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What do you guys think about swearing?


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Elhanan

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Right, it could mean so many different things. That NPC might have been suggesting there was some grass that needed watering.


Evidently, not the only application:

noun: 1. sodomite; homosexual. 2. chap; fellow; guy. 3. child; kid; brat.

verb (used with object), sodded, sodding. 4. to damn: Sod the bloody **! Verb phrases 5. sod off, to leave (usually as an imperative): Why don't you just sod off!

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^If they're gonna ban and warn people all willy nilly, they should really fix their damn filter. It has funny priorities.

 

But yeah, you might want to look into that last sentence.

 

Ugh I've gotten so many warnings because that stupid filter.



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Evidently, not the only application:

noun: 1. sodomite; homosexual. 2. chap; fellow; guy. 3. child; kid; brat.

verb (used with object), sodded, sodding. 4. to damn: Sod the bloody bastard! Verb phrases 5. sod off, to leave (usually as an imperative): Why don't you just sod off!

 

Yes. That is very much my point.

 

The tone in that particular example of dialogue was very clear.  



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Elhanan

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To you perhaps, but the examples seem to leave a lot for interpretation.

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In appropriate situations for a character who swearing fits, why not?

Jack used the "F" word a few times in ME2, it was cool. I'd like welcome more swearing, it'd be more realistic, than "Oh, those gosh darn freaking Reapers are attacking us!"


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In appropriate situations for a character who swearing fits, why not?

Jack used the "F" word a few times in ME2, it was cool. I'd like welcome more swearing, it'd be more realistic, than "Oh, those gosh darn freaking Reapers are attacking us!"

 

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In my view, words that are charged with racism, homophobia, etc like "sodding" evidently is are much worse than a casual f-bomb.



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Ugh I've gotten so many warnings because that stupid filter.


I once got a warning point for circumventing the filter when I self-censored a word that wasn't caught in the filter.

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Heya Guys, 

 

This topic has probably been discussed before, but I was just curious about your opinions. Some games, and I won't explicitly mention them to avoid Bioware vs. Rest debates, use language which is considered more mature (aka swearing). I personally tend to swear a lot when I'm frustrated, so am glad if I see my character express his/her frustrations in a similar manner. For instance a more renegade type of character would, in my humble opinion of course, be more likely to swear than a paragon character who would probably opt for more diplomatic language. However especially in the stressful situations we're bound to end up in, I can imagine my character yelling out an insult or two. 

 

 

I'm not necessarily arguing that Bioware is severely lacking in the mature language department, but I couldn't help but feel a great sense of joy when my Inquisitor asked whether 'things could stay (profanity removed, free warning point received) fixed for one second', which I didn't have that often in Bioware games. 

 

What do you guys think? Does swearing equal more mature language? Or should it be avoided?  

 

Endless and pointless cussing and swearing doesn't mean "mature. language" (what ever that means) it just means endless swearing and cussing sure some characters like Jack and Sera are potty mouths but that has more to do with their backgrounds and personalities but it does make them stand out (along with their overall look and their basic outfits) but that doesn't mean every character has to be. Sure having the PC dropping the f-word occasionally in moments of anger, shock, grief, or whatever works in the context of the PC being in a state where that would make sense or if the player RPGs the character to be a potty mouth. Bu having character swear every other word is just stupid and takes away the power from the swear words in general. I have no problem with the PC saying: "I'm going to kick your ass all the way to hell!" but saying something like "I'm going to kick your butt all the way to heck!" is stupid borderlining insulting my intelligence because Saying the F-word when a character is angry makes sense to me, or if I roleplay the character that way. If someone wants to roleplay their PC as a saint who never uses foul language, more power to them as long as others have to have the option to be real potty mouths.

 

I don't know if that is really feasible in any real way but if done right I have no problem with it.     



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In my view, words that are charged with racism, homophobia, etc like "sodding" evidently is are much worse than a casual f-bomb.


But you see, they might be talking about gardening. You can literally never be certain.
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Elhanan

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But you see, they might be talking about gardening. You can literally never be certain.


Or to leave; don't forget all those options....

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I once got a warning point for circumventing the filter when I self-censored a word that wasn't caught in the filter.

