Why do you assume that?
*Disgusted noise*, Ark Theory.
I don't see why they would be relieved of command. If they get the job done, what's the problem?
Fair enough, I shouldn't make any pronouncements there until we know what's up.
But as far as the second thing - unless the enemies are permanently incapacitated, don't they just keep on coming back to try to kill you? Does this extend to hostile flora and fauna as well, or just other (presumably sentient) species we encounter? And further to that - would the same shot that successfully incapacitates a salarian analogue be sufficient for a krogan analogue, or a yahg analogue (or like, a space T-Rex? Can we trank a thresher maw?)?
Do we have complete control over our squadmates in this game, and if not... can you imagine telling Garrus or Zaeed to pack non-lethal bullets? How well would that go over?
On the lethal vs nonlethal front...
Making the whole game that way? Probably unfeasible, also unprecedented in the series for the whole game to behave in that manner. Also generally unwanted for my part.
Making a mission or few? As someone mentioned earlier, the gas bombs was a nice touch to give paragon/renegade a bit more flavour.
In that context, of giving you the option here and there? Hells yes. Playing my renegade Infiltrator of course he just put a bullet in everyone infected. He didn't have time to deal with some silly grenades nor sort out what to do after the fact. They were infected, they needed to die. There was more at stake than a handful of colonists even that early on, and he knew it.
My Paragon Adept though? She weighed her conscience. My infiltrator felt that time was against him (it was) and made the hard calls under that premise. She felt that numbers were against her, and every body saved was a body she could stand against the reapers; even at the expense of time.
Neither were entirely right, and neither were entirely wrong. Both saved the galaxy so /shrug. But the point being, I appreciated the choice.
I don't really want "Deus Mass Stealth Effect: The EnReapening". But a mission or two, or few, could be made to help give meaning and impact to your choices, be they blue or red.
Well so long as they use buns, poo, and m'kay, we'll be fine.
For me it's similar, but the issue of swearing is even more destructive to suspension of disbelief than other things that can be handwaved with Sci-fi explanations.
It is most likely that the human condition will not be drastically dissimilar from today in 200 years, even if technology changes.
I also don't want to see religious views dictating what goes into video games, if it offends your sensibilities / religion, just don't play it.
(just like there are many types of entertainment I don't partake in)
I don't know. The human condition has changed a lot from what it was 200 years ago, and that was without encountering extraterrestrial life and becoming assimilated into the galactic community. I find it harder to believe that nothing would change rather than us changing drastically.
Why bring up religion specifically? I never once mentioned that being a reason I don't want it, not have I seen anyone other than one person bring it up.
There aren't many Space RPGs, especially on consoles, so my choices are practically non-existent thus I don't really have a choice.
It would, at the very least, become a really significant plot decision. I don't know about Deus Ex, but in the Arkham games it's a very important aspect of the story. People are constantly berating/applauding Batman for his no kill policy, or trying to tempt and harass him into breaking it.
Someone who is associated with a millitary endeavor, even tangentally, refusing to engage in life or death combat would be a seriously controversial figure. Someo people might approve, but a lot of others would dismiss them as dangerously naive and criminally negligent, especially considering how often terrorism has come up in this series.
I think that would be a great mechanic to the game. You could earn support from those who want to not make the situation with the native races worse, but earn condemnation from those who think that our own needs take priority, and visa versa.
Fair enough, I shouldn't make any pronouncements there until we know what's up.
But as far as the second thing - unless the enemies are permanently incapacitated, don't they just keep on coming back to try to kill you? Does this extend to hostile flora and fauna as well, or just other (presumably sentient) species we encounter? And further to that - would the same shot that successfully incapacitates a salarian analogue be sufficient for a krogan analogue, or a yahg analogue (or like, a space T-Rex? Can we trank a thresher maw?)?
Do we have complete control over our squadmates in this game, and if not... can you imagine telling Garrus or Zaeed to pack non-lethal bullets? How well would that go over?
The guns in Mass Effect already do that with lethal rounds, having a computer that calculates how much material and how much force it needs to fire to be the most effective. If an option, it can extent as far or as little as you want it. As for the companions, yes I can.
