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[ComedicSociopathy]

I've been ridiculously bored this Christmas season and decided to waste time by re-imaging the Inquisition's companions as Dungeons and Dragons gods.

 

I desperately need to find better hobbies, I know. 

 

Title(s): Cassandra, The Believer, Right Hand of the Divine, Lady Seeker, The Seeker of Truth, The Hero of Orlais

Alignment(s): Lawful Good

Symbol: The watchful eye of the Seekers

Portfolio: Duty, Faith, Truth, Romance

Domains: Good, Justice, Law, Protection

Common Worshippers: Investigators, Romantics, Seekers of Truth, Templars, Knights

Favored Weapon: Longsword

Sacred Animal: Bears

Sacred Colors: Black and White

Allies: Cole, Iron Bull, Solas, Vivienne

Enemies/Rivalries: Dorian, Varric

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals: Writ of the Divine (holy text), Dawn of the Seeker (story), The War Against the Elder One (epic saga)

 

 

Title(s): Blackwall, The Resolve, Thom Rainer, Father Wintersend, Old Broody Beard (mildly derogatory), The Wandering Warden

Alignment: Neutral Good

Symbol: A grey griffin

Portfolio: Chivalry, Redemption, Sacrifice, Toys

Domains: Good, Protection, War

Common Worshippers: Children, Grey Wardens, Heroes, Knights

Favored Weapon: Longsword

Sacred Animal: Dogs

Sacred Colors: Blue and Grey

Allies: Iron Bull, Sera, Cole, Varric, Solas

Enemies/Rivalries: Vivienne, Dorian

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals: Maxims of the Grey (holy text), The Redemption of Thom Rainier (story), Oh Grey Warden (song)

 

 

 

Title(s): The Iron Bull, The Muscle, Hissard, The Ridden Bull, Dragonsbane

Alignment: Lawful Neutral

Symbol: A steel bull

Portfolio: Bloodlust, Dragons, Pleasure, Warfare

Domains: Charm, Strength, Treachery, War

Common Worshippers: Mercenaries, Rejects, Spies, Warriors

Favored Weapon: Two-Handed Axe (The Bull's Edge)

Sacred Animal: Bulls

Sacred Colors: Grey and Red

Allies: Almost Everyone

Enemies/Rivalries: Solas

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals: Horn's Up (story), Fifty Shades of Bull (exotic fiction), Tome of Koslun (holy text)

 

Title(s): Sera, The Wild Card, Red Jenny, The People's Vengeance, Andruil (hotly debated), Fenedhis Lasa (derogatory)

Alignment: Chaotic Good

Symbol: An elven woman with a grin  

Portfolio: Commoners, Pranks, Profanity, Revenge, Thievery

Domains: Chaos, Freedom, Retribution, Trickery, Vengeance

Common Worshippers: Criminals, Peasants, Rejects, Thieves, Friends of Red Jenny

Favored Weapon: Longbow

Sacred Animal: Bees

Sacred Colors: Red and Yellow

Allies: Blackwall, Iron Bull, Dorian

Enemies/Rivalries: Cole, Solas, Varric, Vivienne

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals: Sera Was Never (song), Sera's Past and Now Things (journal), Sera's Cookbook of Simple Tasty Things (holy text and cookbook)

 

 

Title(s): Cole, The Spirit, Compassion, The Ghost of the White Spire, The Angel of Mercy, The Friendly Ghost  

Alignment: Chaotic Good

Symbol: An emaciated boy with a odd hat  

Portfolio: Compassion, Empathy, Memory, Mercy 

Domains: Good, Retribution

Common Worshipers: Altruists, The Dying, The Suffering

Favored Weapon: Daggers (Forgive and Forget)

Sacred Animal: Mice

Sacred Colors: Brown and White

Allies: Almost Everyone

Enemies/Rivalries: None

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals:  Asunder (story), The Many Strange Musings of Cole (holy text)

 

 

