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[ArcadiaGrey]

Ha. Silly me. I totally forgot Garrus never dies. He's too good for that. 
 
I personally don't get the love for Renegade femshep and why everyone thinks she's so cool. But more power to you if you think that. I see what you are saying about Tali though. But I personally felt her progression and her feelings for you are the most natural in the series. And her arc with Shepard is just too good to ignore. Miranda is another character that I originally didn't care too much about as femshep. But when I played broshep, I totally got into the character. And despite a lack of content in ME3, I feel has great chemistry with male Shepard. A good romance that could have been made better with more screen time.
 
The difference between the two females and Jacob is a personal one for me. Remember I said I've seen it destroy guys in the military? Anyone watch Jarhead? You should know what scene I'm referring to if you did. There is also a key difference between Jacob and the two females. Jacob is still a jerk, but Shepard was safely locked up when he cheated (as far as I know). The other female had a husband that was active duty and fighting for his life against husks and marauders. Don't you think springing that on someone in the middle of a war is basically killing them? Don't you think one of his reasons for potentially coming back alive is seeing his wife again, even if they may not have left under the best of terms? What if they had kids? While Shepard is understandably upset at what Jacob did, they aren't bound together like the married couple is. Again, not saying what Jacob did was better. I'm just saying the deployed husband has it worse. 
 
And Jacob... well Jacob is just a moron in my opinion. Who in their right might would cheat on Commander Shepard? And for a nobody to boot? I sure as hell wouldn't cheat on my Shepard.  I'd wait for her even if it killed me.

I can imagine how much it must suck to romance Miranda and get so little back in ME3. Haven't done it yet myself but she's one of my favourite squad mates so she's next up.

I can see how your perspective would be different on those women having been in the military. I would imagine your view of the entire trilogy is different actually.

Glad to hear you'd wait for your femshep, after all she'd grab you by the throat and chuck you out of a skyscraper if you didn't

[Natureguy85]

Ha. Silly me. I totally forgot Garrus never dies. He's too good for that. 

 

I personally don't get the love for Renegade femshep and why everyone thinks she's so cool. But more power to you if you think that. I see what you are saying about Tali though. But I personally felt her progression and her feelings for you are the most natural in the series. And her arc with Shepard is just too good to ignore. Miranda is another character that I originally didn't care too much about as femshep. But when I played broshep, I totally got into the character. And despite a lack of content in ME3, I feel has great chemistry with male Shepard. A good romance that could have been made better with more screen time.

 

The difference between the two females and Jacob is a personal one for me. Remember I said I've seen it destroy guys in the military? Anyone watch Jarhead? You should know what scene I'm referring to if you did. There is also a key difference between Jacob and the two females. Jacob is still a jerk, but Shepard was safely locked up when he cheated (as far as I know). The other female had a husband that was active duty and fighting for his life against husks and marauders. Don't you think springing that on someone in the middle of a war is basically killing them? Don't you think one of his reasons for potentially coming back alive is seeing his wife again, even if they may not have left under the best of terms? What if they had kids? While Shepard is understandably upset at what Jacob did, they aren't bound together like the married couple is. Again, not saying what Jacob did was better. I'm just saying the deployed husband has it worse. 

 

And Jacob... well Jacob is just a moron in my opinion. Who in their right might would cheat on Commander Shepard? And for a nobody to boot? I sure as hell wouldn't cheat on my Shepard.  I'd wait for her even if it killed me. 

 

Tali is that way for several reasons;

 

1) She is the only character with a reasonable reaction to Shepard's return, even it only lasts one line before she gets over it.

 

2) I haven't done all the ME2 romances, but she gives an explanation of why she is drawn to Shepard based on Shepard's actions, both toward her and elsewhere.

 

3) Her ME2 mission is one of the few that actually deal with the idea of loyalty, where almost all of them are more about clearing a distraction. Tali saying "Thank you, Captain" after Shepard walks away is one of my favorite scenes in the entire series.

 

 With the significance of the title of Captain to a Quarian, she is affirming to herself that she will follow Shepard anywhere. This part works for both male and female Shepard and is more about loyalty than romance, but a romance would obviously fit into that as well.

