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[Asdrubael Vect]

Where's this information from? Greagoir in Origins doesn't fit this psychological profile. 

Comics "Dragon Age"  1-6 what was shoved after DAO was out

[Asdrubael Vect]

Of course, said comic is painfully non-canon. 

only if they as books have story what was after DAO and connected with heroes what we see in game

[ModernAcademic]

What about Greagoir? Other than his radical agreement with Sten (made in the heat of the moment) on cutting out mages' tongues, he seemed all right. I'm surprised we didn't see him during Champions of the Just considering that the quest was based in Ferelden (his area of jurisdiction) - was he one of the generic lyrium monsters that we killed or something?

 

I think one of the epilogues shows he retired after the events in Origins, though I'm not sure.

That was my hope as well.

[ModernAcademic]

Yeah.... As much as I do like him in Inquisition, we gotta be honest here. As Heimdall said, he realistically wouldn't even meet the qualifications as a military commander. 

Of course, I don't feel as strongly as others regarding this matter. I see you, Samson X Inquisitor fic. 

 

There's also a Cullen x Inquisitor fic from the same author. *cough*

One that doesn't revolve around sex, btw. 

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, I think those original Dragon Age comics are part of discontinuity now.

[Lady Artifice]

I'm certain that nobody expected Cassandra to be in DAI. She was just that angry woman who didn't participate in the story and was just there to ask Varric to narrate the game. Then again, I think that last cutscene where she apparently is holding the Inquisition's book foreshadowed that she would be back.

 

...I very much expected Cassandra to appear in a later game. They put a lot of work into revealing her multi-dimensional aspects throughout the interrogation. And yes, the hint at the end that her role in the story wasn't finished was roughly anvil sized. 

 

As for why Cullen returns in each game, I agree with those that suggest the size of his fanbase has something to do with it. I disagree with those who claim that every one of those fans are exclusively interested in sexualizing him. 

[Ashagar]

Yes I also expected Cassandra back both. It was rather blunt from how they used her in DA2 and the fact they went to the effort of making the dawn of the seeker about her.

[Illegitimus]

He didn't get a good story until much, much later. If Cullen had been a full fledged character from the beginning, it would make more sense.

 

Actually...no.  If Cullen was a "full-fledged" character from the start then his story probably would have ended already because it would have been fully explored in DAII.  There wouldn't be much else to do with his arc.  It's because he started out as someone so incomplete that people wanted to fill in the blanks.  He's Princess Luna.  

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I hated Cullen in DA:O and the beginning of DA2.  As DA2 went on, I begrudgingly began to respect him over time.  In DAI, I genuinely like him.  He's a good example of character development.

[Yumakooma]

After I saw the post about Cullen's fanbase on the first page I was just like "LMAO SERIOUSLY" then I clicked the links to AO3 of some people on this thread and simply searched "cullen"... dying of cringe right now. I knew Dragon Age had some overly attached fans with certain characters but wasn't sure how far it went! HOWEVER to be fair to fanfic writers there was some stuff that appeared to be free of sexual content involving Cullen, and I am sure some people write great things on there  

 

I thought Cullen seemed pretty cool in DA2 and DAI, but in DAO I didn't care for him much because when I was listening to what he said and agreed it made Wynne go all crazy and attack me. If only Cullen had just let me go past without the chatter, Wynne would have been fine! Seriously though, I think he's a decent character, and he felt like he was a 'bro' in Inquisition to my Inquisitor, much like the way Varric does in DA2 with Hawke. Just my thoughts

[Catilina]

I hated Cullen in DA:O

O.o Why?

[Fylimar]

What about Greagoir? Other than his radical agreement with Sten (made in the heat of the moment) on cutting out mages' tongues, he seemed all right. I'm surprised we didn't see him during Champions of the Just considering that the quest was based in Ferelden (his area of jurisdiction) - was he one of the generic lyrium monsters that we killed or something?

 

I would have loved to see Greagoir return, as I said in another post. I'm not that fond of Cullen, although he seems to be really honest about his mistakes in DAI. And I really hope, Greagoir rather died in the explosion than becoming a red lyrium zombie.