Title(s): Varric, The Storyteller, Uncle Talltale, Co-God of Kirkwall, The Un-Dwarf

Alignment: Chaotic Good

Symbol: His favored weapon Bianca  

Portfolio: Chance, Cities, Gambling, Stories

Domains: Charm, Trickery

Common Worshipers: City Dwellers, Merchants, Storytellers, Surface Dwarves

Favored Weapon: Crossbow (Bianca)

Sacred Animal: Foxes

Sacred Colors: Brown and Red

Allies: Blackwall, Iron Bull, Cole, Dorian, Hawke

Enemies/Rivalries: Cassandra

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals: Hard in Hightown (story), Champion of Kirkwall (story), Swords and Shields (story)

 

 

Title(s): Dorian, The Redeemer, The Prince of Wit, The Hero of Tevinter, The Good Magister

Alignment: Neutral Good

Symbol: A pair of coiling black dragons

Portfolio: Talent, Confidence, Reform, Wit

Domains: Charm, Magic, Nobility

Common Worshipers: Mages, Nobles, Reformers

Favored Weapon: Staff

Sacred Animal: Peacocks

Sacred Colors: Brown and White

Allies: Iron Bull (romantic), Cole, Sera, Varric, Solas

Enemies/Rivalries: Blackwall, Vivienne

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals:  The Lucerni Arcana(holy text), Temptations of Blood (story)

 

Title(s): Vivienne, The Ambition, Madame de Fer, Grand Enchanter, Lady Opulent, The Mistress of the Grand Game

Alignment: Lawful Neutral

Symbol: A white spire

Portfolio: Ambition, Authority, Intrigue, Wealth

Domains: Magic, Nobility, Trickery

Common Worshipers: Advisors, Mages, Nobles

Favored Weapon: Staff

Sacred Animal: Cats

Sacred Colors: Blue and White

Allies: Cassandra, Iron Bull

Enemies/Rivalries: Blackwall, Cole, Dorian, Sera, Solas  

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals:  Enchanters (song), The Secrets and Intrigues of the Grand Game (holy text)

 

Title(s): Solas, The Mind, Fen'Harel, The God of Rebellion, Lord of Tricksters, He Who Hunts Alone, The Enemy of the Gods

Alignment: Chaotic Good

Symbol: A white wolf

Portfolio: Wolves, Dreams, Free Will, Rebellion

Domains: Freedom, Magic, Liberation, Knowledge, Trickery

Common Worshipers: Educators, Elves, Historians, Mages, Rebels

Favored Weapon: Staff

Sacred Animal: Wolves

Sacred Colors: Brown, Green and White

Allies: Blackwall, Cassandra, Cole, Dorian, Varric

Enemies/Rivalries: The Evanuris, Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne 

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals: The Dread Wolf (song), The First Betrayal (story), The Slow Arrow (story), The Noble and the and the Dread (story), The Second Betrayal (story), The Truth of the Divine (holy text) 

 

​I can't be bothered to do the advisers. Anyone want to take a crack at Cullen, Leliana and Josephine or maybe criticize some of companion's alignments?  

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I feel like Solas would qualify as Chaotic Neutral on the D & D alignment chart.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I feel like Solas would qualify as Chaotic Neutral on the D & D alignment chart.

 

Post Trespasser I could definitely see being the case.

 

That said, I've always read Chaotic Neutral characters as staunch individuals who only care about their own freedom and individualism while being indifferent everyone else's, which seems more akin to Friendship Isabela or Zervan than it does Solas whose adamant about helping others but also incredibly cynical about powerful organizations.

[Potato Cat]

 

Title(s): Vivienne, The Ambition, Madame de Fer, Grand Enchanter, Lady Opulent, The Mistress of the Grand Game

Sacred Animal: Cats

 

 

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[Lady Artifice]

I enjoyed reading it. 

 

The only thing I protest is classifying Dorian and Vivienne as rivals. They like to throw barbs, but they both have too much fun doing it to qualify as genuine opposition. 