[Vanilka]

The difference between the two females and Jacob is a personal one for me. Remember I said I've seen it destroy guys in the military? Anyone watch Jarhead? You should know what scene I'm referring to if you did. There is also a key difference between Jacob and the two females. Jacob is still a jerk, but Shepard was safely locked up when he cheated (as far as I know). The other female had a husband that was active duty and fighting for his life against husks and marauders. Don't you think springing that on someone in the middle of a war is basically killing them? Don't you think one of his reasons for potentially coming back alive is seeing his wife again, even if they may not have left under the best of terms? What if they had kids? While Shepard is understandably upset at what Jacob did, they aren't bound together like the married couple is. Again, not saying what Jacob did was better. I'm just saying the deployed husband has it worse. 

 

The thing is, Shepard actually learns of it in the middle of a military operation. She believed he was waiting for her... and, well, she catches him cheating and has to carry on with her mission right there and then. Jacob couldn't have known it was going to happen... probably... but it happened. However, I get what you're saying. I've never meant to say it's not awfully cruel of them or downright dangerous, given the husband's situation, of course. If it sounded so, I apologise.

[obbie31]

It's a crying shame because Miranda was pretty damn important in ME2 and she is one of the best squadmates. She fared a ton better than Samara, but I still feel she needed more content. But I was quite happy with the Citadel DLC scenes that you get. It humanized Miranda and the scenes were flat out well done. Some of the best in that DLC in fact. As for my views being in the military, the only thing I can say is that Shepard is too much of a badass. In ME2, if I was brought back to life, I'd be a bit more conflicted about it. Shepard is ready to go immediately. 

 

Natureguy pretty much summed up why I like Tali in a nutshell. I find it crazy to believe when I first played femshep, I found Tali kind of boring. Tali is now one of my favorite characters. And literally all her interactions with you feel mostly natural and believable. That singing scene does makes me want to.... "barf." No pun intended. 

 

I suppose you have a point Vanilka. But I think Shepard is probably far more capable and has dealt with far more emotional situations than an average soldier. I honestly wouldn't even have sweated Jacob. I'd have called him a jerk, punched him, and moved on. I was actually more upset at how Brynn reacts to you. And no apology is necessary, especially since everything is being discussed so civilly. 

[Vanilka]

I suppose you have a point Vanilka. But I think Shepard is probably far more capable and has dealt with far more emotional situations than an average soldier. I honestly wouldn't even have sweated Jacob. I'd have called him a jerk, punched him, and moved on. I was actually more upset at how Brynn reacts to you. And no apology is necessary, especially since everything is being discussed so civilly.

 
I agree. Shepard is the wounded party, yet Brynn acts really... territorial. If I were her, I'd probably step on Jacob. I mean, did she know about Shepard? Did he tell her he had a girlfriend that was in custody somewhere and then they got together anyway? It was Jacob's job to stay faithful, but I'm surprised Brynn can even trust the guy after finding out. However she even found out. Let's just say I'm glad Jacob wasn't on my list, heh.
 
 

It's a crying shame because Miranda was pretty damn important in ME2 and she is one of the best squadmates. She fared a ton better than Samara, but I still feel she needed more content. But I was quite happy with the Citadel DLC scenes that you get. It humanized Miranda and the scenes were flat out well done. Some of the best in that DLC in fact. As for my views being in the military, the only thing I can say is that Shepard is too much of a badass. In ME2, if I was brought back to life, I'd be a bit more conflicted about it. Shepard is ready to go immediately.

 
I must say it took time for Miranda to grow on me. The Citadel DLC helped me a great deal to see she could be truly pleasant company and I loved the scene in the apartment especially. It was sweet. Eventually I found out that I didn't like her so much in ME2 simply because I didn't understand her. Once I realised she gets heavily influenced by her background, it all got better. Now I think she's one of the best characters in the second game.
 
It really is a damn shame that they pretty much got rid of the ME2 love interests and companions. Before I played ME3, I was hoping we would ALL get back together to kick ass. Now I realise how naive that was. That would be a metric f-ton of NPCs in the need of content. But one can dream, right?

