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Squad mates never watch Shepard's back. Look at that Asari commando taken over by the queen who thumps up to Shepard. (Of course, this scene also indicates that Shepard is at least partially deaf.)

Forgot about that scene. That is bad.

 

Are there any times in ME2 where that happens? I don't recall at the moment.



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I appreciate all the work that was done to make them interesting characters, but I agree. I could live without seeing this again, as well. (It's twice as disappointing if your LI is in the party.) I'd expect the squadmates to be the first ones to jump to Shepard's defence, just as Shepard should and usually does jump to theirs. That's what they're trained for after all. That's their job. Yet the same thing happens in the Cerberus HQ. Kai Leng groaning and making all sorts of noise as he's crawling to Shepard from behind and the squadmates are staring out of the pretty big windows, not paying attention at all. Why does nobody guard the entrance in case there's more where Leng came from? (Why did nobody shoot Leng in the head knowing his history?) Even I can tell this is bullshit.

It happens a few times in ME3.

 

If Jack isn't in ME3, Ensign Pranley is killed because the squadmates didn't provide cover fire for Shepard who was helping get Rodriguez to the shuttle

 

It happens again when facing Ashley/Kaidan during the coup. Why couldn't they speak up when Udina says Shepard is working with Cerberus? One of them could say Shepard isn't working with Cerberus. They sure are quick with the trigger to shoot Ashley/Kaidan, but they can't say anything to Ashley/Kaidan? So much for being teammates.

 

And of course the saving the Cerberus scientists we see what happens.

 

These squadmates can be a LI. I would ask them why and then end the relationship right away since its clear they don't care and then kick them off the ship so that no after effects interfere with performance while on a mission

 

In ME2, it happens the other way. Remember the yagh throwing his desk? What happens? Shepard decides its more important to protect the asari and not the other squadmate, who could be a LI. If I was Garrus/Jacob/Thane/Tali/Miranda/Jack, I would end the relationship right away and have nothing more to do with Shepard. Its clear that he/she never cared.


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It happens a few times in ME3.

 

If Jack isn't in ME3, Ensign Pranley is killed because the squadmates didn't provide cover fire for Shepard who was helping get Rodriguez to the shuttle

 

It happens again when facing Ashley/Kaidan during the coup. Why couldn't they speak up when Udina says Shepard is working with Cerberus? One of them could say Shepard isn't working with Cerberus. They sure are quick with the trigger to shoot Ashley/Kaidan, but they can't say anything to Ashley/Kaidan? So much for being teammates.

 

And of course the saving the Cerberus scientists we see what happens.

 

These squadmates can be a LI. I would ask them why and then end the relationship right away since its clear they don't care and then kick them off the ship so that no after effects interfere with performance while on a mission

 

In ME2, it happens the other way. Remember the yagh throwing his desk? What happens? Shepard decides its more important to protect the asari and not the other squadmate, who could be a LI. If I was Garrus/Jacob/Thane/Tali/Miranda/Jack, I would end the relationship right away and have nothing more to do with Shepard. Its clear that he/she never cared.

 

Wow, I didn't know about Ensign Pranley. That's lame. As for the rest, that just drives me so mad. ME3 prefers to prioritise drama over common sense. A GREAT DEAL. (See pretty much the whole London mission, particularly the run to the beam and evac. I'm not even gonna start about the stupid argument over whether the door stays closed or not during the coup, or Shepard and co. watching Thane fight Leng and doing nothing.) And that makes me more and more upset with every following playthrough.

 
As for the yahg, my friend romanced Tali. He freaking loves that girl. He was pretty shocked when his Shepard went for Liara instead of Tali (Tali, with the helmet made of glass-like material or whatever that is, that could get into serious danger if that got broken.) who remained knocked out for the rest of the battle. I know Grunt says that quarians are tough, but come on. (Not to even mention all the hugging and touching with Liara. Awkward.)


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Honest question : Why is this romance so badly recognized?

PS : I barely have seen anything about it.

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Honest question : Why is this romance so badly recognized?

PS : I barely have seen anything about it.

 

ME3, maybe? 

 

What fans Jacob did have probably shifted their fandom to other characters after Bioware had him knock up Brynn Cole between games, even if Fem Shep was involved in a romance with him. 

 

That said he was the least popular LI of ME2 by far even before ME3, which is why his romance arc got axed for the third game. I think a lot of people just found his dialogue really cheesy. His romance arc before ME3 was pretty much meme fuel. 


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ME3, maybe? 
 
What fans Jacob did have probably shifted their fandom to other characters after Bioware had him knock up Brynn Cole between games, even if Fem Shep was involved in a romance with him. 
 
That said he was the least popular LI of ME2 by far even before ME3, which is why his romance arc got axed for the third game. I think a lot of people just found his dialogue really cheesy. His romance arc before ME3 was pretty much meme fuel.


That makes sense; just saw some vids, I agree now.

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I have occasionally wondered if "barf" might be a useful substitute-expletive, e.g., "Why the barf did they make FemShep sound flirtatious every time she tries to chat with Jacob?"

Just thought you all might like to know that.


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I like that if you don't talk immediately to Jacob and only did so after you did his loyalty quest, he would be cold and more serious than flirty.


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Honest question : Why is this romance so badly recognized?

PS : I barely have seen anything about it.

 

Being forced to act coquettish with him even though I really just want to be friendly. From what I've seen, no chemistry between him and Shepard if in romance. Immature and, as Han said, awkward to the point it's just painful to watch. Him confessing love to Shepard, only for her to catch him cheating in the following game because he can't keep it in his pants for even six months. Then he has the audacity to ask her how long he was supposed to be waiting or act like nothing happened or admit he still has feelings for her. Shep having no dialogue options to actually defend herself and tell him how much he hurt her (unless you have the Citadel DLC).


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I like that if you don't talk immediately to Jacob and only did so after you did his loyalty quest, he would be cold and more serious than flirty.

 

Is that a thing?   Well now I know what every femShep I ever make ever again will be doing.   :D



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I think the problem with this is that I've never seen Jacob acting flirty on his own. It's always Shepard who has that flirty tone even though you just want to talk and nothing more. Jacob seems to like keeping his distance, especially from the start. (Which is another problem with the romance, because at first he seems so unwilling it feels like Shepard is simply harassing him while trying to romance him. It's creepy.) Only after his loyalty mission, he finally treats me like a bro.

 

Next time I'll try what aoibhealfae suggested, though. I want to play gay Shep anyway and I'm curious.



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I think the problem with this is that I've never seen Jacob acting flirty on his own. It's always Shepard who has that flirty tone even though you just want to talk and nothing more. Jacob seems to like keeping his distance, especially from the start. (Which is another problem with the romance, because at first he seems so unwilling it feels like Shepard is simply harassing him while trying to romance him. It's creepy.) Only after his loyalty mission, he finally treats me like a bro.

 

Next time I'll try what aoibhealfae suggested, though. I want to play a gay Shep anyway and I'm curious.

 

Same here, next femShep is gay so there's no way she'll be flirting with him.  God it's annoying, if a commanding officer threw themselves at someone in their command like that they'd be dragged to one of those seminars in a flash.  Why why why why did they think that was okay?  IT'S NOT.

 

I was actually thinking of hating Cerberus and not talking to Jacob at all in that playthru so that could be another way to go.  He's gonna die.  But in the future I'll do his mission first before talking to him.


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You still have similar conversation but he won't assume you're interested in fraternizing with him like if you do when you talk to him frequently. He will talk about his short relationship with Miranda but its because of her role in supplying the information about the beacon and he won't assume you're interested in him. 


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The only time I talk to Jacob is when I want to get the armor upgrade and if I want to do his loyalty mission



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I was actually thinking of hating Cerberus and not talking to Jacob at all in that playthru so that could be another way to go.  He's gonna die.  But in the future I'll do his mission first before talking to him.

 

This is another thing that's annoying about it, actually - if you're playing Shepard as distrusting Cerberus (which I usually do), Jacob could actually be a friend, in that he doesn't really trust them either, whereas Shepard might be a little more wary of Miranda and some of the other Cerberus personnel. Instead I just stick to the right-side options on the dialogue wheel until after Jacob's loyalty mission to avoid the flirting. 



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But in the end, Miri sides with you against TIM. Jacob still go back to Cerberus. That's how was able to extract Dr Brynn Cole and the rest of the scientists out of Cerberus and into hiding in a Cerberus research base.



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I wish femshep had more human males to choose from. I've romanced Kaidan before but I don't think I could put myself through romancing Jacob. I hate even talking to him because of the forced weird flirtyness between them.  



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But in the end, Miri sides with you against TIM. Jacob still go back to Cerberus. That's how was able to extract Dr Brynn Cole and the rest of the scientists out of Cerberus and into hiding in a Cerberus research base.

 

I think Jacob knew Brynn before his assignment to the Normandy and she contacted him when she realized that she and her colleagues needed to get out of Cerberus. (At least, that's what the wiki says.) I suspect pretty much the entire Normandy crew were declared personae non gratae among Cerberus after the Collector Base, especially if Shepard destroys it - didn't the ME3 security videos on Cronos station establish that EDI had locked them out after the Base but before the ship was turned over to the Alliance? I doubt Jacob would have been allowed to return to the fold even if he wanted to, at least not without being watched very closely.


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