 

And I got a warning on my old account just for saying what Shinji needs to get in.

 



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FKA_Servo

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Or to leave; don't forget all those options....


We live in a world of uncertainty.

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I thought "sod" was just some fantasy/dwarven schtick. Like saying "Aye!" all the time.



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We live in a world of uncertainty.

 

That's right. **** the Qunari.

 

 

Wait. Different game. Nevermind.



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I'm fine with it. Kind of liked in Fallout 4. Given we're getting the dialogue wheel again I daresay it works with the aggressive/renegade personality.

I don't want the 'f' word out of every sentence (its not South Park Andromeda) but I few significant lines, especially when expressing anger or really dark sarcasm, would work well.

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To you perhaps, but the examples seem to leave a lot for interpretation.

 

The character said, "sod off." That means leave/leave me alone, and it's usage involves referencing the swear version of the word (as opposed to the dirt and grass version).  The word on it's own has a variety of definitions, but that phrase doesn't. 

 

I thought "sod" was just some fantasy/dwarven schtick. Like saying "Aye!" all the time.

 

 

But..."aye" isn't just a fantasy dwarven schtick either. Both of those are real world terms. 


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But that would also be a completely different argument. Saying "swearing can be overplayed" is very different from suggesting that developers have to hold back because some kid might get their hands on the game. That should never be the game developer's responsibility, regardless of previous posts trying to use it as a smokescreen to justify removing foul language. 

 

That aside, tolerances for flavor vary across the spectrum. Bioware games are relatively mild with their language. In keeping with your analogy, Pulp Fiction might be the equivalent of drowning your food with salt. But that also has its own huge appeal to certain fan groups, just judging by the film's overall popularity. 

 

The Big Lebowski features the F word 260 times during its 117 minute run time, for a rate of 2.22 F-bombs per minute (keep in mind, there's no improvised dialogue on a Coen brothers film, so all of those "f--ks" were really in the script).

 

Anyways, how much swearing to have in the game seems like a bad thing to have decided in advance of writing the script. The most sensible strategy, it seems to me, is to simply write the dialogue that is most natural for the characters and the setting, and then let the chips fall where they may as far as how much bad language ends up in the game. Or you could just replace all of the foul language with Shakespearean insults like "You saucy boy!" Either one works for me. :)


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The Big Lebowski features the F word 260 times during its 117 minute run time, for a rate of 2.22 F-bombs per minute (keep in mind, there's no improvised dialogue on a Coen brothers film, so all of those "f--ks" were really in the script).

 

Is there a count on how many White Russians were in the film? 


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Real people curse when its appropriate. No reason to exclude it.



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"You saucy boy!" Either one works for me. :)

 

That sounds like a cheesy flirt these days. That was once insulting?
 



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I have to say, when I still spoke German 100% of the time I swore barely ever. Now that I speak English most of the day I swear much more...

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Endless and pointless cussing and swearing doesn't mean "mature. language" (what ever that means) it just means endless swearing and cussing sure some characters like Jack and Sera are potty mouths but that has more to do with their backgrounds and personalities but it does make them stand out (along with their overall look and their basic outfits) but that doesn't mean every character has to be. Sure having the PC dropping the f-word occasionally in moments of anger, shock, grief, or whatever works in the context of the PC being in a state where that would make sense or if the player RPGs the character to be a potty mouth. Bu having character swear every other word is just stupid and takes away the power from the swear words in general. I have no problem with the PC saying: "I'm going to kick your ass all the way to hell!" but saying something like "I'm going to kick your butt all the way to heck!" is stupid borderlining insulting my intelligence because Saying the F-word when a character is angry makes sense to me, or if I roleplay the character that way. If someone wants to roleplay their PC as a saint who never uses foul language, more power to them as long as others have to have the option to be real potty mouths.

I don't know if that is really feasible in any real way but if done right I have no problem with it.

You have a point.

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Is there a count on how many White Russians were in the film? 

 

Sounds like a fun drinking game.

 

Knock a White Russian back every time The Dude has one. 


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Sounds like a fun drinking game.

 

Knock a White Russian back every time The Dude has one. 

 

Definitely not good, once you stand up. Those things creep on you.


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