[ArcadiaGrey]

It's a crying shame because Miranda was pretty damn important in ME2 and she is one of the best squadmates. She fared a ton better than Samara, but I still feel she needed more content. But I was quite happy with the Citadel DLC scenes that you get. It humanized Miranda and the scenes were flat out well done. Some of the best in that DLC in fact. As for my views being in the military, the only thing I can say is that Shepard is too much of a badass. In ME2, if I was brought back to life, I'd be a bit more conflicted about it. Shepard is ready to go immediately. 

 

Natureguy pretty much summed up why I like Tali in a nutshell. I find it crazy to believe when I first played femshep, I found Tali kind of boring. Tali is now one of my favorite characters. And literally all her interactions with you feel mostly natural and believable. That singing scene does makes me want to.... "barf." No pun intended. 

 

I suppose you have a point Vanilka. But I think Shepard is probably far more capable and has dealt with far more emotional situations than an average soldier. I honestly wouldn't even have sweated Jacob. I'd have called him a jerk, punched him, and moved on. I was actually more upset at how Brynn reacts to you. And no apology is necessary, especially since everything is being discussed so civilly. 

 

You wouldn't have sweated Jacob?  WHAT???  If I was in custody for 6 months and he was my only happy thought while I was there, then I got released to find he'd cheated,  I'd have dragged his sorry ass all the way over the Haestrom and nailed him to the ground so he could be slowly roasted by the incoming star.  

 

*ahem*  Also.  You're right about Shep's reaction to being brought back to life.  Finding out it's 2 weeks later for me, but 2 years later for my friends, would give me serious issues.  And why don't you try harder to contact Kaidan?  Or your mother if you're a Spacer?  You're just like 'hmmm...so what was I doing...oh yes I'll get back to that'.  Huh?  Pretty sure you should be having some kind of breakdown Shep.  I'm amazed Cerberus didn't give him/her mandatory psych evaluations every 3 hours, taking away his/her gun until they'd passed.  That's what would've happened in Law & Order.  

[aoibhealfae]

One of the things I love about this game, was all the unromanced female NPCs. Even with the excessive pandering on making Miranda sexually desirable for players, she became fully fleshed as a character and it was obvious that she care for Shepard as a dear friend to her. I really love how Tali grew as a character in all three games. How Jack found herself a lodestone to keep her grounded and how they show her love for her biotic kids. Kasumi is still doing the things she does best and are capable on her own with or without the memory of Keiji. Samara giving a motherly touch and insight that was very similar to Javik. Even Ashley with all her misgivings, she did get what she want in the end, respect, spectre status and getting a drunken laid with the lieutenant. (Even in her death, she's still respected and honored) EDI proving herself over and over how synthetics can learn from organics and can have empathy. They're all empowered, confident women who isn't fully dependent on being in the proximity of the main character, who is really admirable on their own with qualities hardly seen in most games. 

 

except for Liara....... 

[Vanilka]

You wouldn't have sweated Jacob?  WHAT???  If I was in custody for 6 months and he was my only happy thought while I was there, then I got released to find he'd cheated,  I'd have dragged his sorry ass all the way over the Haestrom and nailed him to the ground so he could be slowly roasted by the incoming star.  

 

*ahem*  Also.  You're right about Shep's reaction to being brought back to life.  Finding out it's 2 weeks later for me, but 2 years later for my friends, would give me serious issues.  And why don't you try harder to contact Kaidan?  Or your mother if you're a Spacer?  You're just like 'hmmm...so what was I doing...oh yes I'll get back to that'.  Huh?  Pretty sure you should be having some kind of breakdown Shep.  I'm amazed Cerberus didn't give him/her mandatory psych evaluations every 3 hours, taking away his/her gun until they'd passed.  That's what would've happened in Law & Order.  

