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The update so far:

 

- Qunari invasion in the north.

- Orlais and Ferelden undermining the Inquisition in the south. 

- Solas attempting to tear the Veil somewhere.

- Two Archdemons waiting to be released.

- Six Magisters that might be found and freed.

- Order of Grey Wardens weakened or gone extinct.

 

 

Well...****.



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Smells like Teen Spirit. I'm in.
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- Six Magisters that might be found and freed.

- Order of Grey Wardens weakened or gone extinct.

 

- maybe the magisters are five (if the Architect was one of them and if you killed him)

 

- why is that so? There are rumors about Weisshaupt, but they GW stationed aroud Thedas are many, and they seems to benefit of great indipendence from Weisshaupt.


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why is that so? There are rumors about Weisshaupt, but they GW stationed aroud Thedas are many, and they seems to benefit of great indipendence from Weisshaupt.

 

One of the Epilogues of DA:I shows the Order rebuilding, the other shows it becoming extinct. Happens if you exile them. 



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One of the Epilogues of DA:I shows the Order rebuilding, the other shows it becoming extinct. Happens if you exile them. 

 

That's quite the assumption. There is no sign of them becoming extinct. More like the order will become fractured, with different groups trying to pursue a different ideal or goal. Slay the last two Old Gods before the next blight. Act as an Order like the Inquisition. Do what they tried to do last time and try to take control again. Right there are three examples of which different groups within the Order could make priority over anything else. This would likely cause infighting, thus scattering the Wardens even further than before. They'd lose their organisation, and their effectiveness in tackling a blight, but the order wouldn't be extinct.



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If Wardens are banished and Hawke is alive:

 

If Hawke reaches Weisshaupt with them is unknown. Indeed, before long, all news out of Weisshaupt ends. Slowly, the Wardens withdraw from across the north as well.

Some believe the ancient order is on the verge of vanishing forever.

 

 

 

So it's not an assumption, but one of the possible endings.



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- maybe the magisters are five (if the Architect was one of them and if you killed him)

If the Architect is a magister then wouldn't killing him in Awakening have been for naught anyways since Utha was with him and could have allowed him to pull a Corypheus and resurrect after the battle? Also wasn't the Architect being a magister confirmed by one of the writers at one point?



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If Wardens are banished and Hawke is alive:
 
If Hawke reaches Weisshaupt with them is unknown. Indeed, before long, all news out of Weisshaupt ends. Slowly, the Wardens withdraw from across the north as well.
Some believe the ancient order is on the verge of vanishing forever.
 


Things that "some believe" have a way of not always being true, of course.

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If the Architect is a magister then wouldn't killing him in Awakening have been for naught anyways since Utha was with him and could have allowed him to pull a Corypheus and resurrect after the battle? Also wasn't the Architect being a magister confirmed by one of the writers at one point?

 

I know the question wasn't for me, but please allow me to give my opinion on this. This is a part of the lore which I'm interested in:

 

Idk if there's indeed any explicit confirmation from the writers. So far, I've only read idle fan speculation based on a vague statement D. Gaider made in an interview comparing Corypheus's role as a villain and the Architect's.

 

What I do know is that in the 2nd Volume of The World of Thedas there's a small text next to a drawing of the Architect which states "the ancient darkspawn might have had some role in the corruption of the Golden City".

 

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There might be more in the book concerning the Architect. This is just page 1 of 3 from the Awakening chapter, I believe.


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The Architect was a magister.

We have a David Gaider interview saying Archi and Cory are the same type of creatures.

Archi and Cory looks the same.

We have a codex in DAI talking about darkspawn looking human like and talking about a catastrophe and killing each others.

In WOT2 , one of the magister going in the Golden City was the Architect of Beauty , priest of Urthemiel.Let's remember the Architect in DAA says he woke Urthemiel up by accident.

So yeah same title , same god , unique darkspawn looking like that one magister of old but oooh let's not jump to conclusion , it could be a coincidence.Or not.


