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[Seracen]

 

 

I think Sten and Bull wouldn't like each other at first at all -- there's such a huge gulf there, not least if your version of Bull saves the Chargers and leaves the Qun.  But I'd be fascinated to see the two of them together. I think they'd ultimately bond over the battles, the fights, the mayhem. What I would love to see? Bull converting Sten to leave the Qun. It wouldn't happen (especially since I suspect Sten may actually be revealed to be the current Arishok), but I would love to see it happen. Sten is so trapped and hampered by the Qun but he can't see it.

 

Zev and Bull, on the other hand? Would totally be a blast. They'd be so much fun together. And Zev and Sera I think would be a lot of fun too. Zev just has so much joy to him, and I think Sera would dig that.

 

Do you know who else I think would bond? Shale and Viv. Just think about it. The superiority. The girl-power. The quiet confidence that they are better and cooler than anyone else. The love of pretty things. (Come to think of it, Bull would probably like Shale too).

 

Can we make this happen? I just want a Dragon Age DLC in which EVERYONE jokes and talks and plays Wicked Grace. I love these characters.

 

Agreed on all counts.  Also, it'd be nice to see someone successfully act superior with Viv, lol!  The fantasy HK-47 would have as good a shot as any!

 

Now I'm trying to think what my favorite ensemble cast would be...it's difficult!  There aren't many that I'd leave out, honestly (though it'd be easier if some were relegated to NPC's I suppose).

[Neuro]

Well, of course! Merrill isn't popular like Cullen or Varric. I'm thinking now that DAI was such a success, BW will be willing to bring back characters that weren't liked much, like Fenris, Anders, Tallis. They kinda had to bring Sebastian back in some capacity, because of the plot line he gets requires immediate attention - he was so angry, so sitting around on his butt for however long would be an obvious mistake.

 

I think we'll see DA2 characters again, don't worry -- though not necessarily all companions.  All of this is speculation of course, but, for instance, I strongly believe Feynriel will make a reappearance in DA4.  He's a dreamer, you can send him to Tevinter, etc.  I know there's the option of turning him tranquil, but, I don't know-- I still feel like he'll come back.  

 

In terms of DA2 companions that may reappear, I feel like Fenris and Merrill are the most likely?  With both of them, there's a lot of story potential + room to grow.  

[biccs_pudding]

Now I'm trying to think what my favorite ensemble cast would be...it's difficult!  There aren't many that I'd leave out, honestly (though it'd be easier if some were relegated to NPC's I suppose).

 

I honestly think that I would have liked some DA2 companions if they were cast into a different party. For example I think Fenris would have worked better in DAI, especially with Dorian in the group, that would be some very serious moral conflict right there. And as much as I disliked Wynne as a person (she's a fine character though), I would have very much liked to see a dialogue between her and Solas. The Solas vs Vivienne banter was very amusing, but Viv was a bit too preoccupied with ad hominem and arrogant retorts instead of using her more reasonable pro-Circle points (which did push Solas into a corner at one point).

 

Other characters that absolutely must interact in an impossible dream game:

Sten - Iron Bull

Morrigan - Vivienne

Morrigan - Anders (I'm dying to know if this is what she had in mind when scrutinizing Circle mages for not rising up)

Zevran - Sera

Leliana - Isabela

Leliana - Sebastian

Shale - Cole (well basically Cole - everyone ever)

Alistair - Blackwall

Loghain - Blackwall

Merrill - Solas

Wynne - Cassandra

Aveline - Cassandra

Dog - Vivienne

[GoldenGail3]

Dog - Vivienne

ROLF!

[KaiserShep]

I honestly think that I would have liked some DA2 companions if they were cast into a different party. For example I think Fenris would have worked better in DAI, especially with Dorian in the group, that would be some very serious moral conflict right there. And as much as I disliked Wynne as a person (she's a fine character though), I would have very much liked to see a dialogue between her and Solas. The Solas vs Vivienne banter was very amusing, but Viv was a bit too preoccupied with ad hominem and arrogant retorts instead of using her more reasonable pro-Circle points (which did push Solas into a corner at one point).