I would be happy if there wasn't any profanity in my games at all. Some subject matter can be mature without lowering the language bar. Honestly, there is no excuse for profane language. If there is some profanity in a game, I can usually get around it or suffer the small amount that is there. If a game has a lot of profanity in it, then I usually don't even finish the game, or if I manage to finish it, I don't play it again. This includes fictional substitutes that aren't real world profanity but are words used in place of profanity so it doesn't sound as bad. Even "Maker's Breath" I could do without.
I don't really care too much. My preference is to just be normal, and that would include some swearing. I liked Jack and I liked Isabella and I think including it makes it feel more authentic and immersive. But If Bioware doesn't want to include that stuff it's not something that will really worry me too much.
I would be happy if there wasn't any profanity in my games at all. Some subject matter can be mature without lowering the language bar. Honestly, there is no excuse for profane language. If there is some profanity in a game, I can usually get around it or suffer the small amount that is there. If a game has a lot of profanity in it, then I usually don't even finish the game, or if I manage to finish it, I don't play it again.
I can think of plenty of excuses for it, but really? Not even for characterization?
This includes fictional substitutes that aren't real world profanity but are words used in place of profanity so it doesn't sound as bad. Even "Maker's Breath" I could do without.
This... is so weird. Would your ideal party be composed primarily of this guy?
I think that would be a great mechanic to the game. You could earn support from those who want to not make the situation with the native races worse, but earn condemnation from those who think that our own needs take priority, and visa versa.
It would also be an extreme shift in tone for the franchise, suddenly placing moral and social consequences on something that was previously taken for granted. I'm not sure I could think of a better way to alienate most of the fanbase even if I tried.
I would be happy if there wasn't any profanity in my games at all. Some subject matter can be mature without lowering the language bar. Honestly, there is no excuse for profane language. If there is some profanity in a game, I can usually get around it or suffer the small amount that is there. If a game has a lot of profanity in it, then I usually don't even finish the game, or if I manage to finish it, I don't play it again. This includes fictional substitutes that aren't real world profanity but are words used in place of profanity so it doesn't sound as bad. Even "Maker's Breath" I could do without.
Seriously.
We don't need excuses for profane language. We have perfectly suitable reasons for it.
Edit: Especially considering what any society considers "profane" is perfectly capable of changing and evolving.
It would also be an extreme shift in tone for the franchise, suddenly placing moral and social consequences on something that was previously taken for granted. I'm not sure I could think of a better way to alienate most of the fanbase even if I tried.
I can.
Make one of the ME3 endings canon.
Bring Cerberus back.
Going to Andromeda in the first place.
etc.
I don't know. The human condition has changed a lot from what it was 200 years ago, and that was without encountering extraterrestrial life and becoming assimilated into the galactic community. I find it harder to believe that nothing would change rather than us changing drastically.
Why bring up religion specifically? I never once mentioned that being a reason I don't want it, not have I seen anyone other than one person bring it up.
There aren't many Space RPGs, especially on consoles, so my choices are practically non-existent thus I don't really have a choice.
Not the base human condition, what changed are merely the acceptable norms regarding sexual activity, and extreme topics like slavery for example.
And even this, only in parts of the world. (as much as some of us would like to believe it, the west is not the entire world...)
Not swearing is about restraint, politeness, or religious beliefs. If I'm not religious, don't really care about politeness at the moment,
and not feeling the need to restrain myself, why shouldn't I swear? Indeed, in every society on earth, even the "polite" ones, there are those that swear.
And I mentioned religion, because I suspect that your "colleague" in opinion in this thread is motivated by his religious beliefs.
But even if I'm wrong, there are enough religious people out there that would jump at the chance to insert their influence.
Your Neutralness? Its a beige alert.
If i don't survive tell my wife hello.
Sorry for derailing, thats just one of my favourite Futurama moments.
That's ok. I know you can't help it. Your heart is full of neutrality.
I can.
Make one of the ME3 endings canon.
Bring Cerberus back.
Going to Andromeda in the first place.
etc.
Hanako, you are both persistent and wholly uncompromising. There are times when it's strangely endearing.
Even while it's exasperating.
That's ok. I know you can't help it. Your heart is full of neutrality.
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Not the base human condition, what changed are merely the acceptable norms regarding sexual activity, and extreme topics like slavery for example.
And even this, only in parts of the world. (as much as some of us would like to believe it, the west is not the entire world...)
