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[KaiserShep]

Better to die offscreen on twitter between games in a heroic way than have BioWare use the missing hand as an excuse to make the inquisitor an invalid advisor/quest giver to some random slave/farmhand/jr apprentice mage, etc...Not that I would play the game in either of these scenarios.

I dunno. I imagine a powerful Knight-Enchanter would lose none of their powers in the event of losing a hand. One thing I always wondered though. In such a case, could a mage use something smaller to focus their magic instead of a staff? It worked for Harry Potter right? Inky would have to learn to wield the spectral blade with the right hand though.

[Dai Grepher]

I made a topic about this a little while ago. I don't think it will have the Inquisitor dead, but I theorized that an ex-Inquisitor who angered Solas during the game might be killed off by him. The only reason he spares an Inquisitor he dislikes is because the death would only cause more unnecessary bloodshed and suffering. But if the person disbands the Inquisition, then there is no more risk of that person's death causing any chaos. In which case, the ex-Inquisitor is merely a liability.

[Abyss108]

I made a topic about this a little while ago. I don't think it will have the Inquisitor dead, but I theorized that an ex-Inquisitor who angered Solas during the game might be killed off by him. The only reason he spares an Inquisitor he dislikes is because the death would only cause more unnecessary bloodshed and suffering. But if the person disbands the Inquisition, then there is no more risk of that person's death causing any chaos. In which case, the ex-Inquisitor is merely a liability.

 

Naw, Solas generally doesn't kill people just because he dislikes them, and he doesn't view the Inquisitor as a liability because he doesn't think they are even remotely capable of standing against him.

 

Now, if the Inquisitor returns and actually starts proving they can stand in his way he might reconsider...

[Nimlowyn]

Thanks for explanation! I was curious about that. And, yeah, I admit I don't really get Solas. That's why he's interesting, though. Because I think he's a complicated person, I believe he probably has his really weird reasons for doing things the way he does them. (Either that or it's the writing being funny because we can't have the Inquisitor join him. Now that would be interesting in the following game.) The Inquisitor probably confused the crap out of him, too. Especially when romanced. 

He wasn't supposed to fall in love. It wasn't supposed to happen. He is stalwart about his plans (presumably because he knows Lavellan is his weakness) but at the same time is experiencing deeply conflicting emotions. I haven't seen the friendship version, but in the romance version, the pain in his face is very real (kuddos to the cinematic designers and animators, I mean damn). 

 

I don't really get Solas either. I mean, kind of, I guess? The veil is not the natural state of the world, he made a mistake he is trying to correct, he has people in uthenera he is trying to do right by... I don't know, I finished Trespasser almost 2 weeks ago, and I'm still trying to sort out how I feel about it, let alone how my character does (She found out her gods aren't worth worshiping, the man she loves is the trickster god she as First was supposed to protect her people from, created the veil, is essentially Corypheus 2.0 AND she lost half her arm. Talk about a lot to process). I mean, is he really going to let Lavellan die? "Luring you here meant I could save you...at least for now. My love...I will never forget you." UM. If he plans on killing her (or letting her die indirectly at any rate) this is kind of sick. Then of course he watches over her in dreams, from a distance. Too many unanswered questions at this point. 

[Reznore57]

 

 

I don't really get Solas either. I mean, kind of, I guess? The veil is not the natural state of the world, he made a mistake he is trying to correct, he has people in uthenera he is trying to do right by... I don't know, I finished Trespasser almost 2 weeks ago, and I'm still trying to sort out how I feel about it, let alone how my character does (She found out her gods aren't worth worshiping, the man she loves is the trickster god she as First was supposed to protect her people from, created the veil, is essentially Corypheus 2.0 AND she lost half her arm. Talk about a lot to process). I mean, is he really going to let Lavellan die? "Luring you here meant I could save you...at least for now. My love...I will never forget you." UM. If he plans on killing her (or letting her die indirectly at any rate) this is kind of sick. Then of course he watches over her in dreams, from a distance. Too many unanswered questions at this point. 

 

He kills Mythal whom he deeply loved maybe not in a romantic way but hell he lost it when she was murdered.

So at this point , letting Lavellan die is nothing , he already crossed that bridge , killing people he loves for the cause.

[Nimlowyn]

He kills Mythal whom he deeply loved maybe not in a romantic way but hell he lost it when she was murdered.

So at this point , letting Lavellan die is nothing , he already crossed that bridge , killing people he loves for the cause.

I guess he does kill her, huh? I don't know if he was aware of her multiple body trick, but he does chuckle when he tells the Inquisitor that he cast the veil after the Evanuris killed Mythal. Maybe the irony hit him then. Dunno. 

[Vanilka]

He wasn't supposed to fall in love. It wasn't supposed to happen. He is stalwart about his plans (presumably because he knows Lavellan is his weakness) but at the same time is experiencing deeply conflicting emotions. I haven't seen the friendship version, but in the romance version, the pain in his face is very real (kuddos to the cinematic designers and animators, I mean damn). 

 

I don't really get Solas either. I mean, kind of, I guess? The veil is not the natural state of the world, he made a mistake he is trying to correct, he has people in uthenera he is trying to do right by... I don't know, I finished Trespasser almost 2 weeks ago, and I'm still trying to sort out how I feel about it, let alone how my character does (She found out her gods aren't worth worshiping, the man she loves is the trickster god she as First was supposed to protect her people from, created the veil, is essentially Corypheus 2.0 AND she lost half her arm. Talk about a lot to process). I mean, is he really going to let Lavellan die? "Luring you here meant I could save you...at least for now. My love...I will never forget you." UM. If he plans on killing her (or letting her die indirectly at any rate) this is kind of sick. Then of course he watches over her in dreams, from a distance. Too many unanswered questions at this point. 

 

I've only finished Trespasser recently, as well. As somebody who played a Dalish Warden and then Dalish Inquisitor, all the new lore was a big shock. It's really hard to imagine how Lavellan (Mine was a mage, also.) can possibly deal with all she believed in crumbling like that and knowing Solas is responsible for destroying the world once already. We also know it was more complicated than that and we don't know the whole story. Probably by far. Knowing that he almost destroyed the world for the second time when he gave his orb to Corypheus. And now he's planning to do it again. It must be crushing and confusing. To me it feels that losing an arm is the Dalish Inquisitor's smallest problem in this story. That's why, while it was slightly disturbing for a moment, it made the fact that Lavellan could get back up on her feet and decide to continue the fight so much more badass. I feel that a devout Lavellan loses a lot. A devout Lavellan that fell in love with Solas loses even more. To me, that makes Lavellan's character development really fascinating, romance or not.

 

My Lavellan (who was Solas' friend) told him that as long as she lived, she would come to stop him. He said he knew that. He saved her regardless. And, yes, he's obviously not happy about this development, either.

 

I'm quite curious about what we'll learn in the following game because I agree there are too many unanswered questions still floating about.

[Reznore57]

I guess he does kill her, huh? I don't know if he was aware of her multiple body trick, but he does chuckle when he tells the Inquisitor that he cast the veil after the Evanuris killed Mythal. Maybe the irony hit him then. Dunno. 

 

Well I'm not sure she is dead , but the fact is both him and Flemeth are really sad and full of "sorries" in this scene so I assume Solas thinks he's killing her and Flemythal is just sad (being killed by a friend isn't the best).

Because if it was all about I'm just taking a bit of your power and you'll be fine , jeez those old elves are really a bit over dramatic.

[Gervaise]

The contrast between what you say if you are going to keep the Inquisition going and what you say if you disband is confusing as well.

 

If you're keeping it "my adventuring days are over", if you disband "now excuse me as I have to save the world, again."

 

So I assume that if you are doing the former, then this is just to explain why you actually won't be hanging around Orlais doing the Divine's will but will have a deputy standing in for you, because officially you are retired from active service, but the reality is you are off chasing Solas.    Whereas, there is no need to explain your absence if you disband, since no one expects you to stay.

[Dai Grepher]

Naw, Solas generally doesn't kill people just because he dislikes them, and he doesn't view the Inquisitor as a liability because he doesn't think they are even remotely capable of standing against him.

 

Now, if the Inquisitor returns and actually starts proving they can stand in his way he might reconsider...

 

If you have Iron Bull as Tal-Vashoth, Solas' dialogue is that his actions against the Qunari are in part because they offended him. So if the Inquisitor did the same during the game, the same should apply. Whether Soals considers an ex-Inquisitor a threat to his plans or not, it's possible for the ex-Inquisitor to tell others who might become threats. So I think Solas would kill an ex-Inquisitor who offended him if it meant eliminating a possible threat.

 

If Solas believes killing the (ex)Inquisitor is best, then he might be able to do so through dreamwalking.
 

[Abyss108]

If you have Iron Bull as Tal-Vashoth, Solas' dialogue is that his actions against the Qunari are in part because they offended him. So if the Inquisitor did the same during the game, the same should apply. Whether Soals considers an ex-Inquisitor a threat to his plans or not, it's possible for the ex-Inquisitor to tell others who might become threats. So I think Solas would kill an ex-Inquisitor who offended him if it meant eliminating a possible threat.

 

If Solas believes killing the (ex)Inquisitor is best, then he might be able to do so through dreamwalking.
 

 

He didn't kill them because they offended him, he killed them because they were a terrorist threat. He was just happier about killing them because they offended him. 

 

Solas would definitely kill the Inquisitor if he considered them a threat, but not simply because he doesn't like them.

[Nimlowyn]

I've only finished Trespasser recently, as well. As somebody who played a Dalish Warden and then Dalish Inquisitor, all the new lore was a big shock. It's really hard to imagine how Lavellan (Mine was a mage, also.) can possibly deal with all she believed in crumbling like that and knowing Solas is responsible for destroying the world once already. We also know it was more complicated than that and we don't know the whole story. Probably by far. Knowing that he almost destroyed the world for the second time when he gave his orb to Corypheus. And now he's planning to do it again. It must be crushing and confusing. To me it feels that losing an arm is the Dalish Inquisitor's smallest problem in this story. That's why, while it was slightly disturbing for a moment, it made the fact that Lavellan could get back up on her feet and decide to continue the fight so much more badass. I feel that a devout Lavellan loses a lot. A devout Lavellan that fell in love with Solas loses even more. To me, that makes Lavellan's character development really fascinating, romance or not.

 

My Lavellan (who was Solas' friend) told him that as long as she lived, she would come to stop him. He said he knew that. He saved her regardless. And, yes, he's obviously not happy about this development, either.

 

I'm quite curious about what we'll learn in the following game because I agree there are too many unanswered questions still floating about.

 

Lavellan's character development is just out of this world. I've played as human and qunari, and I can't experience the story any other way now.

 

If the orb was not destroyed...Solas would have taken it, run, and torn down the veil. After you and your people risked everything, after the blood, the sweat, the tears, the sacrifice, he would have undone all of it. There is no betrayal more deep, more profound. He deserves to be hunted, and probably should be. My Lavellan's faith was very important to her, and now with that gone, the faith she has left is in the people she loves -- including Solas. She's always taken a principled stance on redemption, and she bears Solas a love and loyalty he doesn't deserve. All my canon characters have done something stupid for love, romantic or otherwise, so it fits with the theme I seem to have going here. 

 

I'm really looking forward to DA4. I suspect that we'll learn Solas is even more grey than he appears, that his plans will fail, again, and he'll unleash a major problem that he may or may not assist us in correcting, in one form or another. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Flemythal either, in one way or another. I also hope we get more insight into the Forgotten Ones/Forbidden Ones/Old Gods. I'd really like to know why Solas hates what the Wardens are doing. 

[ModernAcademic]

She will however panic and leave you if you are religious, despite knowing this from the start of the relationship. So not that afraid to lose you and not that in love with you.

 

I say this as someone who likes Sera.

 

Fair point. 

[ModernAcademic]

You know, Flemeth was training Morrigan to transfer Mythal to her body.

When she lost that opportunity, didn't her body expire due to old age and Mythal's essence lacked a mortal vessel? Wouldn't she be stuck as a weakened spirit, forgotten in the wilderness until a second Flemeth managed to find her?

 

That epilogue certainly gave the impression Solas murdered her. But what if he knew of her condition and offered himself to be her vessel instead?

What if he saved her? Or was that salvation opportunism on his part, since he absorbed her powers to become stronger and be able to carry out his secret agenda?

[ladyiolanthe]

You know, Flemeth was training Morrigan to transfer Mythal to her body.

When she lost that opportunity, didn't her body expire due to old age and Mythal's essence lacked a mortal vessel? Wouldn't she be stuck as a weakened spirit, forgotten in the wilderness until a second Flemeth managed to find her?

 

That epilogue certainly gave the impression Solas murdered her. But what if he knew of her condition and offered himself to be her vessel instead?

What if he saved her? Or was that salvation opportunism on his part, since he absorbed her powers to become stronger and be able to carry out his secret agenda?

 

I think that it is entirely possible that Mythal sabotaged Solas somehow when he thought he was killing her (or at least absorbing what was left of her power). She apologizes to him right after he apologizes to her, after all. 

[Nimlowyn]

I think that it is entirely possible that Mythal sabotaged Solas somehow when he thought he was killing her (or at least absorbing what was left of her power). She apologizes to him right after he apologizes to her, after all. 

Maybe that apology is indicative that one day they will be reluctant adversaries? Who knows...

[Satihis]

Maybe that apology is indicative that one day they will be reluctant adversaries? Who knows...

 

Mythal vs Solas? That would be epic.

 

Maybe she cares for the current elves? 

 

But it's more likely that Solas did absorb her spirit

[bEVEsthda]

There are a bunch of very simple rules, which you should never break. No matter what reason you have - that includes artistic - it's just not worth it.

But EA do seem to love to break simple rules and then take the consequences right up their... They never seem to get enough of that. So I don't know what they'll do.

 

But I'm definitely one of those who thinks DA should have a new protagonist for every game. And a new story as well. This is not ME.

[Deanna Troy]

Don't get me wrong I'd like for them to make a comeback but I'm just saying I can definitely see them using the things I pointed out as an excuse for the Inq not appearing again. They've used more ridiculous excuses for other stuff in the past as well.

 

Plus the Inquisitor clearly states at the end of Trespasser that their 'adventuring days are over' or something similar. And the devs have said they want a new protagonist in every DA game.

Thus I started my post with "I'm ok with people saying "I don't want the Inquisitor back" or "I don't like the idea of playing the Inquisitor again", or even as the OP said "I think they will die before next game""

It was clear that my post was about the fact that not having an arm and "it would be way too complicated for the devs" are not excuses. I don't know who you are answering but it is definetly not me because you didn't adress my post at all.

Perhaps I should clarify the end of my post by rephrasing it: Regarding LORE and RESOURCES, since these were the only matters I addressed in my post, what is the problem in bringing the Inquisitor back?

Now, if I think that the Inquisitor will be back? Yeah, absolutely, as an NPC.
As a playable character perhaps, despite all the discussions here, devs said that Inquisition arc was cut in half and perhaps there is another half for the Inquisitor.
Or perhaps not, since game indicated that a Tevinter person will be the next PC, and it is what I believe will happen.
But again, my post was about you saying that not having an arm could be a lore or a resource problem and they are clearly NOT. It was never about the Inquisitor coming back or not, but about the reasons you presented.

[Nimlowyn]

Thus I started my post with "I'm ok with people saying "I don't want the Inquisitor back" or "I don't like the idea of playing the Inquisitor again", or even as the OP said "I think they will die before next game""

It was clear that my post was about the fact that not having an arm and "it would be way too complicated for the devs" are not excuses. I don't know who you are answering but it is definetly not me because you didn't adress my post at all.

Perhaps I should clarify the end of my post by rephrasing it: Regarding LORE and RESOURCES, since these were the only matters I addressed in my post, what is the problem in bringing the Inquisitor back?

Now, if I think that the Inquisitor will be back? Yeah, absolutely, as an NPC.
As a playable character perhaps, despite all the discussions here, devs said that Inquisition arc was cut in half and perhaps there is another half for the Inquisitor.
Or perhaps not, since game indicated that a Tevinter person will be the next PC, and it is what I believe will happen.
But again, my post was about you saying that not having an arm could be a lore or a resource problem and they are clearly NOT. It was never about the Inquisitor coming back or not, but about the reasons you presented.

Where did the devs say Inquisition's arc was cut in half? I'm genuinely curious. 

[Satihis]

As a playable character perhaps, despite all the discussions here, devs said that Inquisition arc was cut in half and perhaps there is another half for the Inquisitor. 

 

What?! Did they really say that? Do you have a source?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Where did the devs say Inquisition's arc was cut in half? I'm genuinely curious. 

What?! Did they really say that? Do you have a source?

 

It's in this interview with David Gaider. 

 

 

Were there any things, again, because you mentioned before that your original story plan for Inquisition was twice as long as what players ended up with...

 

The length of the plot arc. It wasn't like we had twice as much content. The amount of ground we were going to cover with the story was twice as long. And the rest of that plot arc still exists. So, it's now in Patrick Weeks hands. Good luck, buddy! Good luck going the rest of the distance! And we'll see how he does that.

 

[Nimlowyn]

 

It's in this interview with David Gaider. 

 

-snip-

 

Thank you! 

 

This is so great I haven't heard this one weeeeeeeeee.

[Dai Grepher]

He didn't kill them because they offended him, he killed them because they were a terrorist threat. He was just happier about killing them because they offended him. 

 

Solas would definitely kill the Inquisitor if he considered them a threat, but not simply because he doesn't like them.

 

Okay, it has nothing to do with Bull being Qunari or Tal-Vashoth. Sorry. The response is for a negative approval Inquisitor to the question of why he would disrupt Dragon's Breath if he's going to destroy the world regardless. He states it was because there's no benefit in allowing harm to come to innocents before it is necessary, and the Qunari offended him. So that right there shows he did it mainly because the Qunari offended him. He didn't care about the innocent people, he just saw no benefit in their suffering.

 

If Solas sees even a slight benefit in the ex-Inquisitor he hates dying, then he will kill him or her. That slight benefit could be in the fact that he or she poses even a slight risk, or it could be that he or she also offended Solas, such as by punching him in the face for example.

[Satihis]

 

It's in this interview with David Gaider. 

 

 

Were there any things, again, because you mentioned before that your original story plan for Inquisition was twice as long as what players ended up with...

 

The length of the plot arc. It wasn't like we had twice as much content. The amount of ground we were going to cover with the story was twice as long. And the rest of that plot arc still exists. So, it's now in Patrick Weeks hands. Good luck, buddy! Good luck going the rest of the distance! And we'll see how he does that.

 

 

 

 

 

But would having the quiz as the protagonist for the next game be bad from a business perspective? Since that would kind of limit the potential to attract new people to the franchise?