 

Other characters that absolutely must interact in an impossible dream game:

Sten - Iron Bull

Morrigan - Vivienne

Morrigan - Anders (I'm dying to know if this is what she had in mind when scrutinizing Circle mages for not rising up)

Zevran - Sera

Leliana - Isabela

Leliana - Sebastian

Shale - Cole (well basically Cole - everyone ever)

Alistair - Blackwall

Loghain - Blackwall

Merrill - Solas

Wynne - Cassandra

Aveline - Cassandra

Dog - Vivienne

 

Lol, poor Vivi. 

 

I like this list. The only ones I feel would probably never have any conflict in their dialogue is Cole/whichever and Zevran/Sera. Some might balk at Cole's ability, but Cole is unfazed by things like insults or complaining, and Zev's too unelfy and easygoing, which Sera would probably like. I suppose Leliana/Sebastian might go like that too. I wonder about Aveline and Cassandra. On the surface they seem like peas in a pod.

[Dieb]

I wonder about Aveline and Cassandra. On the surface they seem like peas in a pod.

 

They could start a support group over all the Barbie-fy mods people released for their appearance.

[wright1978]

I think we'll see DA2 characters again, don't worry -- though not necessarily all companions.  All of this is speculation of course, but, for instance, I strongly believe Feynriel will make a reappearance in DA4.  He's a dreamer, you can send him to Tevinter, etc.  I know there's the option of turning him tranquil, but, I don't know-- I still feel like he'll come back.  

 

In terms of DA2 companions that may reappear, I feel like Fenris and Merrill are the most likely?  With both of them, there's a lot of story potential + room to grow.  

 

I personally hope DA2 companions remain off elsewhere doing their own thing with Hawke.

I thought Varric was somewhat lesser cut off from the gang that made him who he was.

I'm also influenced by the fact i don't want more lame excuses why a LI isn't with their love.

Fenris given his Tevinter ties is the one with the most reason but there's lots of complications give the fact he can be a slave with no memories again or free, free and with Hawke.

 

Might be interested to see Feynriel re-appear. Once again there are multiple fates to account for that would mean i can only see him being a smaller role if he did appear.

[vertigomez]

I honestly think that I would have liked some DA2 companions if they were cast into a different party. For example I think Fenris would have worked better in DAI, especially with Dorian in the group, that would be some very serious moral conflict right there. And as much as I disliked Wynne as a person (she's a fine character though), I would have very much liked to see a dialogue between her and Solas. The Solas vs Vivienne banter was very amusing, but Viv was a bit too preoccupied with ad hominem and arrogant retorts instead of using her more reasonable pro-Circle points (which did push Solas into a corner at one point).
 
Other characters that absolutely must interact in an impossible dream game:
Sten - Iron Bull
Morrigan - Vivienne
Morrigan - Anders (I'm dying to know if this is what she had in mind when scrutinizing Circle mages for not rising up)
Zevran - Sera
Leliana - Isabela
Leliana - Sebastian
Shale - Cole (well basically Cole - everyone ever)
Alistair - Blackwall
Loghain - Blackwall
Merrill - Solas
Wynne - Cassandra
Aveline - Cassandra
Dog - Vivienne

I'd add Bull - Fenris to this list. They both have a traumatic history on Seheron, a not-so-positive outlook on Tevinter, and Fenris is more familiar with the Qun than almost anybody in DA2, so I think it'd be interesting.

And, uh, you know Bull would approve of that fisting thing.

[biccs_pudding]

 

 I wonder about Aveline and Cassandra. On the surface they seem like peas in a pod.

 

They could barf on each other's Nutcracker dress in an act of professional respect.

[vertigomez]

They could barf on each other's Nutcracker dress in an act of professional respect.

I want an arm-wrestling competition.

[Akiza]

Inquisition by far. Most of the companions in Origins were unremarkable, and I didn't like most of them in 2. Whilst having characters to dislike isn't always a bad thing, it needs to be balanced out by having some that I do like.

 

Inquisition has a nice balance here, with some I love (Solas, Dorian, Cole), some I hate (Blackwell, Vivienne, Leiliana), and a bunch in the middle!

They were also unremarkable for me  in DAO and DAII (aside from Varric,Zevran,Isabela and Aveline) because i felt that in conversation each of them were too slanted on the "this is the character that embodies X issue"

The companions are better in DAI.

[CoM Solaufein]

DAI is the best for me. The characters are drawn out better and the romances are great. DAO a close second.

[Neuro]

Love the responses in this thread

 

For me, it's so hard to pick any one ensemble, but it would have to go as: DAI > DAO > DA2.  

 

DAO: The originals.  Morrigan, conflicted as my canon Warden ended up feeling for her, is such a great character.  Leliana, Alistair, Sten, too.  With the exception of Alistair throwing a tantrum if you don't immediately rush to execute Loghain, I love pretty much everything about Alistair.  Sten's story, like Blackwall's, is fascinating for the philosophical questions it brings about.  And of course, Zevran is endlessly entertaining, and his backstory is wonderful.  

 

I think one of the things that makes DAO stand out from the others (particularly DA2) is that each character's backstory is so well-developed and nuanced. 

The only DAO character with whom I never had strong feelings was Oghren and perhaps Shale-- but I picked up both of them late in the game, and never really had much time to get to know them, really.  

 

DA2: Not as strong perhaps-- particularly on the backstory for each character (we barely learn about what their lives were like previously, and how they got here)-- but still a great cast.  I love the character Anders, though him as a person-- not my fave.  Similarly, Fenris is a grouchy mage-hater, but he's hilarious and I loved his backstory (one of the few).  And, of course, Isabela.  Isabela's quote "Our mistakes make us who we are," might be one of my favorite character lines in all of the DA universe.  It's particularly poignant that she says it in banter with Anders-- who is more identified by his rights/wrongs than Anders?  

 

I liked all the other characters, of course, but never connected with them the way I did with those above, or at all like those I did in DAO and DAI.  

 

DAI: The first one I played.  Dorian is probably one of my favorite VG characters ever, Cassandra is my favorite LI in the DA series, and Varric is even stronger in DAI, imo.  Oh, and, um this minor character named SOLAS aka BEST EVER.  

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I felt betrayed by Solas on some level by the end of Trespasser, but I still love him so, and as I go through another PT, that initial feeling of hurt has passed and evolved into understanding, and I'm back in love with him.  Re-exploring with him, you see how he almost wants to tell you, and he strives to do right.  

Also, his location-specific comments, and his general philosophy on life is pretty much everything I agree with.  I disagreed with him on one or two quests, but other than that, Solas is like bromance 500 for my Inquisitor.

Cole is fascinating-- someone above commented on how they use him as a narrative device to develop backstories, right on, that's brilliant.  

Blackwall's banters are wonderful ("there can only be one" with Sera is amazing), and his character raises such interesting philosophical debates.  I still go back and forth on them in my head.

The only character I can never warm up to (can anyone?  I'm genuinely asking, I would love a reason to like her/sympathize with her) is Vivienne, and I tried so hard to like her.  I put her in my party in my most recent PT and her first banter, she insulted Varric for no reason whatsoever, in her typical fashion. GET OUT VIV.  YOU'RE GONE NOW.  Also,

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would love to see her face when she realizes that the elven hedge mage who she looks upon scornfully for not having attended a Circle is UM AN ELVEN DEMI-GOD WHO CREATED THE VEIL.  CREATED.  THE.  VEIL.

But seriously, I can't find anything likable out her, and I'm trying.  

The banters in DAI are so strong, too.  Solas and Iron Bull discussing politics and philosophy (and playing chess!), Cole eventually growing on Cassandra, Dorian & Sera realizing they love each other, etc.  It's all so lovely and wonderful, and I love how the relationships grow throughout the story.  

 

tl;dr: I love all of DA , cheers 

[Zikade]

There's something I like about each and every companion the series has introduced, but in DA2 I had issues with how they were implemented. You could only interact with your companions through triggered "missions" and all the conversations were pathetically brief. You can't branch out the dialogue and ask them to tell about themselves; really get to know them. Thus they often came across as some sort of archetypes who have this one set tone. With Anders it was all about the mage rebellion. With Fenris, it was all about his past. Some companions got it better than others but the issue is still there. I did like it though that they had their own storylines and interests and their lives didn't just revolve around Hawke.