 

This is an issue with the writing. They blow Shepard up. They blow the Normandy up. They get rid of all Shepard's friends. But they never address how it affects Shepard as a person. You don't have an option to express Shepard feels distressed about it besides a rare joke here and there. There's basically no point to all the death and destruction because they fix it in the following ten minutes, then never go back to it again. When I roleplay my Shepard, I at least have her act more cold and ruthless to express it all affected her somehow, since that's the best I can do. (The fact Shepard doesn't even try all that much to contact Kaidan who, for my Shep, was basically the most important person in her life, given she doesn't even have a family, and then acts like "How you've been? Eh, whatever, who cares?" on Horizon and I can do nothing about it makes me just so upset. The fact Spacer Sheps don't even contact their mother... wow. Just wow.)

[ArcadiaGrey]

This is an issue with the writing. They blow Shepard up. They blow the Normandy up. They get rid of all Shepard's friends. But they never address how it affects Shepard as a person. You don't have an option to express Shepard feels distressed about it besides a rare joke here and there.There's basically no point to all the death and destructions because they fix it in the following ten minutes, then never go back to it again. When I roleplay my Shepard, I at least have her act more cold and ruthless to express it all affected her somehow, since that's the best I can do. (The fact Shepard doesn't even try all that much to contact Kaidan who, for my Shep, was basically the most important person in her life, given she doesn't even have a family, and then acts like "How you've been? Eh, whatever, who cares?" on Horizon and I can do nothing about it makes me just so upset. The fact Spacer Sheps don't even contact their mother... wow. Just wow.)

 

I know right.  

 

EDIT - I wrote this comment very clumsily so let's hope a re-write makes more sense....

 

I was trying to say that first time played I preferred ME2 to ME1.  Then when I played a second time I was surprised.  ME1 was even better, I understood the world more and learnt more things.  I was surprised when I got to ME2 as it just wasn't as good second time around.  There didn't seem to be much under the surface.  Perhaps what you said Vanilka is a part of that, maybe playing it again started to highlight the lack of depth in Shepard's writing.     

[themikefest]

I'm new to the series,

Do you know about this thread? You can post your playthroughs in that thread, if you like
 

I've done almost everything in the series.

Would you be willing to do a playthrough like this?

[Undead Han]

 

Still funny. Also relevant. 

[ArcadiaGrey]

 

Still funny. Also relevant. 

 

Poor Jacob, I'm starting to feel bad for him now....Meh, I'm sure I'll get over it. 

[themikefest]

Jacob might be the boring guy and all that, but he was the only one who provided cover fire for Shepard in ME3, if alive. The best part about that is he's an ME2 squadmate.

[Vanilka]

Jeez, that video makes me uncomfortable. Still funny, though. 

 

Jacob might be the boring guy and all that, but he was the only one who provided cover fire for Shepard in ME3, if alive. The best part about that is he's an ME2 squadmate.

 

That is very true. I noticed that, as well. It's Jacob (the single injured guy) who covers Shepard and it's Brynn (a possibly pregnant civilian) who jumps out of the Kodiak to help Shep back on their feet while the actual squadmates just stand there and watch. It's really... awkward.

[themikefest]

That is very true. I noticed that, as well. It's Jacob (the single injured guy) who covers Shepard and it's Brynn (a possibly pregnant civilian) who jumps out of the Kodiak to help Shep back on their feet while the actual squadmates just stand there and watch. It's really... awkward.

Its pathetic. What's the point of having  squadmates in ME3 if they can't provide cover fire for Shepard.

[Vanilka]

Its pathetic. What's the point of having  squadmates in ME3 if they can't provide cover fire for Shepard.

 

I appreciate all the work that was done to make them interesting characters, but I agree. I could live without seeing this again, as well. (It's twice as disappointing if your LI is in the party.) I'd expect the squadmates to be the first ones to jump to Shepard's defence, just as Shepard should and usually does jump to theirs. That's what they're trained for after all. That's their job. Yet the same thing happens in the Cerberus HQ. Kai Leng groaning and making all sorts of noise as he's crawling to Shepard from behind and the squadmates are staring out of the pretty big windows, not paying attention at all. Why does nobody guard the entrance in case there's more where Leng came from? (Why did nobody shoot Leng in the head knowing his history?) Even I can tell this is bullshit.