Greagoir would imo have been the logical conclusion to include a regular templar character to the cast of DAI, or maybe Kevan - both seemed open minded enough to help the inquisition stop the war. I was very surprised to find Cullen advising me (I'm a mage) - and of course he wanted to approach the templars first . It's nice to see at least one former member of the Ferelden Circle with Cullen, though, but even if Irving and Greagoir are too old for adventuring now, they both could be there as advisers or there could be some other members of the FC, like Petra or Owain - two characters, you have to met even as a non mage.

I can understand, that they reuse former companions, in Varrics Case, I was really glad, he is one of my favorites and I guess the Leliana-, Morrigan- and Alistair-Fans are happy to see their favorites again too, but for the sake of continuity I would have loved to see some more former Ferelden Circle mages, templars and tranquils (or even the boatsman and his Lizzy )

[Fylimar]

I still think Cullen needs to account for participating in Kirkwall's Annulment. Maybe not put him on trial, per se, but some sort of restitution would be nice.

You should at least get a chance to talk to him about that. I don't think, he should be trialed, because he didn't go through with the annulment after Meredith lost it, but it would be great, if the inquisitor could have asked him about that

[JJ Likeaprayer]

It's good to see him changed...I remember in DAO he asks you to kill the mages in the tower.

 

Perhaps they wanted to rebuilt him and gave him another chance...anyway,it's good to see he has grown a heart in DA2 and DAI.

[Vanilka]

Hm, I've thought it's good thinking to keep building on an already existing character that's, on the top of it, already quite popular. To me, it was a great decision because then you look at Cullen in DAI and he seems to have so much history and you were even there to see some of it. It's not just some tale that the writers made up while putting DAI together and that he then tells you, because we've all been there to witness it for ourselves. (Imagine if, instead of merely listening to Cassandra talk about her brother's fate, we could also see it in one of the previous games.)

 

It's funny because I never gave him that much thought before DAI since he played a minor role. I did think he was pure and adorable in DAO's mage origin and that made the following development quite sad. I did think he was pretty cool in DAII. But other than that, I didn't think about him overmuch. I didn't think I needed to see him again. Then you finally get to know him in DAI, hear more about how he keeps returning to his imprisonment by demons, how he struggles through his lyrium withdrawals, about his experiences in Kirkwall, about his regrets. You realise you've seen him in his highs and lows throughout the whole franchise. It feels that you really get to know this character.

 

I've tried the templar path in DAI recently and when he said that he was glad the Inquisitor got rid of the demon and was all right, that it takes a strong person to deal with such an experience, I went, "Oh! He would know, right?" My character doesn't know that, but for me, as a player, it felt really good to be able to understand where he was coming from. That's something I might not have got if it were a completely new character I knew next to nothing about. It was not just some random comment he made just to be nice or whatever, but because he knows what that's like and can relate. I like that very much because it gives him depth. Because I've always thought that the more there is to a character, the better. That's why I'm happy that they brought him back.

 

As for reoccurring minor characters, this is not the first time BW have done this, so I see no reason to have issues with Cullen specifically. As somebody mentioned above, we got back Merrill in DAII who became really adorable for some reason. We got back Isabela who also became rather attractive for some reason. Flemeth makes an appearance in every game and her importance in the history of Thedas has been steadily growing. And, you know what? While I could live without character-breaking changes, like with Merrill whose personality and appearance seem to have got altered quite a bit in DAII (Hell, her skin was brown in DAO.), I think building on already existing minor characters where the writers see some potential is really darn great.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

O.o Why?

He was like "kill all the mages", which would have put a damper on the reason I went to the circle tower in the first place (was trying to free Connor of the demon without blood magic). I wanted to kill him, to be honest. Then the epilogue happened, he kills mages, and I wanted to kill him even harder.

[Catilina]

I did not take him seriously sure then ,I played the mages' side always. I did not notice the fussy Templar according to me. I played it rather for a long time with Origin, maybe, would be worth a replay...

 

In DA2 Cullen was not too bloodthirsty.

 

I got caught now. I am not an old good Cullen fan. I just like his character.

[Selene Moonsong]

I do like him, but objectively speaking I don't understand what motivated this choice.

Cullen was just... some guy you meet briefly and no reason is given to care or even remember him afterwards. Then he comes back in DA2 for some reason and has a bigger role, but we still know nothing about him. Not a c-h-a-r-a-c-t-e-r quite yet.

I'm certain that nobody expected Cassandra to be in DAI. 

And then we have Merril. 

 

(snipped for brevity)

I played through Origins and DA II many times.