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Also Orlais and Ferelden are recovering from the breach and the mage-templar war with the possibility with bands of demons likely still roaming the countryside in places causing chaos while they trying to undermine the inquisition and their own internal political issues.

 

Another thing is the Navarran king is extremely old with no clear heir, a extremely large royal clan and some powerful nobles who think the royal clan has perhaps ruled for too long setting the stage for whats likely to be a multi-front civil war with the possbility of armies of both the living and the dead waging war across the land.



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We have a David Gaider interview saying Archi and Cory are the same type of creatures.

 

Oh, Maker, not this again...



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Oh, Maker, not this again...

 

What's the problem with that?

I mean when people go I wonder if Archi is a magister I also cry inside , it reminds me of the people who were sure Cory was dead and there was nothing weird with Larius , just people seeings "things".

At this point we have a dev saying Cori and Archi are the same.

Those two sharing a  model as unique darkspawn.

HUGE hints in WOT2.

And here we go again people go"mmmm nope , I'm still really not sure .It proves nothing"



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It's pretty obvious that the architect is a magister. His friggin robes are named after one of the old gods. I wonder if the Warden knew that though, like Archie had it stitched in the underwear.
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I would not worry about the other magisters, besides The Architect. They're likely dead, having either killed each other or been killed by their fellow darkspawn.

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To my knowledge, the closest in-universe connection made between the Architect and the Magisters is on page 119 of WOT2. In an "unsigned Grey Warden report" in which the writer speculates: "I'm reminded of tales of the original Tevinter magisters who entered the Golden City and were cast back down as the very first darkspawn. Could this Architect be one of them? Could he be a ghoul, made immortal by the taint and yet unable to remember what he once was?" 

 

The WOT is from an in-universe perspective so it is not going to give a definitive answer. Personally, until we get further information, given Gaider's interview and the Architect's similarities with Corypheus, I feel comfortable in believing that the Architect was one of the original Magisters.



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If the Architect is a magister then wouldn't killing him in Awakening have been for naught anyways since Utha was with him and could have allowed him to pull a Corypheus and resurrect after the battle? Also wasn't the Architect being a magister confirmed by one of the writers at one point?

Yes. Also, it wouldn't matter if Utha was there or not because Morrigan says there is no limit to the range of Cory's body hopping ability, so there is likely no limit to Architect's.

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Don't forget there is something else stirring below the Deep Roads.   The earthquakes may have stopped but that doesn't mean the titan has stopped taking an interest.  With everything we learnt in Trespasser about the connection between Mythal, Solas, the evanuris and the titans, that has to figure somewhere either next game or the one after.



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Don't forget there is something else stirring below the Deep Roads.   The earthquakes may have stopped but that doesn't mean the titan has stopped taking an interest.  With everything we learnt in Trespasser about the connection between Mythal, Solas, the evanuris and the titans, that has to figure somewhere either next game or the one after.

 

And there's the "snake " people or whatever.Not sure if this will ever go somewhere but that cult of strange humanoid who were into sacrifice and fire was weird.

 

Also DAI started the whole "Those Across the Sea" , again totally mysterious except they spy on Thedas , seem ruthless and know some secret lore.


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And there's the "snake " people or whatever.Not sure if this will ever go somewhere but that cult of strange humanoid who were into sacrifice and fire was weird.

 

Also DAI started the whole "Those Across the Sea" , again totally mysterious except they spy on Thedas , seem ruthless and know some secret lore.

Seriously, what's up with this?

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Who are you, snake people?!

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Seriously, what's up with this?

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I think we all know what's going on here. :whistle:

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First crack at hybridizing dragons and humanoids, maybe?  



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I thought of Neverwinter Nights immediately. X)



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First crack at hybridizing dragons and humanoids, maybe?


I thought about this. WoT says the originally kossith might not bear any resemblance to the qunari of today, and the Fex are a sapient race said to inhabit Par Vollen...

I thought of Neverwinter Nights immediately. X)


At least there are no githyanki... yet. :lol: