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Nimlowyn

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I thought about this. WoT says the originally kossith might not bear any resemblance to the qunari of today, and the Fex are a sapient race said to inhabit Par Vollen...


At least there are no githyanki... yet. :lol:

But now you face Morag, Queen of the Old Ones, High Priestess of the Creators! Kneel, slave, and I shall let you live! 

 

Maker, nooooooo. X)


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ModernAcademic

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What's the problem with that?

I mean when people go I wonder if Archi is a magister I also cry inside , it reminds me of the people who were sure Cory was dead and there was nothing weird with Larius , just people seeings "things".

At this point we have a dev saying Cori and Archi are the same.

Those two sharing a  model as unique darkspawn.

HUGE hints in WOT2.

And here we go again people go"mmmm nope , I'm still really not sure .It proves nothing"

 

The problem is when the fans consider an interpretation of a collection of statements to lead to only possible conclusion and then force that conclusion down the fanbase's throat as the truth.

 

FACT

The Architect is an ancient darkspawn with no memory of how he was born. 

In the work where he is originally depicted for the first time in the lore (The Calling), he looks like a common Emissary, rather than looking human.

Later, Wonders of Thedas introduces the notion that he has some mysterious connection to the corruption of the Golden City.

 

FAN THEORY

The Architect is a magister because 1) His basic appearance IN GAME is similar to Corypheus. 2) He looks human IN GAME. 3) He found Urthemiel. 4) One of the Magisters was called the Architect of Beauty.

 

First, he DOESN'T look human in his original design. Second, the term Golden City is used by the Chantry when referring to the Black City. Remember Corypheus makes it clear they already found the city to be black and corrupt when they entered the Fade. Whether this was the Architect's doing, we have no way of knowing.

 

What we have are contradictory facts, not a solid theory. If the Architect had been depicted in the game as he is shown in the book - an ordinary emissary -, people would never associate him with a Magister. 

 

 

So here's a SECOND theory about his true identity, just to show how the fans can make ANY sort of deduction from what BW has revealed so far:

 

The Architect of Beauty was trapped in the Black City for centuries until his conscience reached an emissary in the Fade through the taint. The creature's conscience was then awakened, which explains why the Architect has no recollection of how he was born. 

 

He then tried to communicate with the creature, much like an Archdemon does, but failed. All it remembered was a name: Architect. Thus the emissary took his identity for his own and tried to find a way to free his people, just like he was freed.

 

Completely plausible and explains the MAJOR difference between Corypheus and the Architect: one remembers who he is because he's a Magister. The other doesn't because he's always been a darkspawn.

 

Now prove my theory wrong.



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VorexRyder

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Who are you, snake people?!

Krogan!


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The problem is when the fans consider an interpretation of a collection of statements to lead to only possible conclusion and then force that conclusion down the fanbase's throat as the truth.

 

FACT

The Architect is an ancient darkspawn with no memory of how he was born. 

In the work where he is originally depicted for the first time in the lore (The Calling), he looks like a common Emissary, rather than looking human.

Later, Wonders of Thedas introduces the notion that he has some mysterious connection to the corruption of the Golden City.

 

FAN THEORY

The Architect is a magister because 1) His basic appearance IN GAME is similar to Corypheus. 2) He looks human IN GAME. 3) He found Urthemiel. 3) One of the Magisters was called the Architect of Beauty.

 

First, he DOESN'T look human in his original design. Second, the term Golden City is used by the Chantry when referring to the Black City. Remember Corypheus makes it clear they already found the city to be black and corrupt when they entered the Fade. Whether this was the Architect's doing, we have no way of knowing.

 

What we have are contradictory facts, not a solid theory. If the Architect had been depicted in the game as he is shown in the book - an ordinary emissary -, people would never associate him with a Magister. 

 

 

So here's a SECOND theory about his true identity, just to show how the fans can make ANY sort of deduction from what BW has revealed so far:

 

The Architect of Beauty was trapped in the Black City for centuries until his conscience reached an emissary in the Fade through the taint. The creature's conscience was then awakened, which explains why the Architect has no recollection of how he was born. 

 

He then tried to communicate with the creature, much like an Archdemon does, but failed. All it remembered was a name: Architect. Thus the emissary took his identity for his own and tried to find a way to free his people, just like he was freed.

 

Completely plausible and explains the MAJOR difference between Corypheus and the Architect: one remembers who he is because he's a Magister. The other doesn't because he's always been a darkspawn.

 

Now prove my theory wrong.

Corypheus was sleeping for a long time, marinating in the Taint. DA:2 Cory didn't chest burst from Wardens like DA:I's Red Lyrium + Orb boosted Cory. Neural degeneration is probably a thing among Mag Sids that weren't found and sealed by GWs, but instead were hanging around the Deep Roads fighting and eating each other, body-hopping every time they die and slowly turning their new Darkspawn bodies into their Mag Sid bodies, sort of how Dumat body-hopped yet his body didn't immediately turn into an Archdemon, but spent some time as a Darkspawn.

 

 

PS: The term is hypothesis./pedantic


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#30
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I am uncertain about the architect being the same as the magister with the same name though I seem t recall the codexes stated that Corypheus was thought to be a emissary himself when the wardens first captured him wondering on the surface and imprisoned him.

 

I would note though that Corypheus claims about the city already being black can't be nessearly be trusted value given Corypheus also boasts about how he walked the golden halls which would be impossible to do if the city was already black. He also does things like claim the maker doesn't exist but in his own memory stones only views the maker as a absent deity not worthy of worship because it does not answer the people's prayers like the old gods did.