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Anyone else feels sure the Inquisitor will be dead before the next game?


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What I meant is - Solas is fully aware that what he is about to do is utterly horrific, but he wants to believe that he isn't a monster for doing it. He doesn't want you think he finds it enjoyable, or that he likes anybody suffering, or that he wants to do it, he just has to.

I don't think he's even convinced himself that he's not a monster for it, but he wants to...

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Keep in mind Solas has to also justify to himself that he didn't just commit genocide when he created the Veil. He's like the Inquisitor in In Hushed Whispers.
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OMG. :o  Just realised something. Whoever drank from the Well - Inky or Mythorrigan - is now bound to the will of Solas, right? Or is Mythal, like, dead now? And he absorbed her powers before she died?


I figure that's why he's so pissed post-Well. "I begged you not to drink from the Well! Why could you not have listened?! You GAVE YOURSELF INTO THE SERVICE OF AN ANCIENT ELVEN GOD! (...) You are Mythal's creature now. Everything you do, whether you know it or not, will be for her. You have given up a part of yourself. (...) I don't believe they were gods, no, but I believe they existed! Something existed to start the legends! If not gods, then mages, or spirits... or something we've never seen... and you are bound to one of them now."

Blah, blah. :P
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This. He prevented the mark from killing you, but he's still planning on destroying the world so in his estimation you still don't have long to live.

So i wonder if Solas saved the Inquisitor for the kindness of his heart which wouldn't make sense if he is going to kill everyone regardless or if he saved the inquisition just to bring in Southern Thedas a false serenity.



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So i wonder if Solas saved the Inquisitor for the kindness of his heart which wouldn't make sense if he is going to kill everyone regardless or if he saved the inquisition just to bring in Southern Thedas a false serenity.


Sort of. He wants people to have a chance to be happy... before he effectively smothers them in their sleep.
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Yeah, that was my initial impression. 

yeah that's my impression as well. If our quizzy's come back in DA4 though I'd suspect it'll be like in some form of advisory role much like Hawke did in DAI a;lthough I doubt they'll be in a fighting part like Hawke can



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I finished it yesterday and I'm still stunned, confused... God I hope this passes


Well, it won't :P
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Sort of. He wants people to have a chance to be happy... before he effectively smothers them in their sleep.

 

Based on what he says, it's more like "burn them alive". 



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"Burn in the raw chaos". Thanks vhenan, you gonna roast me like a marshmallow too?  <_<



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Nothing like a warm fire on a cold winter day.



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If the pot's warmer than this forest, it'd be a nice change.


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This gif  :D

 

One thing I can't stop thinking about: Solas can petrify people with the power of his mind. Without even looking at them.

So...how exactly is our Inquisitor going to stop him?

 

Thoughts?

 

Shale.

 

It's possible that his petrification ability only works on those with dragon properties, which is believed to be the case with Qunari. So this might only work on them or those who are Reavers, possibly.

 

Otherwise you'll need high magic resistance, or immunity like a Legionnaire Scout.


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Shale.

 

 

*falls off chair*

He'll never see this coming!

 

We'll send her a letter signed by Solas...via pigeon courrier.

Let's see how that goes.  B)


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Based on what he says, it's more like "burn them alive".


You mean... raw chaos isn't soft and inviting?

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You wouldn't play the game. So... Whas's the interest in all these threads?

I wouldn't play the game if it had either of those two crappy scenarios:

-The inquisitor dies offscreen between games and is never mentioned again like Emily Wong

-The loss of the hand is used as an excuse to show that the inquisitor is now a helpless invalid who can't fight at all and is relegated to the role of questgiver while some new and unrelated person finishes what I see as a very personal story between the Inquisitor and Solas.

 

I would definitely play it if the inquisitor was the protagonist again and the loss of the hand was given an emotional impact, he had to learn to overcome it and not only get by in day to day life but fight again.

 

Unlike the previous phrase which referred to themselves exclusively, the phrase you're saying could mean them saying that the Inquisition would save the world, not them. And they then say 'we'll find people he doesn't know' and points at Tevinter. The hints of a new setting and people are pretty obvious. 