[straykat]

Jeez, that video makes me uncomfortable. Still funny, though. 

 

 

That is very true. I noticed that, as well. It's Jacob (the single injured guy) who covers Shepard and it's Brynn (a possibly pregnant civilian) who jumps out of the Kodiak to help Shep back on their feet while the actual squadmates just stand there and watch. It's really... awkward.

 

That chick is badass actually. Out of all the normal NPCs, I mean.

[Vanilka]

That chick is badass actually. Out of all the normal NPCs, I mean.

 

Damn right, she is.

[straykat]

Damn right, she is.

 

It's Ciri/female Hawke's voice too...

[themikefest]

That chick is badass actually. Out of all the normal NPCs, I mean.

 

Damn right, she is.

 

It's Ciri/female Hawke's voice too...

I would take her for a squadmate over any of the others after seeing what she did. Excellent. And yes. She voiced femHawke. Go Jo Wyatt. Excellent

[Vanilka]

It's female Hawke's voice too

 

True. I didn't notice during my first playthrough because it'd been ages since I played DAII. Somebody told me about it then and I was like, "WHAT?" I've replayed DAII recently, so my memory's better now. I've heard that if you have Jacob die, his substitute is actually manHawke...? If true, then that makes it even better.

 

It's funny how you end up hearing the same people in BW games. During my last playthrough of DAO, I noticed Ser Cauthrien is voiced by the same actress that voiced Samantha Traynor. I might not have even noticed if it wasn't for Dragon Age: Inquisition where I got to listen to that voice to my heart's content. (I've come to truly love Alix Wilton Regan's voice in Inquisition.)

[themikefest]

True. I didn't notice during my first playthrough because it'd been ages since I played DAII. Somebody told me about it then and I was like, "WHAT?" I've replayed DAII recently, so my memory's better now. I've heard that if you have Jacob die, his substitute is actually manHawke...? If true, then that makes it even better.

If Jacob is dead in ME3, Jo Wyatt gets more dialogue. Too bad she can't have that much if Jacob is around.
 

It's funny how you end up hearing the same people in BW games. During my last playthrough of DAO, I noticed Ser Cauthrien is voiced by the same actress that voiced Samantha Traynor. I might not have even noticed if it wasn't for Dragon Age: Inquisition where I got to listen to that voice to my heart's content. (I've come to truly love Alix Wilton Regan's voice in Inquisition.)

AWR did a very good job voicing Ser Cauthrien and Samantha as well as femquisitor. She also voiced Mhairi in Awakening dlc.

[straykat]

She does quite a few NPC voices in DA2 as well. Like a typical female kirkwaller voice. But she has variations when she does Coterie types.

[cap and gown]

I appreciate all the work that was done to make them interesting characters, but I agree. I could live without seeing this again, as well. (It's twice as disappointing if your LI is in the party.) I'd expect the squadmates to be the first ones to jump to Shepard's defence, just as Shepard should and usually does jump to theirs. That's what they're trained for after all. That's their job. Yet the same thing happens in the Cerberus HQ. Kai Leng groaning and making all sorts of noise as he's crawling to Shepard from behind and the squadmates are staring out of the pretty big windows, not paying attention at all. Why does nobody guard the entrance in case there's more where Leng came from? (Why did nobody shoot Leng in the head knowing his history?) Even I can tell this is bullshit.

 

Squad mates never watch Shepard's back. Look at that Asari commando taken over by the queen who thumps up to Shepard. (Of course, this scene also indicates that Shepard is at least partially deaf.)

[ArcadiaGrey]

Squad mates never watch Shepard's back. Look at that Asari commando taken over by the queen who thumps up to Shepard. (Of course, this scene also indicates that Shepard is at least partially deaf.)

 

Hah!  I just played that last night and was reminded of what you guys were saying.  Ash and Wrex seemed to just wander off and Shepard was suddenly completely unaware of his surroundings, even tho the Asari was thumping along dragging her feet.  Awkward.  

 

'Oh no we're totally safe now in this room with many doors at every corner from which lots of geth and asari commandos poured out of not 30 seconds ago.  Imma go chill over here Shep.'