Not swearing is about restraint, politeness, or religious beliefs. If I'm not religious, don't really care about politeness at the moment,
and not feeling the need to restrain myself, why shouldn't I swear? Indeed, in every society on earth, even the "polite" ones, there are those that swear.
And I mentioned religion, because I suspect that your "colleague" in opinion in this thread is motivated by his religious beliefs.
But even if I'm wrong, there are enough religious people out there that would jump at the chance to insert their influence.
True enough, though I still consider that for those parts of the world that have changed has resulted in a change of the human condition.
Again, while I think the less profanity and swearing the better, I don't think it should be removed entirely. Rather, I think that those who don't want it can play their character in a way that doesn't while also having enough companions who don't to make a full team.
You're probably right. The only thing religious-wise that I have ever pushed for in a game(though not the only reason) is to have a "no sex before marriage" romance option rather than having sex as a mandatory part of the romance. Thankfully the Mass Effect team may be doing so in this game since Bioware has shown interest in doing romances where sex is either optional or ambiguous. Even the Mass Effect team has done it once, albeit with a minor romance, with Kelly Chambers. I guess you could also say the option to not have the protagonist smoke, drink, or do drugs, but there's plenty of non-religious people who don't do such things as well so I don't think that counts.
Hanako, you are both persistent and wholly uncompromising. There are times when it's strangely endearing.
Even while it's exasperating.
Thanks...I think. 
Thanks...I think.
It was intended positively, though I'm sorry if it came off as backhanded. The exasperation is only because I don't agree that the move to Adromeda was something that alienated most of the fanbase.
I see your point with the other things, though. Canonizing an ME3 ending would be a really, really, really bad move.
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Bah, your hearts are full of neutrality!!!
I would be happy if there wasn't any profanity in my games at all. Some subject matter can be mature without lowering the language bar. Honestly, there is no excuse for profane language. If there is some profanity in a game, I can usually get around it or suffer the small amount that is there. If a game has a lot of profanity in it, then I usually don't even finish the game, or if I manage to finish it, I don't play it again. This includes fictional substitutes that aren't real world profanity but are words used in place of profanity so it doesn't sound as bad. Even "Maker's Breath" I could do without.
I see your point with the other things, though. Canonizing an ME3 ending would be a really, really, really bad move.
Again, while I think the less profanity and swearing the better, I don't think it should be removed entirely. Rather, I think that those who don't want it can play their character in a way that doesn't while also having enough companions who don't to make a full team.
You're probably right. The only thing religious-wise that I have ever pushed for in a game(though not the only reason) is to have a "no sex before marriage" romance option rather than having sex as a mandatory part of the romance. Thankfully the Mass Effect team may be doing so in this game since Bioware has shown interest in doing romances where sex is either optional or ambiguous.
I've said it before, but this is what I'd like to see, too, as far as these things are concerned. There's no reason to bowdlerize the game - but there's no reason for things to get stupid or gratuitous, either. Although crusading to make every little bit optional, or subject to a toggle, as some posters who advocate for this do, is excessive. If the plot demands an errant F bomb, or a rare stroll through the table dancers at Afterlife, I don't think that's excessive, and I would hope that those who don't want to subject themselves to such content would just get up and get a drink, or cover their ears and hum.
I guess you could also say the option to not have the protagonist smoke, drink, or do drugs, but there's plenty of non-religious people who don't do such things as well so I don't think that counts.
For my part, I would like the option to smoke, drink, and do drugs, preferably at the same time.
I am not a smoker in real life, but every time Piper lights up, I get a little bit jealous.
^^^ on some level everything added needs an excuse. Though a complete lack of profanity would need a bigger one in my mind for the setting to make sense.
It would' be kind of funny if the ark was entirely populated by standoffish English professors who refused to lower themselves to the banal use of slang and profanity.
And now, you can add xenolinguistics professor to the long list of things I'd rather play than another military background.
It would' be kind of funny if the ark was entirely populated by standoffish English professors who refused to lower themselves to the banal use of slang and profanity.
That about right? 
It was intended positively, though I'm sorry if it came off as backhanded. The exasperation is only because I don't agree that the move to Adromeda was something that alienated most of the fanbase.
I see your point with the other things, though. Canonizing an ME3 ending would be a really, really, really bad move.
Ah, okay. Apology accepted and thank you. 
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