To me the "we'll find people Solas doesn't know" could easily point to new companions or a new military structure recruited from Tevinter. It would seem really odd for me if it meant "let's go all the way to Tevinter and find some random nobody off the street to take up the fight against Solas!" If they just needed a random person "Solas doesn't know" (I find that to be a horrible excuse anyway sine Solas is hardly a master strategist/manipulator and has proven unable to predict not only the outcome of his own actions but also the smallest things such as the inquisitor having a personality he likes, Cole being able to become human-like, and so on) then there's no need to go to Tevinter, just recruit some random new person from wherever you are and make sure they're not an elf.

 

I dunno. I imagine a powerful Knight-Enchanter would lose none of their powers in the event of losing a hand. One thing I always wondered though. In such a case, could a mage use something smaller to focus their magic instead of a staff? It worked for Harry Potter right? Inky would have to learn to wield the spectral blade with the right hand though.

I feel like mages in general wouldn't be affected in combat by the loss of an arm and other classes could learn to fight a bit differently and overcome the loss. Ex: a shield strapped to the arm with the severed hand, a dagger or hook attachment, that crossbow attachment from the Red Jenny epilogue, etc...

 

The contrast between what you say if you are going to keep the Inquisition going and what you say if you disband is confusing as well.

 

If you're keeping it "my adventuring days are over", if you disband "now excuse me as I have to save the world, again."

 

So I assume that if you are doing the former, then this is just to explain why you actually won't be hanging around Orlais doing the Divine's will but will have a deputy standing in for you, because officially you are retired from active service, but the reality is you are off chasing Solas.    Whereas, there is no need to explain your absence if you disband, since no one expects you to stay.

That's my interpretation as well. It seems to point to that even more strongly since right after saying "my adventuring days are over" you're still there secretly plotting in the basement with your little anti-Solas group just like the "I guess I have to save the world...AGAIN" people. You're not like sitting in a rocking chair on a farm somewhere.

 

But would having the quiz as the protagonist for the next game be bad from a business perspective? Since that would kind of limit the potential to attract new people to the franchise?

When has a continued protagonist ever hurt sales? Look at the sales of ME1 vs ME3 or TW1 vs TW3, etc...If someone sees the series and thinks they would be interested in it, they'll either be more casual about it and not care about the history or they'll be happy that they have more content to play (the previous games in addition to the current game). Often people go in thinking like the first type but enjoy it so much they go back and get all the older games as well :)

 

yeah that's my impression as well. If our quizzy's come back in DA4 though I'd suspect it'll be like in some form of advisory role much like Hawke did in DAI a;lthough I doubt they'll be in a fighting part like Hawke can

That's what I'm afraid of. :sick:

 

I really HATE the idea that the loss of a hand would render someone who is this elite and almost godlike fighter utterly helpless. No possible way they could learn to use a simple prosthetic, focus on fighting with the other hand, work their way back up. I'm an artist, I draw quickly and skillfully with my right hand. If my right hand was severed do you think I would give up art? Would I just advise other people on art and not begin to learn to use my left hand to draw? Even using my left hand NOW, I'm leagues better than some beginner who doesn't draw because of my existing knowledge, skill, and technique. An elite warrior with one hand severed would be a better bet to save the world than a random former slave/merchant/noble/whatever who has little to no fighting skill or experience.


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I really HATE the idea that the loss of a hand would render someone who is this elite and almost godlike fighter utterly helpless. No possible way they could learn to use a simple prosthetic, focus on fighting with the other hand, work their way back up. I'm an artist, I draw quickly and skillfully with my right hand. If my right hand was severed do you think I would give up art? Would I just advise other people on art and not begin to learn to use my left hand to draw? Even using my left hand NOW, I'm leagues better than some beginner who doesn't draw because of my existing knowledge, skill, and technique. An elite warrior with one hand severed would be a better bet to save the world than a random former slave/merchant/noble/whatever who has little to no fighting skill or experience.

 

You make some good points, but I can barely figure out why the character became godlike to begin with. Other than my own button clicking or gamey efforts. Me. Not them. Their story sucks. It's so bad I'm encouraged to not either think about it or in Gaider's words make up things on my own. This hand issue would just be handwaved like literally everything else.



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You make some good points, but I can barely figure out why the character became godlike to begin with. Other than my own gamey efforts. Me. Not them. Their story sucks. It's so bad I'm encouraged to not either think about it or in Gaider's words make up things on my own. This hand issue would just be handwaved like literally everything else.

I agree that the story was bad, but the way Trespasser set things up (and how enjoyable that DLC was for me in general) gave me hope for the potential. A DA4 led by the inquisitor again may still be bad, may fail to give the amputation the emotional impact it deserves, and may just have a bad story all around. I feel that this scenario shows the most potential though and gives me that glimmer of hope "what if they DO put a ton of care and planning into the story, what if they DO give the amputation weight and impact and what if the game does turn out amazing?" Another random Joe stopping Solas either because "he's an evil wizard trying to destroy the world and someone has to stop him so it will be me" or because of some tacked on reason in the beginning of the game such as Solas deciding to be OOC and murder Random Joe's family in front of him for no reason. Random Joe vs Solas story holds zero potential for me. Better some hope than none :(



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I agree that the story was bad, but the way Trespasser set things up (and how enjoyable that DLC was for me in general) gave me hope for the potential. A DA4 led by the inquisitor again may still be bad, may fail to give the amputation the emotional impact it deserves, and may just have a bad story all around. I feel that this scenario shows the most potential though and gives me that glimmer of hope "what if they DO put a ton of care and planning into the story, what if they DO give the amputation weight and impact and what if the game does turn out amazing?" Another random Joe stopping Solas either because "he's an evil wizard trying to destroy the world and someone has to stop him so it will be me" or because of some tacked on reason in the beginning of the game such as Solas deciding to be OOC and murder Random Joe's family in front of him for no reason. Random Joe vs Solas story holds zero potential for me. Better some hope than none :(

 

I would support the Random Joe, only if they put in City Elves again in Tevinter. In fact, all of the races make more sense. I don't like Qunari or Dwarves, but at least they have more relevance there. More things to roleplay and more things to pull at your loyalty. Far more Qun or Vashoth presence, while Tevinter and Kal Sharok are intertwined. And they aren't Dusters pretending they fit in everywhere.

 

I never played Trespasser. I'm still working out my hate on the main game. I want to like the series still, but I'm unhappy.


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I really HATE the idea that the loss of a hand would render someone who is this elite and almost godlike fighter utterly helpless. No possible way they could learn to use a simple prosthetic, focus on fighting with the other hand, work their way back up. I'm an artist, I draw quickly and skillfully with my right hand. If my right hand was severed do you think I would give up art? Would I just advise other people on art and not begin to learn to use my left hand to draw? Even using my left hand NOW, I'm leagues better than some beginner who doesn't draw because of my existing knowledge, skill, and technique. An elite warrior with one hand severed would be a better bet to save the world than a random former slave/merchant/noble/whatever who has little to no fighting skill or experience.

This is my biggest beef as well, It really ticks me off that a person has an impediment and suddenly they're brain dead, utterly incapable of learning to   compensate and become even better than before.      


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This is my biggest beef as well, It really ticks me off that a person has an impediment and suddenly they're brain dead, utterly incapable of learning to   compensate and become even better than before.      

To me the very idea is disgusting. If they wanted to keep Solas as the antagonist and not have the Inquisitor as the protagonist anymore, they could have easily just NOT had the inquisitor know about Solas' dastardly plans (as they are unaware at the end of the base game). I hope that I'm wrong in thinking so little of BioWare that they would give a character a handicap just to show how helpless and useless they are and toss them aside.


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I really HATE the idea that the loss of a hand would render someone who is this elite and almost godlike fighter utterly helpless. No possible way they could learn to use a simple prosthetic, focus on fighting with the other hand, work their way back up. I'm an artist, I draw quickly and skillfully with my right hand. If my right hand was severed do you think I would give up art? Would I just advise other people on art and not begin to learn to use my left hand to draw? Even using my left hand NOW, I'm leagues better than some beginner who doesn't draw because of my existing knowledge, skill, and technique. An elite warrior with one hand severed would be a better bet to save the world than a random former slave/merchant/noble/whatever who has little to no fighting skill or experience.

 

I just don't see why people think Bioware would go this route. I stand by my general comment that this is far more projection at this point than anything else. 

 

To me the very idea is disgusting. If they wanted to keep Solas as the antagonist and not have the Inquisitor as the protagonist anymore, they could have easily just NOT had the inquisitor know about Solas' dastardly plans (as they are unaware at the end of the base game). I hope that I'm wrong in thinking so little of BioWare that they would give a character a handicap just to show how helpless and useless they are and toss them aside.

 

I don't think they want Solas to be the antagonist in DA4. I've said this before, but I wager they'll still play around with him as the hero, much like in Trespasser, were he was still nominally a protagonist (he helps you throughout the DLC, and saves you in the end). 

 

The hand was more likely a response to the criticism that DA:I was too light and fluffy, with no cost to the Inquisitor or Inquisition. 



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I just don't see why people think Bioware would go this route. I stand by my general comment that this is far more projection at this point than anything else. 

I honestly hope you're right.

 

 

 

I don't think they want Solas to be the antagonist in DA4. I've said this before, but I wager they'll still play around with him as the hero, much like in Trespasser, were he was still nominally a protagonist (he helps you throughout the DLC, and saves you in the end). 

 

The hand was more likely a response to the criticism that DA:I was too light and fluffy, with no cost to the Inquisitor or Inquisition.

They set him up as trying to destroy the world in the next game. I don't know how you can get much more villainous/antagonistic than that. I feel like Trespasser was him jerking the inquisitor around rather than helping them. Even "saving" the Inquisitor at the end came with the idea that he thinks they're insignificant and can't stand up to him, that they're no threat. I also don't think they would make a DLC just to create a dramatic situation that should have been in the main game only to have the DLC end 2 minutes later with no reaction to the hand being severed from any of the characters including the inquisitor themself. Why reopen everything, undo the ending, and set up this dramatic scenario for a sequel if you're just going to throw all of it away?


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If not i hope we get the chance to kill him, and the warden too. I like the idea of a tragic hero, hawke in the fade, the warden fell off a cliff and the iquisitor killed by solas.



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If not i hope we get the chance to kill him. I like the idea of a tragic hero, hawke in the fade, the warden killed by an archdemon becuase they didn't do the DA and the iquisitor killed by solas.


There you go!

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I just don't see why people think Bioware would go this route. I stand by my general comment that this is far more projection at this point than anything else. 

 

 

So, you feel almost certain the quiz will be the protagonist in DA4?

 

Before this thread, I found this possibiliby very, very unlikely, mostly because I hadn't seen the loss of the arm as a way to add impact to the inquistor's story. I just went along with the general opinion that it was meant to pull them out of next game's main action.



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Solas' problem is that he doesn't learn. From his own mistakes. No one can predict the future. He tried once by creating the Veil. I don't care what his reasons were,  look what happened? The elves collapsed, became enslaved (most were already slaves, just had elvan masters) and generally the dirt bags of the world. And worse still, the Blight is his fault. If you believe the Chanty version, Tevtiner mages entered the Golden City, casting down the old gods bringing the Blight.

 

But Tevinter would never had risen if Solas didn't create the Veil, if he didn't try and change the future.

 

And now he's gonna change it again? By destroying everything to bring back his version of the old elvan world? Oh, yeah great, that's gonna go so well.

 

Everything that has happened in the world for the last 2000+ years can be laid at Solas' feet. And he needs to die. Slowly. For all the pain and death he's caused. And the Inquisitor needs to kill him. 

 

So no I hope BW doesn't kill the Inquisitor off.


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