 

Cullen: Appears twice in Origins if you play a mage and a  female mage actually gets to flirt with him. and in DA II, he became a more interesting character, though still limited to his role as a Templar but in a more senior position. In the aftermath of DA II, it does not seem so far fetched that he would be recruited by Cassandra as a prominent character. 

 

Cassandra seemed very much a possibility to appear in Inquisition. The role of a Seeker was introduced with her, though left sketchy. Her appearance in Inquisition is hardly a leap of logic to see her appear in in a more prominent role as a fresh character with an interesting history to expand upon and a chance to find that under that hard exterior beats the heart of a woman. What was done with her as a character was wonderful. I fully expected to see her again.

 

Cassandra seemed a logical continuation as a full fledged character in Inquisition after she witnessed the results of the Mage Rebellion in DA II. Just as did Leliana's return after her cameo role in DA II where Leliana is introduced in her new role as "Left Hand of the Divine".

 

Merrill first appears in DAO as a short term companion to your Elf. If a player pays attention to their own character's departure from the  clan, there is a hint of perhaps more than just a friendship with your character, perhaps a more personal interest during the rather bitter-sweet farewell she gave. In DA II, her appearance makes sense for her to be near Kirkwall as the remaining clan had migrated to the region during The Blight ten years prior.

 

Whether fan requests were part of the reasons for some of the choices or not, they worked well in Inquisition. 

[Dabrikishaw]

Cullen lucked out on being popular with most fans, so those fans were pandered to thanks to the conveniences of the metaplot.

[Master Warder Z_]

He was like "kill all the mages", which would have put a damper on the reason I went to the circle tower in the first place (was trying to free Connor of the demon without blood magic). I wanted to kill him, to be honest. Then the epilogue happened, he kills mages, and I wanted to kill him even harder.

 

Ugh, a mage lover.

[NaclynE]

I do like him, but objectively speaking I don't understand what motivated this choice.

Leliana, Morrigan and Alistair keep coming back because they were the hero's companions in the game that started everything. But more importantly, they were well established characters.

Back in Dragon Age: Origins, Cullen was just... some guy you meet briefly and no reason is given to care or even remember him afterwards. Then he comes back in DA2 for some reason and has a bigger role, but we still know nothing about him. Not a c-h-a-r-a-c-t-e-r quite yet.

He only became a fully fledged character in Inquisition and that's just weird. I'd also suspect that this second return was on popular demand because of all the people that wanted to romance the dreamy templar.

But I will try to be fair and mention a few other characters whose return is hard to explain because they were nearly irrelevant to the plot when they were introduced.

I'm certain that nobody expected Cassandra to be in DAI. She was just that angry woman who didn't participate in the story and was just there to ask Varric to narrate the game. Then again, I think that last cutscene where she apparently is holding the Inquisition's book foreshadowed that she would be back.

And then we have Merril. Most people didn't even know that she actually was in the Dalish Origin. Not memorable enough, I suppose.

 

Well Cullen in DAO was originally the templar assigned to ensure you don't turn into a demon in the mage origins part of the game. However if you don't play that type of character he is the templar that is trying to reclaim the mage tower from Uldred (or whatever his name was) because he summoned a bloody hoard of demons that swarmed and more or less took over the tower and made some non blood mages into blood mages. Cullen thought by invoking the rite of tranquility he can kill his way to the source of the problem and retake the tower (your feelings here). If you play a female mage apparently Cullen wanted a sexual relationship with with your mage character which is brought out by the villain there. Other races this isn't brought up. If taken by violence all mages are killed and Cullen treats this as a good riddance situation. If taken by not the rite Cullen appoligizes for acting rashly. In DA 2 he's got this mentality of "mages are scum because they summon bloody hoard of demons that can swarm Kirkwall and more or less took over the area and make some non blood mages into blood mages". He's pretty much pro Meredith. He only becomes anti Meredith when he realizes that Meredith is anti mage because of her being exposed to red lyrium. Here yeah I can see why it seems like he's not a worth while character to return. In DAI he obviously quit being a templar because he realized through his own experiences that both mages and templars can go bad by supernatural means and not because they want to go bad. Not to mention if you play as a female mage in DAI you can actually let Cullen finally fulfill his secret desire of boinking a female mage. Lol. 

 

The whole thing about Cullen is he's a former templar that has seen some serious stuff and as games pass they want to stress that "here's a character that has seem some serious stuff and is living to tell about it to many gosh darn people and with many gosh darn people". I kind of like that idea but would like to see this being done with kid oriented characters as well. i hope to see Kerian grow up to become a badass mage guy or something. Lol.

 

As far as Cassandra and Merril are concerned Cassandra was more or less like a secondary narrator in DA 2 (even though she did have a anime movie explaining her origins) but I knew pretty early on before DAI came out that Cassandra was intended to be in what is now DAI because the ending of DA 2 seemed to hint at it quite big and BIOWARE sounded like they weren't done with her at all. For Merril she was in the Dalish origins story and that was it correct. However I guess BIOWARE liked her and her voice actress to make her a full blown character in DA 2. It seemed like to be the same case for Isabella (In DAO blackpearl and doesn't even remotely look like how she looks now) but however there still seems to be some one time used characters in DAO that haven't made it to other DA games yet like I think the dwarf friend of the dwarf outcast, the mage ally and thief ally in Liliana's song, I think some allies in Morrigans DLC?, the dwarf companion in DAA, Shayle, and probably brother cousland. Tehre are many others that are NPC or were joinable companions that haven't returned yet that I would like to see in future DA games.

[Fylimar]

 If you play a female mage apparently Cullen wanted a sexual relationship with with your mage character which is brought out by the villain there. 

 

I have to disagree - Cullen never tried to force himself on a female mage protagonist. He even runs away, when you try to flirt with him - which is kind of funny.

 

I wouldn't really hold his actions DAO against him - he was tortured and half crazed, Probably he would have ended up as one of those possessed templars, you fight on your way to Uldred, if the Warden hadn't show up. His involvment in DA2 was a bit more dubious imo.

 

I personally have no problem with him being in DAI, if it makes a fanbase happy. I'm glad, that Varric is back as a companion and I like Blackwall, Vivienne and Dorian. So I'm completely satisfied with my group and Cullen turns out to be an interesting advisor - I never even acknowledged him in my other games, but he has some good conversations and he even admits to being an a** back then, 

My only critic was, that there are none of the other Ferelden circle inhabitants around, despite the fact, that you are basically camping at their doorstep. It would just have been nice to acknowledge, what happened to some of the more prominent members.

[GoldenGail3]

Ugh, a mage lover.

Mage Hater

[Panda]

It's good to see him changed...I remember in DAO he asks you to kill the mages in the tower.

<snip>

 

Perhaps they wanted to rebuilt him and gave him another chance...anyway,it's good to see he has grown a heart in DA2 and DAI.

 

He was like "kill all the mages", which would have put a damper on the reason I went to the circle tower in the first place (was trying to free Connor of the demon without blood magic). I wanted to kill him, to be honest. Then the epilogue happened, he kills mages, and I wanted to kill him even harder.

 

I'm bit surprised people hold that against him so quickly. I mean to me it was quite clear that he wasn't quite himself at that point- being tortured and seeing your collegues all die around you can be bit hard on person and it's not like he asking you to kill everyone top of tower was even that unreasonable - without litany they would all become abominations anyways and you would be forced to kill them- and he had no idea you even had trump card like that.

[Vanilka]

I'm bit surprised people hold that against him so quickly. I mean to me it was quite clear that he wasn't quite himself at that point- being tortured and seeing your collegues all die around you can be bit hard on person and it's not like he asking you to kill everyone top of tower was even that unreasonable - without litany they would all become abominations anyways and you would be forced to kill them- and he had no idea you even had trump card like that.

 

I agree. It might be a bad call from him, of course. (I think that is up to discussion in his particular case, as you've said.) But even your companions comment on the fact he's delirious. He's been tortured by demons to the point he doesn't realise you're real when you approach him. He's witnessed death of colleagues and what might be his only friends. Plus, he's like, what, 18-20 at that point? Nobody knows what's actually going on in the Harrowing chamber, just that there are awful noises coming out of there and Uldred is there. I disagree with how he wants to handle the situation but, hell, that's a lot to take and it's understandable he overreacts.

 

Not to even mention that at that point Gregoir is sitting comfortably at the base of the tower, safely behind closed doors, waiting for reinforcements to annul the Circle, that is to kill all the mages within (which may or may not include the children). Yet I don't hear any complains about Gregoir who made the same decision in perfectly clear state of mind.