 

I'm struggling to choose between DA:O and DA:I. I think DA:I has a very well balanced cast and some areas are vastly improved (romances for example) but in DA:O I really liked how they could impact mission cutscenes. Like, getting past templar Carroll because Sten gives him cookies, Morrigan scares him, etc. They also could have pretty active banter with each other during different scenes.

I think I'm leaning towards DA:I though since the mechanics feel more natural. No drowning them in gifts to score more approval or falling in love after one flirt. I also really like how I kind of have to... figure out certain characters. 

[Seracen]

I honestly think that I would have liked some DA2 companions if they were cast into a different party. For example I think Fenris would have worked better in DAI, especially with Dorian in the group, that would be some very serious moral conflict right there. And as much as I disliked Wynne as a person (she's a fine character though), I would have very much liked to see a dialogue between her and Solas. The Solas vs Vivienne banter was very amusing, but Viv was a bit too preoccupied with ad hominem and arrogant retorts instead of using her more reasonable pro-Circle points (which did push Solas into a corner at one point).

 

Other characters that absolutely must interact in an impossible dream game:

Sten - Iron Bull

Morrigan - Vivienne

Morrigan - Anders (I'm dying to know if this is what she had in mind when scrutinizing Circle mages for not rising up)

Zevran - Sera

Leliana - Isabela

Leliana - Sebastian

Shale - Cole (well basically Cole - everyone ever)

Alistair - Blackwall

Loghain - Blackwall

Merrill - Solas

Wynne - Cassandra

Aveline - Cassandra

Dog - Vivienne

 

 

Hah, love your disdain for Viv.  The more she spoke in patry banter, the more I grew to dislike her.  I was always cordial, of course.  A shrewd Inquisitor always had her respect, if not her approval.  Viv being raised to Divine was always the definition of power corrupting absolutely, IMO (someone that certain in their own convictions being blind to the needs of others).  Dorian was much better at being pompous without being a demeaning bastard.

 

Never really had that large an issue with Wynn, especially if you did her side-quest, it mellowed her out a bit.  I imagine the events of the subsequent games might polarize her more, although whether towards the Viv or Solas end of the spectrum would be interesting.

 

Lol, poor Vivi. 

 

I like this list. The only ones I feel would probably never have any conflict in their dialogue is Cole/whichever and Zevran/Sera. Some might balk at Cole's ability, but Cole is unfazed by things like insults or complaining, and Zev's too unelfy and easygoing, which Sera would probably like. I suppose Leliana/Sebastian might go like that too. I wonder about Aveline and Cassandra. On the surface they seem like peas in a pod.

 

Some fun combos there, for certain!

 

I'd add Bull - Fenris to this list. They both have a traumatic history on Seheron, a not-so-positive outlook on Tevinter, and Fenris is more familiar with the Qun than almost anybody in DA2, so I think it'd be interesting.

And, uh, you know Bull would approve of that fisting thing.

 

Bull/Fen/Dorian would certainly make for awesome drama in the next game, assuming it happens and takes place in Tevinter!  Sera's comments on any potential "jousting" would be positively hilarious!

 

For that matter, Isabela/Sera would probably make for the raunchiest of joke circles.  Add in Varric for added snark, lol! 

[Nefla]

Judging it as a whole I picked DA2 since I felt strongly about every character (either loved or hated) and all of them seemed more involved in the plot. DA:O had some great characters like Alistair and Morrigan(who were also connected to the plot) but also some lackluster ones like Wynne, Oghren, and the dog. DA:I had some fun characters but even the ones I liked didn't feel that fleshed out and felt disconnected from the plot and kind of like caricatures than well rounded characters. Not bad but I dunno, not that great either. Then you had characters like Sera who feels like a cross between a cartoon character and a fanfiction heroine and Blackwall who just fades into the background.

[kal_reegar]

DA2 > DA:O > DA:I

 

but they are all very close.

 

My "dream team" would be

 

warriors

OGHREN

FENRIS

STEN

 

rogues

VARRIC

ISABELA

NATHANIEL

 

mages

DORIAN

MORRIGAN

VIVIENNE

 

 

 

I'd like to hear the dialogue between Oghren-Isabela, Dorian-Fenris and Morrigan-Vivienne

[biccs_pudding]

Hah, love your disdain for Viv.  The more she spoke in patry banter, the more I grew to dislike her.  I was always cordial, of course.  A shrewd Inquisitor always had her respect, if not her approval.  Viv being raised to Divine was always the definition of power corrupting absolutely, IMO (someone that certain in their own convictions being blind to the needs of others).  Dorian was much better at being pompous without being a demeaning bastard.