[vertigomez]

I love this. Do you take commissions? Because I so need to see Aveline up there.

Loling forever at Fifty Shades of Bull.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I enjoyed reading it. 

 

The only thing I protest is classifying Dorian and Vivienne as rivals. They like to throw barbs, but they both have too much fun doing it to qualify as genuine opposition. 

 

Yeah, I got that too but I thought they were friendly rivals at best. Plus Vivienne isn't at Dorian's away party in Trespasser. 

[Lady Artifice]

Yeah, I got that too but I thought they were friendly rivals at best. Plus Vivienne isn't at Dorian's away party in Trespasser. 

 

A very good point. In any case, it was a fun read. I'll think about giving some other characters a try. Maybe Dagna. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

I love this. Do you take commissions? Because I so need to see Aveline up there.

Loling forever at Fifty Shades of Bull.

 

Sure, why not.

 

Title(s): Aveline, The Immovable, The Goddess of the Guard, The Knight of Kirkwall

Alignment(s): Lawful Good

Symbol: an orange shield

Portfolio: Guardsmen, Honesty, Integrity, THE LAW!!!

Domains: Good, Justice, Law, Protection, Rune (Legislation), War

Common Worshipers: City Dwellers, City Guards, Soldiers

Favored Weapon: Longsword

Sacred Animal: Rams

Sacred Colors: Brown, Grey and Orange

Allies: Bethany, Fenris, Merrill, Varric

Enemies/Rivalries: Anders, Carver, Isabela, Sebastian

Notable Holy Texts, Songs, Stories and Journals: The Criminal Code of Kirkwall (holy text), Swords and Shields (story), The Whimsical Courtship of Aveline and Domeric (story)

[vertigomez]

YAAAAAAASS, just what I needed, thanks muchly.

[ModernAcademic]

You nailed them. Great job! 

[ComedicSociopathy]

You nailed them. Great job! 

 

Thanks!

[Catilina]

Lovely topic

 

Just a question: why Sebastian enemy/rivalry with Aveline?

[Gervaise]

I disagree with Vivienne being a rival to Dorian and vice versa since she seemed to show both respect and concern for him in Trespasser.   Not attending the leaving party means nothing since she never seems to socialise; she didn't do Wicked Grace either.   I reckon their relationship would be no worse than neutral.  

 

However, I do think she would be a rival to Cole; she really wasn't happy about having him around the place and you show Cole as one of her rivals.   Generally in D&D they tend to mirror one another.

 

Solas' alignment is a tricky one since he does not believe in good/evil and right/wrong but simply cause and effect.   So possibly he would be true neutral, like many of the druids in D&D.   He is prepared to help people and will encourage others to do so  to cancel out the adverse effects of the bad guys (also because he felt responsible for the situation they were in) but also willing to sacrifice innocents to restore the balance to the world.     A chaotic good person may challenge lawful authority for the sake of others but I'm pretty sure wouldn't sacrifice an entire world to advance their own plans for the benefit of the few.   He gave three different reasons why he moved against the evanuris in the way he did: out of vengeance for killing Mythal (evil because you can tell he really wanted them to suffer not simply die); in order the free the elven people (good because it was freeing those who could not free themselves); because their actions threatened the world (neutral because it was just necessary for survival).    So overall I would say he is true neutral.   His symbol should be two wolf heads facing away from one another, one white and the other black.  Sacred colour: Grey.   If we managed to get him to change his plan so it doesn't result in mass destruction, then may be he can revert to chaotic good.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Solas is chaotic neutral definitely not CG , CG wouldn't blow up world killing everyone in it for own selifsh desires.

 

As for advisors:

Cullen would be LG in inquisition before LN.

Josephine would be NG

Leliana CN

[Abyss108]

This is cool!

 

I'll say Chaotic Good for Solas. The end effects of his actions might be neutral/evil, but he takes them because he honestly believes it will help his people. Wanting to help people is "good", he's just making a mistake. I don't class someone who does something evil by mistake/misunderstanding/because there is no other choice/because they couldn't find a better way/trickery/stupidity/etc as evil. That requires malicious intent for me.

