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[Elhanan]

Profanity does no good, with the possible exception of adding worthless words to a vocabulary.

[Steelcan]

Profanity does no good, with the possible exception of adding worthless words to a vocabulary.

I can make blanket statements with nothing to back them up also!

 

Profanity is useful for capturing how many people actually talk.

 

Profanity is completely normal and everyday.

 

What is and is not profanity is a holdover of archaic stigmas against Anglo-Saxon based words as opposed to Norman French ones and has only gone on from there,

[Sarayne]

I have never seen anyone so anti swearing in my entire life or so against it for 23 pages now. These forums are a truly magical place to be a part of.

[Lady Artifice]

He says I might not miss what I experience the first time, but I know what I like. The mere suggestion that I might be deprived of potential Zaeeds or Blackwalls makes me fumy.

 

I know I would notice the absence of course language. A new game in this franchise where every character minds their Ps and Qs all the time would stick out like an eyesore. It doesn't have to be real world swearing, of course, but there absolutely ought to be a range in how consistently polite the various characters' language choices are. 

 

Plus, like you said, swearing can be used with a positive tone. 

[Elhanan]

I know I would notice the absence of course language. A world where every character minds their Ps and Qs all the time would stick out like an eyesore. It doesn't have to be real world swearing, of course, but there absolutely ought to be a range in how consistently polite the various characters' language choices are. 
 
Plus, like you said, swearing can be used with a positive tone.

So am guessing you and these others were disappointed with DAO....

[Sartoz]

I can make blanket statements with nothing to back them up also!

 

Profanity is useful for capturing how many people actually talk.

 

Profanity is completely normal and everyday.

 

What is and is not profanity is a holdover of archaic stigmas against Anglo-Saxon based words as opposed to Norman French ones and has only gone on from there,

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I seriously doubt you accept profanity at dinner with your children.  Next thing you know, they use it at school.

 

No, profanity is not normal but you're right that many talk like that.

[Lady Artifice]

So am guessing you and these others were disappointed with DAO....

 

There was a huge range of polite to impolite language in DAO. You yourself have pointed out the dwarven tendency to swear by the stone, for example. 

[Lady Luminous]

Profanity does no good, with the possible exception of adding worthless words to a vocabulary.

So you'd rather I say "Oh sugar! Wasted my coffee!" instead of use a word that actually reveals both the tone and intent of the situation?

[FKA_Servo]

Profanity does no good, with the possible exception of adding worthless words to a vocabulary.

 

I understand that this is your position, but why can't you grant that it is not everyone's position and proceed from there? It's been asserted (by more here than just me) that it is a useful and valuable tool for characterization.

 

Right now, you're grampa Simpson yelling at a cloud.

 

So am guessing you and these others were disappointed with DAO....

 

Doesn't necessarily follow. And I (and probably others as well) had different expectations of the medium then. Many of us are happy that they feel less restrained than they used to be.

 

There was a huge range of polite to impolite language in DAO. You yourself have pointed out the dwarven tendency to swear by the stone, for example. 

 

This, too.

[Ahglock]

I'm not sure I'd miss it. I've seen plenty of tv and movies where they didn't swear and it didn't stand out to me. Given how much dialogue there is I can easily say I've gone similar lengths or longer where no one swore. Unless you are specifically looking for it the absence of something is frequently not noted. So while some people might note it I doubt most people would. Doesnt change that I think in many cases adding swearing can improve dialogue. But I'm
not so sure I'd miss it. It's just snippets of time we are seeing for the characters so no swearing happening in those bits is not a huge shock to me.

[Lady Artifice]

Elhanan, I understand why you avoid exposure to swearing yourself. I've looked at your "about me," and believe me, I have an absolute surplus of family members who would feel exactly the same way as you. Exactly. I can sympathize. 

 

What is less understandable is your assumptions about the intent behind swearing, and the fact that you're still trying to claim lore-related reasons for your opposition. The lore does not support you in this regard. 

[Natureguy85]

It depends on how it's used. If it's used to be how real people talk, then it's fine. If it's used to be "edgy" and you can hear the writer giggling about bad words, then it's bad.

 

I'll always see "Don't F with Aria," in the bad camp. The camera zoomed in on her mouth and she slowed down and accented the F-bomb. It was clearly "Hey look, we say 'Fuk' now!"

[Ahglock]

So you'd rather I say "Oh sugar! Wasted my coffee!" instead of use a word that actually reveals both the tone and intent of the situation?

Ouch, ahhhh, God that hurts, inarticulate scream etc.

While I'm pro swearing the argument that you can't express a lot of moments without it isn't landing for me.

[Steelcan]

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I seriously doubt you accept profanity at dinner with your children.  Next thing you know, they use it at school.

 

No, profanity is not normal but you're right that many talk like that.

you've never been to a public school high school have you?

[Elhanan]

I understand that this is your position, but why can't you grant that it is not everyone's position and proceed from there? It's been asserted (by more here than just me) that it is a useful and valuable tool for characterization.
 
Right now, you're grampa Simpson yelling at a cloud.
 
 
Doesn't necessarily follow. And I (and probably others as well) had different expectations of the medium then. Many of us are happy that they feel less restrained than they used to be.
 
 
This, too.

Don't watch The Simpsons, and DAO did not use the kind of course language that has been added in more recent titles. And personally contend that it remains the best written game of the series, though I still enjoy the others.

[Elhanan]

you've never been to a public school high school have you?

I did, and do not wish to use that as my standard of excellence.

[Steelcan]

I did, and do not wish to use that as my standard of excellence.

I didn't say it was, I was using it as an example of how it is in fact normal to hear profanity

[FKA_Servo]

Don't watch The Simpsons, and DAO did not use the kind of course language that has been added in more recent titles. And personally contend that it remains the best written game of the series, though I still enjoy the others.

 

That's probably true, but if Bioware had peppered it with a little strong invective (maybe in the place of some of the pretend curses that you take no issue with), that wouldn't negate that either.

 

And again, you're just reinforcing that you're fully on board with the concept of cursing, as long as it's pretend cursing. If I'm a devout Thedosian and someone pulls out "Andrastes Flaming Knickers!," it has the same semantic weight as any sort of real world blaspheming they might employ. Ditto for all those other dwarven stand ins that you have invoked. I fail to see how and why you consider one to be fine and the other to be verboten when the context and intent are identical, if the context and intent are in fact what you object to.

[Elhanan]

I didn't say it was, I was using it as an example of how it is in fact normal to hear profanity

And I use it to indicate the actual lack of maturity in Mature content, though Jr High may have been worse (may not have understood what the terms actually meant, but it was supposedly Cool to use them).

[SentinelMacDeath]

you've never been to a public school high school have you?

There's a difference between high school and elementary school, played TF2 one day and this squeaker came on, couldn't have been older than 6 or 7 and he dropped the vilest cussing I've ever heard in my online gaming time. It was ridiculous.

[Elhanan]

That's probably true, but if Bioware had peppered it with a little strong invective (maybe in the place of some of the pretend curses that you take no issue with), that wouldn't negate that either.
 
And again, you're just reiterating that you're fully on board with the concept of cursing, as long as it's pretend cursing. If I'm a devout Thedosian and someone pulls out "Andrastes Flaming Knickers!," it has the same semantic weight as any sort of real world blaspheming they might employ. Ditto for all those other dwarven stand ins that you have invoked. I fail to see how and why you consider one to be fine and the other to be verboten when the context and intent are identical.

Am not on board with all of the fictional euphemisms, but certainly prefer many of them to non-fictional, lore breaking obscenities.

[Lady Luminous]

Ouch, ahhhh, God that hurts, inarticulate scream etc.

While I'm pro swearing the argument that you can't express a lot of moments without it isn't landing for me.

I'm just asking questions to see where his head space is at. I could do a lot of things, but the instinctual reaction for me is going to be cussing. Mostly I'm not making an argument here, just curious to see his response to hypotheticals.

[Master Warder Z_]

Am not on board with all of the fictional euphemisms, but certainly prefer many of them to non-fictional, lore breaking obscenities.

 

I don't recall any lore breaking swears and or translations of swears that didn't fit the setting.

 

So It seems you are arguing the wind.

[Iakus]

There was a huge range of polite to impolite language in DAO. You yourself have pointed out the dwarven tendency to swear by the stone, for example. 

I think what he's pointing out is our curse words are not necessarily Thedas's.  Or any other fictional universe's

 

Frell, frak, bosh'tet, sod, are all fake curse words that get their point across.  And this is a pretty common practice that's been going on for quite a while (anyone here recall "fewets"?)  

[FKA_Servo]

Am not on board with all of the fictional euphemisms, but certainly prefer many of them to non-fictional, lore breaking obscenities.

 

Which is precisely why I'm glad they're so unlikely to take your suggestions to heart. I want to repeat my question, which has been asked many times in these threads, quite directly, by myself others, and which I have never once seen you provide a straight answer for.

 

Why can't you just ignore the presence of content that you, personally, find objectionable? You're not an impressionable child, and I don't get the impression that you're playing the game around children (which, if that's the case, is easily remedied). What is it about the words themselves that you can't just say "hey, that's something I'd never say or do?" or just get up and make yourself a cup of tea while an offending cutscene plays out?

 

You're under no obligation to answer of course, but I find your position completely unreasonable and mystifying, and I'd like very much to understand why you're so intractable about this topic. If it really is as simple as "I think they're worthless" - well, I guess I have my answer, but I don't think it's a very good one.