 

Actually, I don't dislike Viv at all, quite the opposite. There's just something about funny-b:tchy/funny-jerk characters that I find amusing by default. That includes said characters getting burned by others hard. I even switched her to be my canon Divine just for the spa scene in Trespasser, I just couldn't not. Plus I honestly think she has valid points for reforming the Circle system, even if she as a person is a hypocrite and whatnot, but one does not need to be an angel to entertain me I guess. Sten was also one of my sweethearts back in the day, can't resist that lovely deadpan humor, murdered family or not.

In Dorian I was a bit disappointed, both personalitywise and contentwise. I was initially excited to dive headfirst into Tevinter lore through him, only to have almost none of that. The gay insecurity trope wasn't all that interesting to me, though I understand what it means to a lot of others. Btw, did no companion have any issue with him essentially being pro-slavery or did I miss something?

 

Speaking of the chemistry of ensembles, Flemeth managing to successfully stabalize her status as DA's biggest troll regardless of the different rosters she encounters is probably my favorite thing in this franchise.

[diaspora2k5]

DAO has the highest highs, but also the lowest lows imo. I rolled DAI for being more balanced.

[CoM Solaufein]

DAO has Sten. That's all the favorite you need from that game.

[Catilina]

DAO has Sten. That's all the favorite you need from that game.

Do you like Sten?

[Seracen]

Actually, I don't dislike Viv at all, quite the opposite. There's just something about funny-b:tchy/funny-jerk characters that I find amusing by default. That includes said characters getting burned by others hard. I even switched her to be my canon Divine just for the spa scene in Trespasser, I just couldn't not. Plus I honestly think she has valid points for reforming the Circle system, even if she as a person is a hypocrite and whatnot, but one does not need to be an angel to entertain me I guess. Sten was also one of my sweethearts back in the day, can't resist that lovely deadpan humor, murdered family or not.

In Dorian I was a bit disappointed, both personalitywise and contentwise. I was initially excited to dive headfirst into Tevinter lore through him, only to have almost none of that. The gay insecurity trope wasn't all that interesting to me, though I understand what it means to a lot of others. Btw, did no companion have any issue with him essentially being pro-slavery or did I miss something?

 

Speaking of the chemistry of ensembles, Flemeth managing to successfully stabalize her status as DA's biggest troll regardless of the different rosters she encounters is probably my favorite thing in this franchise.

 

I suppose it speaks to the strength of the writing when character interactions can completely change my perspective on a character.  I was a VIv fan prior to Trespasser and some of those banters, lol!

 

I can see your points concerning Dorian though.  And Morrigan certainly inherited Flemeth's snark, but there's no out-trolling the master, haha!  Capt. Janeway takes no mess!

[sniper_arrow]

In Dorian I was a bit disappointed, both personalitywise and contentwise. I was initially excited to dive headfirst into Tevinter lore through him, only to have almost none of that. The gay insecurity trope wasn't all that interesting to me, though I understand what it means to a lot of others. Btw, did no companion have any issue with him essentially being pro-slavery or did I miss something?

 

It wasn't mentioned that Dorian was pro-slavery, but Solas did pointed out his reluctance to let go of that:

 

Dorian: Solas, for what it's worth, I'm sorry.

Dorian: The elven city of Arlathan sounds like a magical place, and for my ancestors to have destroyed it...

Solas: Dorian... hush.

Solas: Empires rise and fall. Arlathan was no more "innocent" than your own Tevinter in its time.

Solas: Your nostalgia for the ancient elves, however romanticized, is pointless.

Solas: If you wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today.

Dorian: I... don't know that I can do that.

Solas: Then how sorry are you?

[CoM Solaufein]

Do you like Sten?

Love his dry humor and his ignorance in cultures.

[Catilina]

Love his dry humor and his ignorance in cultues.

Yes! Sten have humour. And dont boring. Yay, i'm not alone!