[vertigomez]

Lots of evil people don't think of themselves as evil.

[TheKomandorShepard]

This is cool!

 

I'll say Chaotic Good for Solas. The end effects of his actions might be neutral/evil, but he takes them because he honestly believes it will help his people. Wanting to help people is "good", he's just making a mistake. I don't class someone who does something evil by mistake/misunderstanding/because there is no other choice/because they couldn't find a better way/trickery/stupidity/etc as evil. That requires malicious intent for me.

 

As i said Chaotic Good and any other character labeled as good in D&D wouldn't blow up world killing everyone in it for own intrests. From what i see no one classified Solas as CE only as CN, just because he is well-intentioned in own mind that wouldn't make him CG, because LG/NG/CG never would kill innocent people by own choice.

[Gervaise]

Checked my old D&D rulebook: 

Good characters protect innocent life.  There is a respect for life and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings.    Solas claimed to have these beliefs to Cassandra but his original plan and his commitment to pursuing it reveal that he does not put these beliefs into practice.  

 

Neutral characters are committed to others by personal relationships.   A neutral person may sacrifice himself to protect his family or even his homeland but he would not do so for strangers who are not related to him.   Solas' actions have always been towards his own ends, which is why he got himself involved with the Inquisition in the first place.   He would not have bothered helping the people he did off his own initiative.   His plan is to save a particular racial group that he regards as his people at the expense of everyone else that he does not.  Thus he is definitely at best of a neutral alignment.  

 

In D&D someone who acts for racially motivated reasons at the expense of others not of the same race, particularly if it results in their wholesale destruction, is actually veering towards evil regardless of how they view themselves.  Giving Cory the orb expecting it to blow him up and then standing by while he takes it into a heavily populated area to use it is a highly selfish act and again veering towards evil.

 

Dragon Age characters and issues were always meant to be not clear cut good/evil but shades of grey, so they are likely to be more neutral rather than going to extremes, apart from obviously evil villains like Corypheus and some of his minions - Erimond and Florianne spring to mind.

[Abyss108]

As i said Chaotic Good and any other character labeled as good in D&D wouldn't blow up world killing everyone in it for own intrests. From what i see no one classified Solas as CE only as CN, just because he is well-intentioned in own mind that wouldn't make him CG, because LG/NG/CG never would kill innocent people by own choice.

 

He isn't doing it for his own interests, he is doing it to save his people. If he only cared about his own interests, he would just abandon them and live a happy life.

 

Good characters would kill innocents under specific circumstances. If its to save more lives, etc. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

He isn't doing it for his own interests, he is doing it to save his people. If he only cared about his own interests, he would just abandon them and live a happy life.

 

Good characters would kill innocents under specific circumstances. If its to save more lives, etc. 

 

He is doing it for his own intrests out of sentimentality for old world , avoiding fact that his people are few in numbers compared to everyone else his actions won't save his people because they aren't threatened by anything in first place. His actions pretty much are directed to restore world he wants back , not saving anyone.

 

Kill innocents no , let innocent person die in scenario where good character is forced to chose between saving A and B yes.    

[Gervaise]

He admits that the vast majority of people are going to suffer by his actions; he is doing it for the sake a much smaller group of people that he has a direct connection to; he is doing to reverse a previous action of his that he regards as a mistake regardless of the fact the world has moved on considerably since then.   Everything is about him, even his apparent concern for the elves.    He is putting things back the way he thinks the world should be.   His actions are not good or altruistic.   They are selfish and really rather callous regarding everyone bar the ancient elves.   He doesn't regard himself as evil or a monster because in fact he doesn't recognise any system of morality; just cause and effect.     He is going to cause the destruction of the current world and the effect will be to restore the old one (or so he thinks).

