THAT is love. 

 

 

She will however panic and leave you if you are religious, despite knowing this from the start of the relationship. So not that afraid to lose you and not that in love with you.

 

I say this as someone who likes Sera.

[Vanilka]

Solas tells a romanced Lavellan that he cannot burden her, that this is his fight, and that he won't have her see what he will become.

 

So, he'd rather she just die. I guess. He watches her in her dreams, so perhaps not. 

 

Thanks for explanation! I was curious about that. And, yeah, I admit I don't really get Solas. That's why he's interesting, though. Because I think he's a complicated person, I believe he probably has his really weird reasons for doing things the way he does them. (Either that or it's the writing being funny because we can't have the Inquisitor join him. Now that would be interesting in the following game.) The Inquisitor probably confused the crap out of him, too. Especially when romanced.