 

Please note the perpetrators of the Holocaust did not regard themselves as evil and were actually motivated by a desire to restore the (supposed) former glory of their people.  Very few people deliberately do what they see as evil outside of computer games but that doesn't take away from the fact that their actions are evil.    Solas is no different.

[Abyss108]

He is doing it for his own intrests out of sentimentality for old world , avoiding fact that his people are few in numbers compared to everyone else his actions won't save his people because they aren't threatened by anything in first place. His actions pretty much are directed to restore world he wants back , not saving anyone.

 

Kill innocents no , let innocent person die in scenario where good character is forced to chose between saving A and B yes.    

 

We have no idea how many his people are, its hinted they are behind the mirrors. We don't know what exactly is going on here. Solas isn't sentimental for the old world though, he hated it. He isn't doing this for himself either, he probably won't even live through it.

 

Letting innocents die in a situation where you can save A or B is still killing the other group. Saying anything else is just denying what you did. It might be the only/correct choice, but it still is what it is.

 

I definitely think the action Solas is trying to take is evil. But I disagree that that makes the person evil, and can't disagree more that it would make him neutral. Neutral is self serving, and I don't think that describes Solas at all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

We have no idea how many his people are, its hinted they are behind the mirrors. We don't know what exactly is going on here. Solas isn't sentimental for the old world though, he hated it. He isn't doing this for himself either, he probably won't even live through it.

 

Letting innocents die in a situation where you can save A or B is still killing the other group. Saying anything else is just denying what you did. It might be the only/correct choice, but it still is what it is.

 

I definitely think the action Solas is trying to take is evil. But I disagree that that makes the person evil, and can't disagree more that it would make him neutral. Neutral is self serving, and I don't think that describes Solas at all.

 

If he hated it , then he wouldn't want to bring it back , his people are perfectly capable to live in this world as anyone else. As i said his people don't need to be saved because nothing threatens them , Solas actions won't save his people it will just restore world he wants back.

 

Not rly, A and B would die without person input anyway so pretty much person is only cutting loses that would be even greater without person imput.As well you could blame Spider-man for murder instead Green Goblin if Mary Jane died.

 

It describes Solas well , and wrong neutral isn't necessarily self-serving because neutral can also serve nation/order or have well-intentioned cause but being not very nice about it.   

[Abyss108]

If he hated it , then he wouldn't want to bring it back , his people are perfectly capable to live in this world as anyone else. As i said his people don't need to be saved because nothing threatens them , Solas actions won't save his people it will just restore world he wants back.

 

Not rly, A and B would die without person input anyway so pretty much person is only cutting loses that would be even greater without person imput.As well you could blame Spider-man for murder instead Green Goblin if Mary Jane died.

 

It describes Solas well , and wrong neutral isn't necessarily self-serving because neutral can also serve nation/order or have well-intentioned cause but being not very nice about it.   

 

Except his people can't, because they are trapped. Cole mentions that the people Solas wants to save are trapped and sleeping behind the mirrors. So no, they are not perfectly capable to to live in this world with the current situation. And we have no idea how many people are there.

 

I have little knowledge of Spider man, but I believe this is a situation where the Green Goblin kills either Gwen, or a bunch of innocent people? Then I don't class that as Spider Man killing Gwen because another took direct action to take that life. In this situation there is no other element. Solas either leaves his people to effective death behind the mirrors, or directly kills all the people in the modern world. Whichever choice he makes, a bunch of people have died because of his choice with no outside interference. So I class it as killing them. It's just a question of which people to kill.

 

Fair enough about neutral not having to be self serving with "serving a nation", but I disagree with "not being nice" about a good cause making it less good. Good can be harsh.

 

This is all a bit irrelevant though, as my basic stance is that "good" means acting with good intentions. I don't think taking an evil/neutral action makes that person neutral/evil, it just means they made a mistake for whatever reason. For example, there are plenty of heroic figures that are tricked into doing something evil by the villain, but that doesn't then make them evil. Likewise, a good person who makes a bad judgement call isn't evil to me.